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Snow Boarding Movie by Red Bull called "Art of Flight". Mountain snow boarding in Alaska, BC, Jackson Hole, Andes, and tip of south America. Your system will get a workout.

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Not only will your audio system get a workout , but your display will also get some of the best PQ I've ever seen.

Totally agree: And if you have purchased a Darbee Darblet, you will get an even better picture. That is my new go-to demo for friends. And crank it up when it starts for the Dolby Trailer !!

Damn, I'll bite, already have once but now I have to ask. I looked for it online and only found some weird seller through Amazon that sells this blu-ray. Where did you guys buy it?

Amazon http://www.amazon.com/V-A-S-Flight-Blu-ray-Brain-Farm/dp/B005R1F8SG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1349883900&sr=8-1&keywords=art+of+flight+blu+ray

Has anyone heard any update on the 240V version of the Submersive HP? Is it out yet?

 

Mark has been saying (Both here and on his own forum) that it is getting closer, but not quite there yet. I live in the US, but use 240VAC to power my Seatons. I also have waited since the introduction of the "HP"
Edited by calentz - 10/12/12 at 8:00am

I've owned and used 25 subwoofers in the past 6 years. MTX, Dayton kit 15", Hsu's w/MBM's, MFW-15's, ED 450's, Conquest, Empires, VMPS Larger subs, and finally settled on 3 Submersives. I was always looking for that just right bass SQ but it had to have some sophistocation to it. I got what I was looking for in the Submersive. Lot of bucks spent on this hobby, but what the hell. Being retired now what else can be so much fun then a HT hobby.

Bill,

I've followed your journey through many of those iterations of your system. In addition to all the subs you've tried, you also went through numerous EQ's and RC systems... all in search of the "perfect" sound. Congratulations on getting to the finish line!

Craig

Though much less thorough than you, I can certainly relate to the fact that one could have saved many $ by going to the final solution first.    But that is the process of education, and I don't regret the journey one bit.

I have not had quite that many but totally agree on your conclusion --- if there are better subs, I have not heard them!!

Do the submersives have any independent testing data available on them and if so how would they compare to say a velodyne dd 18 plus? I have read some of this thread and some very knowledgeable members love their submersives, but can not find any outdoor ground plane measurements.

Hi guys - been lurking here awhile trying to educate myself on the Submersive. I can use some help, though. My room is about 25 x 15, with both a doorway and an opening into a hallway. My current sub is an svs 20-39 pc+. My speakers are PSB Synchronys. Amp is a B&K 200.7 ref. The main speakers & screen are set up on the long wall and the sub is off to the left side of the room, just about parallel to where I watch/listen. It's really the only spot I can go with as far as sub placement goes.

Along with the sub, I'll buy a pre/pro with XT32, prob. the Integra 80.3. Do you guys think the Submersive would work well in my situation? What x-over freq would you guys go with? Being that the Submersive has no phase adj, is that done by the pre/pro?

TIA for any help!

Chris,

Chill out, dude.

I didn't get the impression that wonka1 was dissing the Submerive at all. It appeared he was just looking for some 3rd party verification that the SubM is everything we say it is. I think that is a legitimate question. Unfortunately, there is no positive answer that I'm aware of. I don't think Mark has ever had one independently tested. He's selling everything he can make right now and doesn't need "reviews" to increase sales.

BTW, outdoor, groundplane testing is a legitimate and very useful tool for evaluation of the *baseline* subwoofer performance. In-room tests of subwoofers are really just tests of the room. Outdoor GP tests take the room out of the equation and provide insight on the "baseline" capabilities of a subwoofer. They provide a level playing field for the comparison of subwoofer performance. Josh Ricci's Data-Bass http://www.data-bass.com/home is the best resource currently available for baseline comparisons of subwoofers. He measures every sub the same way, with multiple measures of performance, (i.e., frequency response, transient response, max output, power compression, distortion, etc.) Combined, all these measurements provide a overall picture of the performance envelope of a subwoofer, and, since they are performed the same way by the same tester, they can be used to compare the performance of one sub to another.

Back to wonka1's question about independent testing of the SubM... there have been several GTG's where multiple subs have been compared. These are in-room assessments, but the subs were all used in the same room, so at least that part of the testing was "leveled." The SubM's have always done exceptionally well at these GTG's. The most recent was this one: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1434901/northeast-october-20th-gtg-results-thread There are some measurements in that thread that may help with verification of the SubM's performance. However, I don't know of any direct comparison of the DD18+ to the SubM, so there is no way to answer your question.

Good luck, and let us know if we can help in your search.

Craig

TL5,

Welcome to the thread.

The SubM should work very well with those speakers and amp. It should provide more output and deeper extension than your current SVS sub.

The SubM works very well with Audyssey XT32. However, as with any subwoofer system, the ability to measure and verify the in-room response can help optimize the system. If you are going to invest in a SubM, (or any highly capable sub), I strongly suggest you acquire some measurement gear and invest the time and effort into learning how to use it.

As to the crossover frequency, that should be determined after running Audyssey XT32 and then measuring the response. There is no good way to predict the crossover frequency. Also, your listening habits will come into play. Once you get a SubM, your speakers and amp will be the limiting factor(s) for maximum output. You can increase the system headroom by using a higher crossover, and handing more of the bass duties to the more-capable SubM. However, at some point subwoofer localization comes into play. So there is a tradeoff a between a higher crossover point and higher system capability.

Good luck, and let us know if you have other questions.

Craig

As the super- villain of the Seaton Sound world at the moment, I figured I'd stop in and offer my two cents:

Craig, I appreciate this measured response (pardon the pun). While I might come off as far more of a pr*ck saying it, in the end, this is all I'm trying to get out there. I hope (and have faith) that Mark is a man of his word, and that when the time is right from a business perspective for him, he will send his subs in for review. Hopefully this more moderated post meets with less venom than what was typing last night.

Cheers gents.

Steve,


I think the basic problem is that subwoofer testing is usually done outdoors with no reflective surfaces which puts any dual opposed subwoofer at a distinct disadvantage. So there's no good reason someone building dual opposed subs would want published test.

But put the submersive in a room with walls and a ceiling and you have an exceptionally good sounding subwoofer.

Until test become real world "in room testing", you're not likely to see test results from any company that builds dual opposed driver subs.

Hi Jim,

I appreciate the response. I understand that a dual opposed subwoofer isn't quite as straight forward to measure as a conventional sub. Still, a Submersive wouldn't be the first subwoofer of that design for Josh to have reviewed and measured. He did put up measurements of the Epik Empire (with a compensation factor built in for the dual opposed design), and I'm unaware of any problems Chad had with the results (doesn't hurt that for the $$$, it puts up stellar measurements).

Edit: I mean, if conservatively, the SubM puts up an additional 6dB over the Epik over the measured bandwidth (just based on 4x the power with the drivers to take it), that puts it in pretty darned elite company...
Edited by Steve1981 - 10/28/12 at 1:20pm

Jim,

Josh Ricci has done some measurements on "opposed" subs. He's measured the Epic Empire and the Paradigm Signature Sub2, (which is triple opposed.) Here's an article he wrote on how to compensate for subs that don't have all the drivers on the front surface: http://www.data-bass.com/data?page=content&id=77

Craig
Edited by craig john - 10/28/12 at 2:01pm

Perhaps he can submit the F2 instead of regular Subm HP to avoid dual opposed measurement issues?

I am in no way dishing the submersive, thanks Craig. What amazes me is the number of owners who have switched from high pedigree, more expensive subs to a sub m and the submersive consistently comes out on top. In regards to the dual driver argument, simply submit the gorgeous f2 for review, as Mark has stated their performance is the same.

http://www.seaton-sound-forum.com/post/SubMersive-F2-The-same-but-different...-5509423?trail=100

Beat me to it!

@craig...

did i post something i don't remember posting? or was that a different chris?

No it was me and since it was not helpful I deleted it,
Sorry about that Wonka1
Chris

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ah, ok... just wanted to make sure i wasn't posting while intoxicated...

^ ^ ^ old age?

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lol... that is always possible...

Speaking of the F2, has anyone gone from a submersive HP to an F2?

If so....could you tell much difference from 80-120hz?

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someone at the recent northeast gtg had one...

iirc, mark indicated that the frequency response was the same...

I was there at the GTG when they had the two submersive hp and the F2 which was in the middle of the two. You could not tell there was any difference in sound. All three sounded like one sub and boy did they put out some serious clean tight bass.