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post #7261 of 8058
10/31/12 at 5:07pm
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Originally Posted by edoggrc51 View Post

So did you end up buying a Submersive??

Not yet, need to pay off the credit card, take care of dental and then the SubMersive becomes mine. smile.gif
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post #7262 of 8058
10/31/12 at 5:17pm
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A 15A circuit, running two subs being driven hard, will draw 1,600W.

By coincidence I called Mark today about adding a second HP and what it would do to the power draw. The answer is, "it depends."

If a single HP is producing 110dB and drawing 800W, adding a second HP and maintaining that same 110dB will actually make the HPs more efficient and you will end up drawing a bit less than 800W. If you use the second HP to increase volume to 116dB then you will double the power draw to 1600W. This is assuming a perfect theoretical model.

In my case I have enough volume so I would not be looking to increase the dBs and could easily add a second HP (or more) to the same circuit as the first. Your case may be different but without more details one does not know. IOW you are not being anal enough! smile.gif
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post #7263 of 8058
10/31/12 at 5:21pm
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

Not yet, need to pay off the credit card, take care of dental and then the SubMersive becomes mine. smile.gif
Very nice!

The SubM or an S2 would be at the top of my list if I was looking for a ready built sub. Im sure you wont be disapointed!
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post #7264 of 8058
10/31/12 at 5:35pm
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

A 15A circuit, running two subs being driven hard, will draw 1,600W. Considering a 15A circuit is capable of providing 1,800W, when an AVR which is also being driven hard at ~350W along with 60" LCD television and Comcast provided DVR, will easily exceeding the 15A circuit limit. Now the internal wires start heating up and I don't wish to have to explain to family, friends or insurance company why I chose to overload a circuit when I knew better. The point, one may call me deserved names but I'm not going burn our house down because I didn't want to take the time to find out what's what with what.
Someone should explain to BeeMan458 how a circuit breaker works. I'd do it, but I'm on ignore.
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post #7265 of 8058
10/31/12 at 5:53pm
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Originally Posted by GGA View Post

IOW you are not being anal enough! smile.gif

Yes, you got me on the 6dB technicality which will reduce amplifier demand. Good catch. Of course you did remember to adjust your numbers for the distance from the subwoofer to the main listening position as opposed to standard readings taken at 1m. We have a 3dB drop between one meter readings and main listening position readings.

In the end, one only needs to be anal enough to prevent problems and not a farthing more.
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post #7266 of 8058
11/1/12 at 6:30am
Sorry my non answer was not helpful. But glad you got it all worked out smile.gif.
Edited by MIkeDuke - 11/1/12 at 6:42am
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post #7267 of 8058
11/1/12 at 8:14am
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Originally Posted by MIkeDuke View Post

Sorry my non answer was not helpful. But glad you got it all worked out smile.gif.
Don't worry, after all that gnashing of teeth and wailing he's not actually going to buy one.
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post #7268 of 8058
11/1/12 at 8:34am
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Originally Posted by Stereodude View Post

Don't worry, after all that gnashing of teeth and wailing he's not actually going to buy one.
Then and only then will he truly understand what it feels like to be "Submersified"
Chris
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post #7269 of 8058
11/1/12 at 8:56am
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Originally Posted by Stereodude View Post

Don't worry, after all that gnashing of teeth and wailing he's not actually going to buy one.

He was probably never going to buy one. We have a name for them in my business. His loss!!
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post #7270 of 8058
11/1/12 at 9:02am
I re-arranged my front Submersives last night and put them in the front corners. My corners are treated with corner bass traps (Gik sofit traps) and I didn't think that it would make much of a difference with the bass. Boy was I wrong! I thought that the seat vibrated before, now it rocks.
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post #7271 of 8058
11/1/12 at 10:32am
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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

I re-arranged my front Submersives last night and put them in the front corners. My corners are treated with corner bass traps (Gik sofit traps) and I didn't think that it would make much of a difference with the bass. Boy was I wrong! I thought that the seat vibrated before, now it rocks.
So you put one in one corner and one in the other? How did you have them before. Glad a little movement made such a difference.
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post #7272 of 8058
11/1/12 at 1:09pm
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Originally Posted by MIkeDuke View Post

So you put one in one corner and one in the other? How did you have them before. Glad a little movement made such a difference.

Had them against the wall about 1/3 length from the front with the 3rd sub against the rear wall centered (still there).
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post #7273 of 8058
11/2/12 at 2:30am
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Originally Posted by audioguy View Post

He was probably never going to buy one. We have a name for them in my business. His loss!!

And I have names for people who play backstabbing rumor monger games while people are on vacation. And businesses who disrespect customers, especially in these economic times, go out of business. Don't be quick to bad mouth customers as there are too many other businesses out there who do respect potential customers. Care to say what your business affiliation is and what the name is you have for these customers so in advance, potential customers know what you think of them? If you're going be public about what you think about your customers, be bold and be open as to what you think of them.

You guys never stop with the digging and drama. I'm on vacation in the Sierra high country. I check in to see what's what with you guys, just in time to see more immature sniping. Good for you guys. Lake Tahoe, shrouded in it's storm mantle was a visual delight and the Fall Sierra-Nevada colors, with snow dusted peaks are absolutely stunning. Stopped in at 8,400' to say hi to Bodie, California.

And for the record, I have already stated, I have dental work to pay for and need to knock the credit card down (between the dental and the card, about $8.5k worth) and then I can step up and buy a Rosenut HP with an eye on a second one. It would be nice to receive the subwoofer without an uncalled for layer of hate attached. Until I return from vacation, can you guys see if you can keep the uncalled for back biting under control. If just so this forum can represent maturity of interaction? And if you can't hold it together, at least hold off on the backstabbing until I come off vacation. I understand, some people can only feel good about themselves by putting other people down.

From Bridgeport, CA, it's South, down Hwy 395 to Yuma, AZ and then out to the California Central Coast in Cambria. The point, life is too short to waste on childish backstabbing drama. People get fired from good paying jobs for far less than what is posted on these pages. A suggestion guys, to those my comments apply to, grow up and try being nice.

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 11/2/12 at 2:55am
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post #7274 of 8058
11/2/12 at 4:37am
All those wasted posts when "just letting it go" is an option too.
Beeman
Getting the last word in(or post) is not as important as your familys vacation so
enjoy and take things with a grain of salt. If you do end up owning a Subm HP oneday you will
understand why "words are wasted" when trying to explain the "Submersive experience".
Not responding to posts that fire you up is not the same as "backing down" . It becomes a case of
"it is not what you say but what you do."
GoodLuck and BEE careful while driving
Chris
Edited by countryWV - 11/2/12 at 6:27am
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post #7275 of 8058
11/2/12 at 4:52am
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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

I re-arranged my front Submersives last night and put them in the front corners. My corners are treated with corner bass traps (Gik sofit traps) and I didn't think that it would make much of a difference with the bass. Boy was I wrong! I thought that the seat vibrated before, now it rocks.

proving that room modes can be your friend... smile.gif
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post #7276 of 8058
11/2/12 at 7:12am
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

proving that room modes can be your friend... smile.gif

. . . and the spl went up by 6+ db.
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post #7277 of 8058
11/2/12 at 7:22am
^^^

yea, not surprising after you corner loaded the subs... smile.gif
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post #7278 of 8058
11/2/12 at 8:38am
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^
yea, not surprising after you corner loaded the subs... smile.gif

Now if I got another submersive and stacked them 2 high in each front corner . . .
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post #7279 of 8058
11/3/12 at 4:40am
^^^

hey, you told us you were "done"... tongue.gif
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post #7280 of 8058
11/3/12 at 5:27am
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^
hey, you told us you were "done"... tongue.gif

All "ahoilcs" say that !!
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post #7281 of 8058
11/3/12 at 6:12am
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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

. . . and the spl went up by 6+ db.

Bill,

What RC or EQ are you currently using? Did you re-run it after you moved the subs? If so, the SPL should not have changed. It should have been re-calibrated to the same level. The benefit of corner loading, (with recalibration), is an increase in system headroom. If you kept the levels the same as they were before, you're no longer calibrated properly. If that's what you want, that's fine. Just realize it's not the "correct" calibration.

Craig
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post #7282 of 8058
11/3/12 at 7:28am
^^^

i assumed that was a "raw" measurement, re: spl... but i shouldn't do that...

iirc, he's using an antimode... it wouldn't be surprising (correct me if i'm wrong, you know a lot more about this than i do) that corner loading the subs is giving the antimode a "better" spot to work from... possibly giving him better response in the area givin him the tactile sensation...

just a guess... if has graphs, it would eliminate the guess... smile.gif
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post #7283 of 8058
11/3/12 at 12:14pm
Raw measurement with spl meter at the seat and I do use the Anti Mode 8033S.
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post #7284 of 8058
11/7/12 at 1:56pm
Been a long time since Ive visited this thread. My first gen subM is still doing great! Watched War Horse yesterday and the hoofbeats and cannon fire were awesome. I did get one clipping instance in a particular loud thump scene, maybe I should get the upgraded amp!
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post #7285 of 8058
11/8/12 at 6:50am
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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

Now if I got another submersive and stacked them 2 high in each front corner . . .

^^Sounds like a good candidate to beta-test a Terraform XL...
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post #7286 of 8058
11/12/12 at 1:18pm
I re-arranged my subs a bit and the drivers are pretty close to the wall - 3.5 inches. Is that enough room between the driver and the wall?

thanks
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post #7287 of 8058
11/12/12 at 1:46pm
That's what I have mine and it's


tony-the-tiger---frosties.jpg
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post #7288 of 8058
11/12/12 at 1:50pm
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

I re-arranged my subs a bit and the drivers are pretty close to the wall - 3.5 inches. Is that enough room between the driver and the wall?
thanks
That's probably a tad close. I'd move it off another inch or so.
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post #7289 of 8058
11/12/12 at 1:51pm
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

I re-arranged my subs a bit and the drivers are pretty close to the wall - 3.5 inches. Is that enough room between the driver and the wall?

thanks

iirc, mark said 3 inches minmum is good... so you should be good to go... smile.gif
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post #7290 of 8058
11/12/12 at 1:56pm
^^^ Yep..You're right.
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Originally Posted by Mark Seaton View Post

You only need about 3" from the face of the driver to the wall for spacing. You can gain another 5/8" if you remove the grill. In my own system I usually have the amplifier facing the side wall with the long 24" dimension of the footprint running front-back. Also remember that in many homes you will have >1/2" for a baseboard or molding at the floor line, and you only need that 2.5-3" from the wall. The twist-locking (PowerCon) power connection and XLR connector protrude 2" from the box.

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