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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

My first post in this thread, which I have read all the way through (phew!). I currently have two Submersive F2s sitting in a UK Customs shed at the airport waiting 'clearance'. They've been there since last Thursday. As you can imagine, my excitement and frustration are in perfect balance right now wink.gif As soon as they arrive and have been integrated into my system I will post my impressions here (along with any questions I have of course). I also have the OmniMic so I will be able to make and post some measurements once I am dialed in properly.

Other gear is Onkyo 5509 prepro, MK S150s, M&K SS150 Tripoles, M&K LCR 55 (height channels), and plenty of external amp power from Emotiva XPA-3 for LCR and 2 x UPA-2 for surround and heights. My old subs are 2 x SVS PC12-NSDs so I am going to get a significant upgrade in performance from the F2s. Why the F2?  For the smaller footprint - my HT room is *small* - smaller even than Mike Duke's (thanks Mike for all your encouragement and advice to others in this thread) so floor space is at a premium. I also 'only' have the 1000 watt amps as UK voltage is 230-240v, but in my room I don't expect to have headroom issues with two F2s smile.gif  Oh yes, I have also extensively treated the room with bass traps in 8 of the 12 corners.

I'll report back when I have some positive news... Customs-willing.

Congrats !!!!!! I would like to see a pic of the look on your face once you hear them. biggrin.gif
That would be a first. wink.gif
post #7292 of 9384
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Originally Posted by Ashi777 View Post

Hey guys,

I was wondering what is the connection type for the original 1000 watt ICEamp for the Submersive?
I currently have a Belkin subwoofer cable. It goes into one of the left right slots in polk sub which I have at the moment. Is this the slot that the submersive uses?


Hope someone can help me with this!


Thanks!
Ash

the subm uses an xlr connection... mark includes a rca to xlr conversin cable with the sub, you'll connect your existing cable to that and you'll be good to go... smile.gif
post #7293 of 9384
hey keith, welcome to submersive land... smile.gif good to see you in here...
post #7294 of 9384
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Originally Posted by mphfrom77 View Post

Congrats! What finish did you get? You might have to posts some pics, regardless of finish. I look forward to your future contributions in this thread.

Thanks!  I got the black maple as this will match my existing speakers well. I will post some pics if possible along with my report.

post #7295 of 9384
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

My first post in this thread, which I have read all the way through (phew!). I currently have two Submersive F2s sitting in a UK Customs shed at the airport waiting 'clearance'. They've been there since last Thursday. As you can imagine, my excitement and frustration are in perfect balance right now wink.gif As soon as they arrive and have been integrated into my system I will post my impressions here (along with any questions I have of course). I also have the OmniMic so I will be able to make and post some measurements once I am dialed in properly.

Other gear is Onkyo 5509 prepro, MK S150s, M&K SS150 Tripoles, M&K LCR 55 (height channels), and plenty of external amp power from Emotiva XPA-3 for LCR and 2 x UPA-2 for surround and heights. My old subs are 2 x SVS PC12-NSDs so I am going to get a significant upgrade in performance from the F2s. Why the F2?  For the smaller footprint - my HT room is *small* - smaller even than Mike Duke's (thanks Mike for all your encouragement and advice to others in this thread) so floor space is at a premium. I also 'only' have the 1000 watt amps as UK voltage is 230-240v, but in my room I don't expect to have headroom issues with two F2s smile.gif  Oh yes, I have also extensively treated the room with bass traps in 8 of the 12 corners.

I'll report back when I have some positive news... Customs-willing.

Congrats !!!!!! I would like to see a pic of the look on your face once you hear them. biggrin.gif
That would be a first. wink.gif

 

LOL!  Thanks! Is it possible to take a picture of someone's jaw hitting the floor with an iPhone camera?  :)

post #7296 of 9384
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

hey keith, welcome to submersive land... smile.gif good to see you in here...

Thanks Chris - it is good to be here! I don't think I have ever been so excited with anticipation wrt to any other HT component I have ever had! I have still to read just one negative comment about the SubM... the enthusiasm that comes across in this lengthy thread is palpable.

post #7297 of 9384
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post


[My old subs are 2 x SVS PC12-NSDs so I am going to get a significant upgrade in performance from the F2s.

You are going to have a brain aneurism. About 4 years ago, I went from two Velodyne DD-18's PLUS two SVS PC-13's to two SubMersives (1000 watt version) in a room three times the size of yours and I still can't get the smile off my face. (I since upgraded the amps and bought two more only because I could not stand the lack of symmetry). I can assure you that you have not EVER heard bass in your room.
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I also 'only' have the 1000 watt amps as UK voltage is 230-240v, but in my room I don't expect to have headroom issues with two F2s smile.gif  Oh yes, I have also extensively treated the room with bass traps in 8 of the 12 corners.

As noted above, I had two of the 1000 watt amp subs in 3800 cubic feet and never caused clipping so you will be way more than OK.
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I'll report back when I have some positive news... Customs-willing.

Can't wait to hear your comments. With room treatments, dual F2's and Audyssey X32 and Audyssey Pro, you will be absolutely blown away.
post #7298 of 9384
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

Thanks Chris - it is good to be here! I don't think I have ever been so excited with anticipation wrt to any other HT component I have ever had! I have still to read just one negative comment about the SubM... the enthusiasm that comes across in this lengthy thread is palpable.

I will provide one negative comment: The darn things are addictive. On the positive side, I will tell you that adding the SubMersives provided the highest fun factor and greatest improvement in my home theater in the 20 years that I have had one.
post #7299 of 9384
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Originally Posted by audioguy View Post

I will provide one negative comment:

Your above comment reminds me of this ditty.

(Ignore the forced commercial and paraphrase the words to equate to one's love (Joie de vivre) for the sexiness associated with bass and subwoofers.)

John Mellencamp: "Hurts So Good."

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 11/13/12 at 7:19am
post #7300 of 9384
Originally Posted by audioguy View Post

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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post


[My old subs are 2 x SVS PC12-NSDs so I am going to get a significant upgrade in performance from the F2s.

You are going to have a brain aneurism. About 4 years ago, I went from two Velodyne DD-18's PLUS two SVS PC-13's to two SubMersives (1000 watt version) in a room three times the size of yours and I still can't get the smile off my face. (I since upgraded the amps and bought two more only because I could not stand the lack of symmetry). I can assure you that you have not EVER heard bass in your room.

 

 

LOL!  I am sure you are right!

 

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As noted above, I had two of the 1000 watt amp subs in 3800 cubic feet and never caused clipping so you will be way more than OK.
 

 

 

Yes, thanks. I did think it might be overkill, but then came to the conclusion that you can never have too much of a good thing. And I do like the various benefits dual subs bring.

 

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Can't wait to hear your comments. With room treatments, dual F2's and Audyssey X32 and Audyssey Pro, you will be absolutely blown away.

 

 

Thanks again!  I am soooooooooo looking forward to them arriving. :)
post #7301 of 9384
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Originally Posted by audioguy View Post

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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

Thanks Chris - it is good to be here! I don't think I have ever been so excited with anticipation wrt to any other HT component I have ever had! I have still to read just one negative comment about the SubM... the enthusiasm that comes across in this lengthy thread is palpable.

I will provide one negative comment: The darn things are addictive. On the positive side, I will tell you that adding the SubMersives provided the highest fun factor and greatest improvement in my home theater in the 20 years that I have had one.

 

I'm anticipating the same. I also like having that nice feeling that I will never need to upgrade my subs again. I can’t go the route of adding more F2s even if it made sense - there just ain't any space for more!

post #7302 of 9384
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

I can’t go the route of adding more F2s even if it made sense - there just ain't any space for more!

WRONG!! There is ALWAYS ROOM FOR MORE. If you have an eight foot ceiling, you can stack three together and have 6 of them. You can never have too much woofage !!
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Originally Posted by audioguy View Post

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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

I can’t go the route of adding more F2s even if it made sense - there just ain't any space for more!

WRONG!! There is ALWAYS ROOM FOR MORE. If you have an eight foot ceiling, you can stack three together and have 6 of them. You can never have too much woofage !!


Hahaha. Good point in fact. I was forgetting I can turn the F2s on their sides.... hmmm.... that makes one about 20 inches high.... 96 divided by 20 - FOUR high!  Each side of the room - that'll be EIGHT then....  The French have experimented with using sound as a military weapon... I wonder if Mark is aware of that? :)

 

'You can never have too much woofage' ought to be a bumper sticker :)

post #7304 of 9384
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Originally Posted by audioguy View Post

You can never have too much woofage !!

That is great, thanks for making my day!! smile.gif
post #7305 of 9384
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

My first post in this thread, which I have read all the way through (phew!). I currently have two Submersive F2s sitting in a UK Customs shed at the airport waiting 'clearance'. ....
A purchase you'll never regret. Enjoy! smile.gif
post #7306 of 9384
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

My first post in this thread, which I have read all the way through (phew!). I currently have two Submersive F2s sitting in a UK Customs shed at the airport waiting 'clearance'. ....
A purchase you'll never regret. Enjoy! smile.gif

 

Thanks, to you and everyone, for the warm welcome into the thread and for the good wishes. I just know I am taking my small HT to the next, and probably ultimate, level now.

post #7307 of 9384
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

Thanks, to you and everyone, for the warm welcome into the thread and for the good wishes. I just know I am taking my small HT to the next, and probably ultimate, level now.

Wow, 2 F2's. Sounds like you have taken Marks signature line to heart. Congratulations and don't even give those Catalysts a thought as new LCR"S to match up with your F2's ...biggrin.gif;)
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

My first post in this thread, which I have read all the way through (phew!). I currently have two Submersive F2s sitting in a UK Customs shed at the airport waiting 'clearance'. They've been there since last Thursday. As you can imagine, my excitement and frustration are in perfect balance right now wink.gif As soon as they arrive and have been integrated into my system I will post my impressions here (along with any questions I have of course). I also have the OmniMic so I will be able to make and post some measurements once I am dialed in properly.

Other gear is Onkyo 5509 prepro, MK S150s, M&K SS150 Tripoles, M&K LCR 55 (height channels), and plenty of external amp power from Emotiva XPA-3 for LCR and 2 x UPA-2 for surround and heights. My old subs are 2 x SVS PC12-NSDs so I am going to get a significant upgrade in performance from the F2s. Why the F2?  For the smaller footprint - my HT room is *small* - smaller even than Mike Duke's (thanks Mike for all your encouragement and advice to others in this thread) so floor space is at a premium. I also 'only' have the 1000 watt amps as UK voltage is 230-240v, but in my room I don't expect to have headroom issues with two F2s smile.gif  Oh yes, I have also extensively treated the room with bass traps in 8 of the 12 corners.

I'll report back when I have some positive news... Customs-willing.

As a fellow dual F2 owner, I bid thee welcome to the Submersive F2 family! I must warn you that your teeth (and other bones) WILL rattle with ULF!!!
post #7309 of 9384
quick question: how well does the subM HP perform when crossed at, say, 100 or 110 hz?
post #7310 of 9384
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

Thanks, to you and everyone, for the warm welcome into the thread and for the good wishes. I just know I am taking my small HT to the next, and probably ultimate, level now.

Wow, 2 F2's. Sounds like you have taken Marks signature line to heart. Congratulations and don't even give those Catalysts a thought as new LCR"S to match up with your F2's ...biggrin.gif;)

 

:)  Thanks. Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on how you look at it) the Catalysts really are just too big to physically accommodate in my room.... otherwise.... 

post #7311 of 9384
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Originally Posted by Vincent Kompany View Post

quick question: how well does the subM HP perform when crossed at, say, 100 or 110 hz?

 

Mark has actually recommended that, measurements etc willing, I cross over my F2s at 100 Hz or 120Hz - this is to LCR set of MK S150s. I'll have to take the actual in-room performance into account of course but I am hoping that I get a flattish response in the XO region with 100Hz - I am sure the articulation and other terrific characteristics of the SubMs will reward me with that sort of XO. I will also try 120Hz per Mark's suggestion. Measurements and listening will then guide me.

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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

My first post in this thread, which I have read all the way through (phew!). I currently have two Submersive F2s sitting in a UK Customs shed at the airport waiting 'clearance'. They've been there since last Thursday. As you can imagine, my excitement and frustration are in perfect balance right now wink.gif As soon as they arrive and have been integrated into my system I will post my impressions here (along with any questions I have of course). I also have the OmniMic so I will be able to make and post some measurements once I am dialed in properly.

Other gear is Onkyo 5509 prepro, MK S150s, M&K SS150 Tripoles, M&K LCR 55 (height channels), and plenty of external amp power from Emotiva XPA-3 for LCR and 2 x UPA-2 for surround and heights. My old subs are 2 x SVS PC12-NSDs so I am going to get a significant upgrade in performance from the F2s. Why the F2?  For the smaller footprint - my HT room is *small* - smaller even than Mike Duke's (thanks Mike for all your encouragement and advice to others in this thread) so floor space is at a premium. I also 'only' have the 1000 watt amps as UK voltage is 230-240v, but in my room I don't expect to have headroom issues with two F2s smile.gif  Oh yes, I have also extensively treated the room with bass traps in 8 of the 12 corners.

I'll report back when I have some positive news... Customs-willing.

As a fellow dual F2 owner, I bid thee welcome to the Submersive F2 family! I must warn you that your teeth (and other bones) WILL rattle with ULF!!!

 

Thanks Brolic!  I have followed your comments and review of the F2s closely and also watched your videos on YouTube - your experience and enthusiasm with the F2s was partly responsible for my decision to go that way. I will surely keep you posted! :)

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Originally Posted by classicrecording View Post

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Originally Posted by audioguy View Post

You can never have too much woofage !!

That is great, thanks for making my day!! smile.gif

 

I might get this slogan printed on a T-shirt :)

post #7314 of 9384
Quick question about the F2. If you put it on its side, can you place a speaker, lets say a center channel on top of it? Would it move or rattle or anything? The center in question is the Paradigm Studio CC690 which does have rubber feet, if that matters. Will it affect the bass or midrange coming out of the center channel?

Thanks!
post #7315 of 9384
^^^

dunno about the f2, but the original submersive is INERT... i'd hazard a guess that mark wouldn't let the f2 out the door if there were vibration issues...

now, whether or not the sub will "like" it in that position remains to be seen...
post #7316 of 9384
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

My first post in this thread, which I have read all the way through (phew!). I currently have two Submersive F2s sitting in a UK Customs shed at the airport waiting 'clearance'. They've been there since last Thursday. As you can imagine, my excitement and frustration are in perfect balance right now wink.gif As soon as they arrive and have been integrated into my system I will post my impressions here (along with any questions I have of course). I also have the OmniMic so I will be able to make and post some measurements once I am dialed in properly.

Other gear is Onkyo 5509 prepro, MK S150s, M&K SS150 Tripoles, M&K LCR 55 (height channels), and plenty of external amp power from Emotiva XPA-3 for LCR and 2 x UPA-2 for surround and heights. My old subs are 2 x SVS PC12-NSDs so I am going to get a significant upgrade in performance from the F2s. Why the F2?  For the smaller footprint - my HT room is *small* - smaller even than Mike Duke's (thanks Mike for all your encouragement and advice to others in this thread) so floor space is at a premium. I also 'only' have the 1000 watt amps as UK voltage is 230-240v, but in my room I don't expect to have headroom issues with two F2s smile.gif  Oh yes, I have also extensively treated the room with bass traps in 8 of the 12 corners.

I'll report back when I have some positive news... Customs-willing.
Congrats. No problem with the advice. Glad I could help smile.gif. I am looking forward to hearing your thoughts when you get them setup. I still think it's cool that you put dual subs in a room that's smaller than mine biggrin.gif. It should make for quite the bass experience. You have some great gear there so I am sure the whole thing will sound really nice. Hopefully customs won't be too bad. Again, glad I could help and I look forward to reading your thoughts.
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Originally Posted by 04rex View Post

Quick question about the F2. If you put it on its side, can you place a speaker, lets say a center channel on top of it? Would it move or rattle or anything? The center in question is the Paradigm Studio CC690 which does have rubber feet, if that matters. Will it affect the bass or midrange coming out of the center channel?
Thanks!
From what I know, the sub should be pretty inert, I don't think you would have any issues placing a speaker on to of it. I am not sure if it is still up, but I think way back in the beginning of this thread there was a video of a quarter placed on its edge while the SubMersive was playing the pod scene from Star Wars EP 1. The quarter did not even move. So I would say that it's probably safe to say that the F2 would be close to that knowing Mark
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

My first post in this thread, which I have read all the way through (phew!). I currently have two Submersive F2s sitting in a UK Customs shed at the airport waiting 'clearance'. They've been there since last Thursday. As you can imagine, my excitement and frustration are in perfect balance right now wink.gif As soon as they arrive and have been integrated into my system I will post my impressions here (along with any questions I have of course). I also have the OmniMic so I will be able to make and post some measurements once I am dialed in properly.

Other gear is Onkyo 5509 prepro, MK S150s, M&K SS150 Tripoles, M&K LCR 55 (height channels), and plenty of external amp power from Emotiva XPA-3 for LCR and 2 x UPA-2 for surround and heights. My old subs are 2 x SVS PC12-NSDs so I am going to get a significant upgrade in performance from the F2s. Why the F2?  For the smaller footprint - my HT room is *small* - smaller even than Mike Duke's (thanks Mike for all your encouragement and advice to others in this thread) so floor space is at a premium. I also 'only' have the 1000 watt amps as UK voltage is 230-240v, but in my room I don't expect to have headroom issues with two F2s smile.gif  Oh yes, I have also extensively treated the room with bass traps in 8 of the 12 corners.

I'll report back when I have some positive news... Customs-willing.
Congrats. No problem with the advice. Glad I could help smile.gif. I am looking forward to hearing your thoughts when you get them setup. I still think it's cool that you put dual subs in a room that's smaller than mine biggrin.gif. It should make for quite the bass experience. You have some great gear there so I am sure the whole thing will sound really nice. Hopefully customs won't be too bad. Again, glad I could help and I look forward to reading your thoughts.

 

Thanks Mike. I am a big fan of dual subs - not specially for the greater output they might deliver, but for the smoothing of the response and the better seat-to-seat variance. Equally I am pretty sure that I would have been happy with just one in my room, but I always say that if a thing is worth doing, it's worth doing to excess :)

 

And of course, you can never have too much woofage :)

post #7319 of 9384
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

the subm uses an xlr connection... mark includes a rca to xlr conversin cable with the sub, you'll connect your existing cable to that and you'll be good to go... smile.gif

Hey there,


Thank you very much for the reply,

Since It is converting the signal, will that mean a loss of any kind whilst using that adapter?


Thanks!
Ash
post #7320 of 9384
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

Thanks Mike. I am a big fan of dual subs - not specially for the greater output they might deliver, but for the smoothing of the response and the better seat-to-seat variance. Equally I am pretty sure that I would have been happy with just one in my room, but I always say that if a thing is worth doing, it's worth doing to excess smile.gif

And of course, you can never have too much woofage smile.gif
I agree with your logic there. For me, one is plenty and I am able to get a really good response curve with just one. I guess I am just lucky.
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