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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

the subm uses an xlr connection... mark includes a rca to xlr conversin cable with the sub, you'll connect your existing cable to that and you'll be good to go... smile.gif

Hey there,


Thank you very much for the reply,

Since It is converting the signal, will that mean a loss of any kind whilst using that adapter?


Thanks!
Ash

nope... you are good to go...
post #7322 of 9378
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^^^
dunno about the f2, but the original submersive is INERT... i'd hazard a guess that mark wouldn't let the f2 out the door if there were vibration issues...
now, whether or not the sub will "like" it in that position remains to be seen...

Hey, what do you mean "like it"? I think I read somewhere that Mark said it could be placed on its side, if that is what you mean.

I like the look and size of the F2 better. Plus, I like front firing (I know I doesn't matter, but I just like it better))
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Quick question about the F2. If you put it on its side, can you place a speaker, lets say a center channel on top of it? Would it move or rattle or anything? The center in question is the Paradigm Studio CC690 which does have rubber feet, if that matters. Will it affect the bass or midrange coming out of the center channel?

Thanks!

I believe ironhead' here is doing exactly this with his red cherry CAT-8C on top of the SubMersive F2. While not as perfectly inert as the original SubMersive's opposed drivers, the cabinet is very rigid and plenty safe so long as some form of rubber feet or pad is under the center channel so it can't slide. We can also provide a rubber pad like what we use on the top of the stands if needed. The only consideration is that with the 4" chamfered back of the SubMersive F2 and 1.25" front chamfer you are left with a 9.75" deep flat surface. You can see detailed dimensions here.

You can remove the feet and the screws sink back in flush into the bottom, or we can build them to order without feet, although simply removing the feet makes it more flexible and easier for resale if you end up changing anything down the road.
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quick question: how well does the subM HP perform when crossed at, say, 100 or 110 hz?

For a lot of my music I cross at 150hz and the Submersives sound awesome this way! Tons of chest feel from the kick drum. I also cross at 100 a lot too, and for movies I always use 100.

For me that's one of the areas that the Submersive really shines is the upper mid-bass. Seriously, this sub has no weaknesses.
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Originally Posted by Vincent Kompany View Post

quick question: how well does the subM HP perform when crossed at, say, 100 or 110 hz?

For a lot of my music I cross at 150hz and the Submersives sound awesome this way! Tons of chest feel from the kick drum. I also cross at 100 a lot too, and for movies I always use 100.

For me that's one of the areas that the Submersive really shines is the upper mid-bass. Seriously, this sub has no weaknesses.

 

Every post I read makes me want my F2s even more... darned Customs - what do these guys do all day! ;)

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darned Customs - what do these guys do all day! wink.gif

You better hope it's not what you do all day! wink.gif
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A little late to the party but Welcome to Seatonaholics Anonymous Keith! Yeah, with those puppies set up and the bass data for fodder, you might not come out of that room for a while!


Max
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For all the overseas customers of Mark hopefully you will get a better customer service than what I got (http://www.seaton-sound-forum.com/post/Poor-Customer-Service-6045988 )!! It's a pity his customer service is not as great as the products he designs.
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A little late to the party but Welcome to Seatonaholics Anonymous Keith! Yeah, with those puppies set up and the bass data for fodder, you might not come out of that room for a while!


Max

Thanks Max!  :)  I have chased Fedex today to see if they can prise the things out of the hands of the Customs dudes. They've been stuck there for a week now. Maybe they have set them up in their 100,000 cubic feet warehouse to see if what they’ve read about them is true?  :)

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A little late to the party but Welcome to Seatonaholics Anonymous Keith! Yeah, with those puppies set up and the bass data for fodder, you might not come out of that room for a while!

Max
Thanks Max!  smile.gif  I have chased Fedex today to see if they can prise the things out of the hands of the Customs dudes. They've been stuck there for a week now. Maybe they have set them up in their 100,000 cubic feet warehouse to see if what they’ve read about them is true?  smile.gif

Hi kbarnes',

We'll make a call and see if we can give them a nudge from this side as well.
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Originally Posted by rockydj View Post

For all the overseas customers of Mark hopefully you will get a better customer service than what I got (http://www.seaton-sound-forum.com/post/Poor-Customer-Service-6045988 )!! It's a pity his customer service is not as great as the products he designs.

<shudder> - that 'grain split' looks really really bad. I'm sorry that you had that experience and obviously hope mine arrive in perfect condition - especially as mine are black maple too like yours. I buy a lot of stuff from the USA and it is always a bit of a gamble as to what condition it will arrive in after such a long journey - so far I have been 100% lucky and I take comfort from the fact that your problem was not caused in transit but was a manufacturing defect that should never have made it out the door in the first place (as Mark himself admits). I agree with you that, as Mark's company grows, he does need to focus on providing customer service that is every bit as good as the products themselves, and I am sure Mark is aware of that. ID companies live or die on their reputation on the net, and a reputation is as easily destroyed as it is created, so let's hope your communications experience was a one-off that has now been fixed. I also agree with you that it isn't a valid defence to say someone has a lot of emails every day (and to be fair to Mark, he did not say that - it was other posters on the forum). I guess that SVS has a lot of email every day too but mine have always been answered within two days at worst (and usually same day) and on occasion have been answered by the CEO himself, Gary Yacoubian. Mark has what is, by all accounts, the best subwoofer in the world for anything like the price - with customer service to match, the sky is the limit for him and his company.

 

Having said all that, I really just cannot wait to get my pair of F2s and I am as excited as a kid at Christmas. I hope that you feel the same and that the problems you had have been resolved and can now be forgotten as you sit back and enjoy your movies and music. 

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A little late to the party but Welcome to Seatonaholics Anonymous Keith! Yeah, with those puppies set up and the bass data for fodder, you might not come out of that room for a while!

Max
Thanks Max!  smile.gif  I have chased Fedex today to see if they can prise the things out of the hands of the Customs dudes. They've been stuck there for a week now. Maybe they have set them up in their 100,000 cubic feet warehouse to see if what they’ve read about them is true?  smile.gif

Hi kbarnes',

We'll make a call and see if we can give them a nudge from this side as well.

 

Hey Mark - that would be terrific as I am getting nowhere fast with Fedex on this side of the pond. Thanks very much - appreciated!

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If the goods were damaged in transit that would have been an entirely different case but it was a QC issue. Btw the SubMersive is pacakged really well. My issue was really a one-off(Mark said that this is only the 2nd issue of this sort he had encountered in 6-7 years of shipping products internationally) that has now been fixed. I and Mark have come to an agreement. Everything has worked out well in the end. Mistakes were made lessons learnt and I still own a Seaton SubMersive and some day would like to own the Cats & Sparks. Keith enjoy your subs and I totally agree with you 100% that the Mark's sub is the best subwoofer in the world for anything like the price and with some great customer service sky is the limit.

I cannot wait to upgrade to the HPi version when it is made available. smile.gif Without giving out too much I think the HPi version is around the corner. Perhaps a New Year gift for us.
Edited by rockydj - 11/14/12 at 3:32am
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Ok, what is this Submerssive HPi you speak of? Honestly have never heard of it. I am starting a home theater build very soon and looking at JTR and Seaton but if a new model is just around the corner I would certainly consider it.
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^
dunno about the f2, but the original submersive is INERT... i'd hazard a guess that mark wouldn't let the f2 out the door if there were vibration issues...
now, whether or not the sub will "like" it in that position remains to be seen...

Hey, what do you mean "like it"? I think I read somewhere that Mark said it could be placed on its side, if that is what you mean.

I like the look and size of the F2 better. Plus, I like front firing (I know I doesn't matter, but I just like it better))

what i meant was that might not be the best position in the room for the sub...
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Originally Posted by rockydj View Post

If the goods were damaged in transit that would have been an entirely different case but it was a QC issue. Btw the SubMersive is pacakged really well. My issue was really a one-off(Mark said that this is only the 2nd issue of this sort he had encountered in 6-7 years of shipping products internationally) that has now been fixed. I and Mark have come to an agreement. Everything has worked out well in the end. Mistakes were made lessons learnt and I still own a Seaton SubMersive and some day would like to own the Cats & Sparks. Keith enjoy your subs and I totally agree with you 100% that the Mark's sub is the best subwoofer in the world for anything like the price and with some great customer service sky is the limit.

I cannot wait to upgrade to the HPi version when it is made available. smile.gif Without giving out too much I think the HPi version is around the corner. Perhaps a New Year gift for us.

 

Hi rocky' - the most important thing I guess is that the problem was resolved to your satisfaction and you are still a happy customer of Seaton Sound. As you imply, it's not the problem that is the issue but more the way it is resolved. All businesses experience problems of one kind or another and so long as they learn from them, change their processes to ensure they don't arise again and resolve any customer complaints to the satisfaction of the customer, they will be forgiven. I am glad that your own problem was resolved and that you are happy again with your Submersive!

 

I can sympathise with Mark's position and the demands on his most precious and most scarce asset: his time. I built my own business over a 30 year period and know how easy it is to fall into the trap of spreading yourself too thinly. As the company grows, so will the number of its employees and some of these time-related issues will fade away. Meantime, Mark has a lot on his plate - he is running a business, designing speakers and subs, helping everyone out on these forums, probably acting as CEO, CFO, COO, marketing manager, sales manager, personnel manager and so on all at the same time. And on top of all that he also has a real life too, maybe with family, certainly with friends, and so the demands on his time are incredible. I am happy that we can join together and wish him all the luck in the world, and that you are happy again with your SubM.  

 

Good to type to someone literally on the other side of the world. Enjoy your HT!  All the best, Keith

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Ok, what is this Submerssive HPi you speak of? Honestly have never heard of it. I am starting a home theater build very soon and looking at JTR and Seaton but if a new model is just around the corner I would certainly consider it.
The "regular" SubMersive has a 1000 watt amp. The HP has a 2400 watt amp(it is available now unless you are outside the USA.) Other than that, and the price, they are the same.
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I am familiar with the regular submerssive and the HP but the poster mentioned an HPi. I have never heard of the HPi and it sounds like a new product that should be available soon. At least that is the way I read his post.
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I am familiar with the regular submerssive and the HP but the poster mentioned an HPi. I have never heard of the HPi and it sounds like a new product that should be available soon. At least that is the way I read his post.

Hi Frohlich,

The "i" in HPi stands for International. The amplifier in the SubMersive HP works by directly operating off a ~120VAC (nominal) power line. With customers in more than 25 countries, we have plenty waiting to be able to get in on the HP fun where the power is 230-240V. The HPi has a universal power supply which can operate at any common wall Voltage. The added complexity will also add a little to the cost vs the standard HP. There would be no performance reason to change from an HP to HPi.
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Originally Posted by Mark Seaton View Post

Hi Frohlich,
The "i" in HPi stands for International. The amplifier in the SubMersive HP works by directly operating off a ~120VAC (nominal) power line. With customers in more than 25 countries, we have plenty waiting to be able to get in on the HP fun where the power is 230-240V. The HPi has a universal power supply which can operate at any common wall Voltage. The added complexity will also add a little to the cost vs the standard HP. There would be no performance reason to change from an HP to HPi.

Thanks for clarifying Mark ....and killing my dreams for some new uber Submerssive smile.gif
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Thanks for clarifying Mark ....and killing my dreams for some new uber Submerssive smile.gif

Any real reason to have a "Uber Submersive"? Submersives do pretty well on their own and then add duals to a room, that is Uber Submersive bass!
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Any real reason to have a "Uber Submersive"? Submersives do pretty well on their own and then add duals to a room, that is Uber Submersive bass!

New models are always better.... I work in Product/Marketing...I know about these kind of things smile.gif
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Any real reason to have a "Uber Submersive"? Submersives do pretty well on their own and then add duals to a room, that is Uber Submersive bass!

It will become self evident once the Terraform XL is unveiled. I believe it is still in the works and I'm guessing it will be THE uber sub ... smile.gif
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Will you guys cut it out. I'm trying to get bills cleared off the books so I can add a pair of lowly HP's and you guys are talking up uber-woofers. tongue.gif

At some ~$6k/ea and weighing in at some 300#'s, it's a safe bet I'm not going even look at a pair of these.

(See post #183.)

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 11/14/12 at 8:43am
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Thanks for clarifying Mark ....and killing my dreams for some new uber Submerssive smile.gif

Any real reason to have a "Uber Submersive"? Submersives do pretty well on their own and then add duals to a room, that is Uber Submersive bass!

ok, bill, if you don't stop that kind of crazy talk, we are going to come take your subs away from you... tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

Any real reason to have a "Uber Submersive"? Submersives do pretty well on their own and then add duals to a room, that is Uber Submersive bass!

It will become self evident once the Terraform XL is unveiled. I believe it is still in the works and I'm guessing it will be THE uber sub ... smile.gif

i may have to cut a hole in my roof and rent a crane to get it to the second floor of my house (where my room is), but that is gonna be MIGHTY tempting...
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New models are always better.... I work in Product/Marketing...I know about these kind of things smile.gif

like PT Barnum said . . .
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

ok, bill, if you don't stop that kind of crazy talk, we are going to come take your subs away from you... tongue.gif

no, anything but that! Saving now for a 4th Submersive so that I can have 2 in each front corner. It's all about symetrey!
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i may have to cut a hole in my roof and rent a crane to get it to the second floor of my house (where my room is), but that is gonna be MIGHTY tempting...

Go IB and turn the whole house into a sub. When my wife was still with me, I had to go with a standalone subwoofer as she would not stand for me to do a IB with the house. Now that I could, but that maybe would be in the future. Who knows, my many subwoofer tryouts (25 to date) has been fun.
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

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Any real reason to have a "Uber Submersive"? Submersives do pretty well on their own and then add duals to a room, that is Uber Submersive bass!

It will become self evident once the Terraform XL is unveiled. I believe it is still in the works and I'm guessing it will be THE uber sub ... smile.gif

Just move your existing SubM's to the back of your room and put the Terraform XL's up front.

I imagine that that would work out for you quite nicely. eek.gif
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