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i may have to cut a hole in my roof and rent a crane to get it to the second floor of my house (where my room is), but that is gonna be MIGHTY tempting...

Go IB and turn the whole house into a sub. When my wife was still with me, I had to go with a standalone subwoofer as she would not stand for me to do a IB with the house. Now that I could, but that maybe would be in the future. Who knows, my many subwoofer tryouts (25 to date) has been fun.

yea, that's what i really want to do, and have mentally planned to do so in the spring... i've been selling off a few things (including my second subm to batt50) to stash away cash to do it with...

i wish i didn't have a "flat roof" house, it would make it a lot easier... frown.gif i'm going to have to go with "outies", unless i want to have the manifolds hanging down into my dining room... which actually might make for a good "discussion piece"... tongue.gif
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Anyone in the DMV area have a Seaton sub they would be willing to demo? I've heard great things about them.
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Anyone in the DMV area have a Seaton sub they would be willing to demo? I've heard great things about them.

But alas, gaze upon thine inbox, for thou doth indeed have a PM.
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But alas, gaze upon thine inbox, for thou doth indeed have a PM.

Two "beasts" around D.C. listening to submersives... YIKES!!!! smile.gif
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But alas, gaze upon thine inbox, for thou doth indeed have a PM.

PM responded to!

Also, I would be lying if I told you I did not laugh a little bit when I read your reply.
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Any real reason to have a "Uber Submersive"? Submersives do pretty well on their own and then add duals to a room, that is Uber Submersive bass!

I cannot wait until the SubMersive XL comes out. Dual opposed 18" woofers. That is a beautiful thing.
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I cannot wait until the SubMersive XL comes out. Dual opposed 18" woofers. That is a beautiful thing.

Funky Audio has a 18.3 shipped to the USA for 3800 - http://www.funkaudio.ca/18.3_Overview.html
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I'm cool with a pair of HP's or F-2's but when you cross the 115dB THX threshold, isn't one just damaging their hearing? ???

You have to forgive my not understanding this need to obsess about LF dB's. My excuse, I was dropped a couple of times on my head as a child and never recovered. tongue.gif
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Any real reason to have a "Uber Submersive"? Submersives do pretty well on their own and then add duals to a room, that is Uber Submersive bass!

New models are always better.... I work in Product/Marketing...I know about these kind of things smile.gif

Thank you for reminding me of the old, sage business advice of not telling marketing/sales about new products until they are in the warehouse, ready to ship! tongue.gif


Of course that's not quite as much fun...
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Originally Posted by Mark Seaton View Post

Thank you for reminding me of the old, sage business advice of not telling marketing/sales about new products until they are in the warehouse, ready to ship! tongue.gif
Of course that's not quite as much fun...

and really, how much bass could you improve on with 3 Submersives in a 2300 cu ft room? Adding more to that would be insane . . . and I am crazy, ha, ha!
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

I'm cool with a pair of HP's or F-2's but when you cross the 115dB THX threshold, isn't one just damaging their hearing? ???
You have to forgive my not understanding this need to obsess about LF dB's. My excuse, I was dropped a couple of times on my head as a child and never recovered. tongue.gif

For me it's not about all-out SPL. It's about having headroom and being able to play bass CLEANLY (SQ), in MY room (about 3700sqft which opens up to another 4800sqft) at MY desired levels (usually between -10dbs and full reference). smile.gif
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For me it's not about all-out SPL. It's about having headroom and being able to play bass CLEANLY (SQ), in MY room (about 3700sqft which opens up to another 4800sqft) at MY desired levels (usually between -10dbs and full reference). smile.gif

Thanks for the response. To help better understand my mindset, my mindset is, never use gear at more than 80% capacity whether jackhammer or subwoofer which would mean that if a subwoofer system has to be maxed to reach 115dB, I'm considered woefully underpowered. I'm all for personal happiness. If someone wants to have 140dB worth a headroom, I'm all for their happiness. I'm just trying to understand the mindset above that of THX reference as agreeing with you, I too choose to listen at between -10dB and on particularly good sound tracks, choose to inch the volume control up to 0dB and sometimes +5dB.

FWIW, I've measure the room when at 0dB volume setting. I've found during dialogue and normal action sequences, it works out to be a SPL of ~95dB.

Please, in my question, do not take defense or offense as I'm trying to understand the mindset. In a show of solidarity, I've moved my thinking from a pair of eighteen year old 12" subs to, when I've gathered the money, a pair of SubMersive HP's. It's very questionable if the furniture (no room) would accept a sexier pair of F2's. This SubMersive upgrade, at 20Hz should be able to pressurize the room to ~117dB. In real terms, we all know that things start coming off the shelves at 107dB and we're talking twice that in perceived loudness. While reading and pushing on this mental string, a pair of Funk Audio 18.3's or a pair of Klipsch THX subs are starting to look good. On my part, this quest to understand has to end somewhere as I can't afford to buy and try all the choices before us. I'm a do my due diligence and buy once kind-a-guy. I'm a consumer of goods, I'm not a hobbyist. If anything, my hobby is to sit and do nothing but eat popcorn while enjoying an at home movie experience with the wife.

The insightful purpose of my question, if I need to rethink my subwoofer choices, I'd rather do so before plunking down for a pair of HP's as opposed to slapping my forehead in an after thought of: "Gee I could have had a ....."

As another show of understanding support, I've moved my budget from $1,500.00 > $3,000.00 > $6,000.00. My wife is threatening to go all Lizzy Borden on me. (Somebody hep me.) Hence the need to understand the mindset; to better see if I need to amend my choices or if I'm simply chasing the stardust of esoteric ideology.

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(Somewhere between the Earth and the Stars is every person's middle ground.)

The pragmatic opposite of the above is:

(Just because my ceiling is another person's floor, does not mean I have to move.)

.................................rolleyes.gif

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 11/15/12 at 5:25am
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Hey Guys, just wondering, what receiver is most popular or works the best with the F2 sub? In other words, receivers now a days have room correction (Audyssey, Anthem's ARC, etc). Which of these best compliments or really makes these subs shine? Is there one that most people on here use?
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I would say it's a safe bet to say an AVR receiver like a Denon, 4311Ci with Audyssey, MultEQ XT32, which has discrete dual sub outs.

Currently, we're running a Marantz, SR5007 which uses Audyssey, MultEQ XT and the two sub outs are internally split with a "Y." I use a digital Radio Shack sound meter to balance the two subs and then run Audyssey followed with additional sound meter adjustments after Audyssey has been run.

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 11/15/12 at 9:04am
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Anything with Audyssey X32. It is significantly better than the previous version of Audyssey as it greatly improves bass ringing. I use the Integra 80.2 and there is an Onkyo equivalent and I know that Denon has a high-end solution as well.

And you won't need to use an RS meter to balance the two sets of subs as Audyssey makes that happen (with your assistance).

Short of spending north of $15,000, the Integra/Onkyo/Denon/Marantz/NAD I believe all support Audyssey X32.

If you have no budget constraints, there are a few more options (which may or may not be any better)
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^^^

i second that... smile.gif

xt32, some measuring tools (trust but verify wink.gif ), and carefully following the guides that have been written, and you will be cooking with gas...

i'm partial to denons myself these days... i was very happy with the a100 i had, and my initial impressions of the 4520 that arrived last friday are good... smile.gif
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some measuring tools (trust but verify wink.gif ),

I forgot that part. Audyssey is a great product but without measuring tools (OmniMIc, XTZ, REW) you will not get all you can
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Isn't that why maybe Anthem's Arc could be a better fit as it shows you the graphs and results of the calibration?
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Isn't that why maybe Anthem's Arc could be a better fit as it shows you the graphs and results of the calibration?

If it is a display on the unit itself, then probably no. It probably would not have enough resolution or detail to tell you what you need.
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Originally Posted by 04rex View Post

Hey Guys, just wondering, what receiver is most popular or works the best with the F2 sub? In other words, receivers now a days have room correction (Audyssey, Anthem's ARC, etc). Which of these best compliments or really makes these subs shine? Is there one that most people on here use?

I wouldn't say there are any specific desired features or functions for the SubMersive vs. other subwoofers. You will find that we have a fairly technically aware user base and most employ some form of EQ ranging from Audyssey, ARC and other room correction systems, as well as outboard devices like the Antimode series or even manual EQ options.

There is no more or less need for EQ with a SubMersive vs. other subwoofers, but at this level of capability the in-room response is the biggest threshold for improving performance, not changing to a different subwoofer.
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If it is a display on the unit itself, then probably no. It probably would not have enough resolution or detail to tell you what you need.

Anthem's ARC uses a computer to do the thinking. So the graphs show up on your computer/Laptop. So you can see the frequencies and see where the irregularities are and such.
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Originally Posted by Mark Seaton View Post

I wouldn't say there are any specific desired features or functions for the SubMersive vs. other subwoofers. You will find that we have a fairly technically aware user base and most employ some form of EQ ranging from Audyssey, ARC and other room correction systems, as well as outboard devices like the Antimode series or even manual EQ options.
There is no more or less need for EQ with a SubMersive vs. other subwoofers, but at this level of capability the in-room response is the biggest threshold for improving performance, not changing to a different subwoofer.

Thanks for the info Mark. Changing to a different sub definitely wouldn't be the right answer.
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Keith.... we're waiting!!!
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On the seventh day, the Lord created subwoofer, and all was good in heaven and on earth.

 

Oh, wow. Just wow!  They arrived at 8.00 this morning, all packaging etc intact. They have been unboxed and put in the HT room, where they sat for a few hours to let the electronics adjust to the temperature indoors (they were very cold on arrival). I have since hooked them up to check they are all OK (they are) and, of course, have had to have a listen, without Audyssey on just to see what real woofage is all about :) Initial impression is this:

 

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I will run Audyssey Pro later, measure, do the sub distance tweak, experiment with XOs etc etc etc and will report back here when they are properly setup, calibrated and giving their best.

 

For now, wow! WOW!

 

@Mark - thanks for the help you and Kelly gave in resolving the Customs problem at this end. There was no sensible reason for Customs to hold them back and thankfully, they realised that, costing me just a week's delay in woofage.

 

@Everyone else - thanks for this thread, for the help and advice it contains, and for the encouragement to do this thing. Two F2s in such a small room. Crazy. Totally crazy. But then, one has to remember: you can never have too much woofage :)

 

Until later...

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Glad I didn't have to listen to the full hour of Jeopardy music! biggrin.gif
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Glad I didn't have to listen to the full hour of Jeopardy music! biggrin.gif

 

Two minds with but a single thought.... :) Have had to go out!  Just got back. Have a job to finish and then it's Pro Time!

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Glad I didn't have to listen to the full hour of Jeopardy music! biggrin.gif
I made it through about 3:30 min tongue.gif.
Kbarnes, glad you got them and glad they are all you hoped they would be. Have fun finish setting them up and watching all your movies again.
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I will run Audyssey Pro later, measure, do the sub distance tweak, experiment with XOs etc etc etc and will report back here when they are properly setup, calibrated and giving their best.

You could save yourself a lot of time and trouble by simply getting the "WOW" Blu-ray, some Vermont air dried (on the naked thighs of virgins) maple stands with big brass balls, an SPL meter and a huge fan to blow all that Submersive goodness around the room.
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On the seventh day, the Lord created subwoofer, and all was good in heaven and on earth.

Oh, wow. Just wow!  They arrived at 8.00 this morning, all packaging etc intact. They have been unboxed and put in the HT room, where they sat for a few hours to let the electronics adjust to the temperature indoors (they were very cold on arrival). I have since hooked them up to check they are all OK (they are) and, of course, have had to have a listen, without Audyssey on just to see what real woofage is all about smile.gif Initial impression is this:

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I will run Audyssey Pro later, measure, do the sub distance tweak, experiment with XOs etc etc etc and will report back here when they are properly setup, calibrated and giving their best.

For now, wow! WOW!

@Mark - thanks for the help you and Kelly gave in resolving the Customs problem at this end. There was no sensible reason for Customs to hold them back and thankfully, they realised that, costing me just a week's delay in woofage.

@Everyone else - thanks for this thread, for the help and advice it contains, and for the encouragement to do this thing. Two F2s in such a small room. Crazy. Totally crazy. But then, one has to remember: you can never have too much woofage smile.gif

Until later...

Well that explains the cancellation of the British Customs House Bassfest 2012 originally scheduled for this weekend tongue.gif

Congrats Keith!
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Originally Posted by bfreedma View Post

Well that explains the cancellation of the British Customs House Bassfest 2012 originally scheduled for this weekend tongue.gif
Congrats Keith!

Now THAT was funny! LOL! biggrin.gif

Mark
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

On the seventh day, the Lord created subwoofer, and all was good in heaven and on earth.

Oh, wow. Just wow!  They arrived at 8.00 this morning, all packaging etc intact. They have been unboxed and put in the HT room, where they sat for a few hours to let the electronics adjust to the temperature indoors (they were very cold on arrival). I have since hooked them up to check they are all OK (they are) and, of course, have had to have a listen, without Audyssey on just to see what real woofage is all about smile.gif Initial impression is this:

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I will run Audyssey Pro later, measure, do the sub distance tweak, experiment with XOs etc etc etc and will report back here when they are properly setup, calibrated and giving their best.

For now, wow! WOW!

@Mark - thanks for the help you and Kelly gave in resolving the Customs problem at this end. There was no sensible reason for Customs to hold them back and thankfully, they realised that, costing me just a week's delay in woofage.

@Everyone else - thanks for this thread, for the help and advice it contains, and for the encouragement to do this thing. Two F2s in such a small room. Crazy. Totally crazy. But then, one has to remember: you can never have too much woofage smile.gif

Until later...

Congrats on your successful F2 delivery.

My 2 F2's were also delivered earlier today along with 3 Cat12C's and their stands. Apparently my 4 Cat8C's and stands will not arrive for another 2 to 3 weeks. I just ordered a Seymour 120" wide AT screen this morning (about 30 minutes before the speaker delivery) but the screen won't be delivered until the first week of December due to the American Thanksgiving. If my Epson 6020 arrives latter today or tomorrow I'll be watching movies on a white bed sheet and listening to 3.2 sound. The sacrifices we all have to make in this hobby. LOL
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