or Connect
AVS › AVS Forum › Audio › Subwoofers, Bass, and Transducers › Seaton Sound SubMersive1
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Seaton Sound SubMersive1 - Page 252

post #7531 of 9372
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Seaton View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

I now have a second appointment with a girl in a tight rubber suit riding an extremely powerful (and odd-looking) motorcycle. I may be gone some time.... wink.gif

Since this is a forum... Pictures or it didn't happen! cool.gif

Feel free to use my forum if not enough on topic for here. wink.gif

If he does that should drive a little more traffic to your forum. rolleyes.gif
post #7532 of 9372
Quote:
Originally Posted by craig john View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

I now have a second appointment with a girl in a tight rubber suit riding an extremely powerful (and odd-looking) motorcycle. I may be gone some time.... wink.gif
Ummm... Keith... those posts belong on the *other* forum. biggrin.gif

Craig

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Seaton View Post

Since this is a forum... Pictures or it didn't happen! cool.gif

Feel free to use my forum if not enough on topic for here. wink.gif

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

Ignore Craig, he sometimes forgets these things.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by rx-8 View Post

Feel free to use my forum if not enough on topic for here. wink.gif

If he does that should drive a little more traffic to your forum. rolleyes.gif

 

 

OK guys, here she is....

 

 

1000

 

1000

 

And look - she has a friend too - do you think they share the rubber suit!

 

 

1000

 

No wonder the Dark Knight rises huh? tongue.gif

post #7533 of 9372
^ That's why Batman has big pointy ears!
post #7534 of 9372
I know most of you lucky sods are running duals (or more), but I have a few setup questions for anyone like me who suffers with only one:

Do you place the sub mid wall or in a corner? If I corner load at left front, I get a ~5db boost and better extension, but the sub becomes more easily localized, especially at lower volumes (I can hear/feel the bass pressure coming from the left). Xover is set at 100 hz and can't be lowered, unfortunately. I am using prog 2.

Any suggestions appreciated!
post #7535 of 9372
Vincent, I know what you're going through brother. I too suffer from owning only one Submersive. When I first bought it life was grand, but the more time I spent with it the more I wanted. Food lost it's taste. Feelings of inadequacy crept in. Sleep was restless at best and medications had no effect. My doctor told me I have a rare disorder called monosubmersiveitis - or MSI. He said there is a cure and that all I had to do was call Mark Seaton and order another one. This is when I found out my wife suffers from an even more tragic condition commonly referred to as NWJ, or NoWayJose! Apparently it's common in younger women with only mild symptoms but that the disease becomes very aggressive shortly after marriage.

Weeks passed. Months. LOTR was just great, same with Iron Man, Batman Begins and others. As hard as I tried I simply couldn't crack my foundation. I feared this may go on forever. Then in the spring of 2012 my doctor informed me of a new drug - the Antimode 8033. I had to take just one and most of my symptoms would disappear.

Upon taking the Antimode clarity, heft, and immediacy appeared in spades. Tron Legacy sounded ridiculous. The Dark Knight was breathtaking, and War of the Worlds could literally kill a small child.

Many months later, my system is now fabulous again. I placed my HP in the front left corner, selected program 2, crossed at 100hz, ran the Antimode and let her rip. It's an amazing little device.

If you truly suffer from MSI I would order an Antimode right away. You simply cannot afford to persist through this terrible and debilitating condition.

Best of luck

John
post #7536 of 9372
LOL!
post #7537 of 9372
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sick Mother View Post

Vincent, I know what you're going through brother. I too suffer from owning only one Submersive. When I first bought it life was grand, but the more time I spent with it the more I wanted. Food lost it's taste. Feelings of inadequacy crept in. Sleep was restless at best and medications had no effect. My doctor told me I have a rare disorder called monosubmersiveitis - or MSI. He said there is a cure and that all I had to do was call Mark Seaton and order another one. This is when I found out my wife suffers from an even more tragic condition commonly referred to as NWJ, or NoWayJose! Apparently it's common in younger women with only mild symptoms but that the disease becomes very aggressive shortly after marriage.
Weeks passed. Months. LOTR was just great, same with Iron Man, Batman Begins and others. As hard as I tried I simply couldn't crack my foundation. I feared this may go on forever. Then in the spring of 2012 my doctor informed me of a new drug - the Antimode 8033. I had to take just one and most of my symptoms would disappear.
Upon taking the Antimode clarity, heft, and immediacy appeared in spades. Tron Legacy sounded ridiculous. The Dark Knight was breathtaking, and War of the Worlds could literally kill a small child.
Many months later, my system is now fabulous again. I placed my HP in the front left corner, selected program 2, crossed at 100hz, ran the Antimode and let her rip. It's an amazing little device.
If you truly suffer from MSI I would order an Antimode right away. You simply cannot afford to persist through this terrible and debilitating condition.
Best of luck
John

HA!!!! THIS IS GOLDEN!

I'm so happy you've found the cure!
post #7538 of 9372
Lol great post, sick mother. Obviously, "suffer" was used in jest. As to your suggestion, are you running Audessey with the Antimode? Would it improve on XT32? Cheers.
post #7539 of 9372
Audessey yes. Never had X32 so I can't really speak to that.
post #7540 of 9372
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sick Mother View Post

Vincent, I know what you're going through brother. I too suffer from owning only one Submersive. When I first bought it life was grand, but the more time I spent with it the more I wanted. Food lost it's taste. Feelings of inadequacy crept in. Sleep was restless at best and medications had no effect. My doctor told me I have a rare disorder called monosubmersiveitis - or MSI. He said there is a cure and that all I had to do was call Mark Seaton and order another one. This is when I found out my wife suffers from an even more tragic condition commonly referred to as NWJ, or NoWayJose! Apparently it's common in younger women with only mild symptoms but that the disease becomes very aggressive shortly after marriage.

Weeks passed. Months. LOTR was just great, same with Iron Man, Batman Begins and others. As hard as I tried I simply couldn't crack my foundation. I feared this may go on forever. Then in the spring of 2012 my doctor informed me of a new drug - the Antimode 8033. I had to take just one and most of my symptoms would disappear.

Upon taking the Antimode clarity, heft, and immediacy appeared in spades. Tron Legacy sounded ridiculous. The Dark Knight was breathtaking, and War of the Worlds could literally kill a small child.

Many months later, my system is now fabulous again. I placed my HP in the front left corner, selected program 2, crossed at 100hz, ran the Antimode and let her rip. It's an amazing little device.

If you truly suffer from MSI I would order an Antimode right away. You simply cannot afford to persist through this terrible and debilitating condition.

Best of luck

John

 

LOL!  Fabulous. Monosubmersiveitis.... priceless. :)

post #7541 of 9372
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vincent Kompany View Post

I know most of you lucky sods are running duals (or more), but I have a few setup questions for anyone like me who suffers with only one:

Do you place the sub mid wall or in a corner? If I corner load at left front, I get a ~5db boost and better extension, but the sub becomes more easily localized, especially at lower volumes (I can hear/feel the bass pressure coming from the left). Xover is set at 100 hz and can't be lowered, unfortunately. I am using prog 2.

Any suggestions appreciated!

 

Have you tried it in a different location such as mid-wall?  If so, does it sound better to you or worse?  Is losing the 5dB boost the issue?  Sometimes it is better to choose quality over quantity.

 

Do you have any measuring gear at all, such as OmniMic?  If you do, measuring what is actually happening at both locations would be a good start I think - then you would see exactly what is going on and what needs attention. If you don't, I think that when one gets to the level of equipment characterised by Submersives, some form of measuring capability becomes essential. If you read the review of my dual F2s that I recently posted, you'll get some idea of the process I had to go through to get the best out of my subs  - and I couldn't have done it without OmniMic.

 

AAMOI why can’t you use a XO lower than 100Hz?

post #7542 of 9372
Midwall sounds better in some respects - less localizable and better mid bass, I think - but worse in terms of output and FR/extension. Prob have to accept the tradeoffs unless i get a 2nd.

no, i don't have omnimic (yet) and can't set xover lower due to LCR limitations.
post #7543 of 9372
Are you saying you have LCRs that will not go to 80Hz and a Seaton Submersive? confused.gif
post #7544 of 9372
Yes. Space limitations.
post #7545 of 9372
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vincent Kompany View Post

Midwall sounds better in some respects - less localizable and better mid bass, I think - but worse in terms of output and FR/extension. Prob have to accept the tradeoffs unless i get a 2nd.

no, i don't have omnimic (yet) and can't set xover lower due to LCR limitations.

Are you using any form of EQ? Sorry - it's been a long day and I think you mentioned you had Audyssey XT32 didn't you? 

 

Have you tried varying the sub distance (delay) setting that Audyssey found?  I would not usually recommend anyone do that if they don't have measuring facilities as it's shooting in the dark otherwise, but it might be worth making a note of the sub distance and then varying it a little in either direction while listening to some content with decent bass. This tweak allows you to improve the splice - Audyssey doesn’t seem all that reliable at setting the delay well. Also, have you tried the sub on the mid-wall and simply increasing the trim level by a few dB to give you back some of the oomph you lost by moving away from the corner? Some people are very good at localising above 80Hz (I am not, fortunately) and this may be compounding your problem there.

 

One good thing about having a SubM is that you know for certain that the sub, when properly set up, located and integrated is going to give you a world-class performance - so this means any problems or issues are not with the sub itself. And that means they can probably be fixed one way or another.

 

An OmniMic is a terrific investment, trust me. It makes it so much easier to resolve problems like this.

 

Incidentally, I cross my MK S150s over at 100Hz - it's not a problem and in fact Mark recommended I try that and I did and it measured and sounded better than 80Hz.

post #7546 of 9372
Quote:
Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

Are you using any form of EQ? Sorry - it's been a long day and I think you mentioned you had Audyssey XT32 didn't you? 

Have you tried varying the sub distance (delay) setting that Audyssey found?  I would not usually recommend anyone do that if they don't have measuring facilities as it's shooting in the dark otherwise, but it might be worth making a note of the sub distance and then varying it a little in either direction while listening to some content with decent bass. This tweak allows you to improve the splice - Audyssey doesn’t seem all that reliable at setting the delay well. Also, have you tried the sub on the mid-wall and simply increasing the trim level by a few dB to give you back some of the oomph you lost by moving away from the corner? Some people are very good at localising above 80Hz (I am not, fortunately) and this may be compounding your problem there.

One good thing about having a SubM is that you know for certain that the sub, when properly set up, located and integrated is going to give you a world-class performance - so this means any problems or issues are not with the sub itself. And that means they can probably be fixed one way or another.

An OmniMic is a terrific investment, trust me. It makes it so much easier to resolve problems like this.

Incidentally, I cross my MK S150s over at 100Hz - it's not a problem and in fact Mark recommended I try that and I did and it measured and sounded better than 80Hz.

Thanks, keith. Yes, I am using xt32 (avr4311ci). Haven't tried messing with the sub distance settings yet, but that's a good shout. Probably will go back to a mid wall placement and run it hot, just as you suggested. Overall, I think i prefer the tighter punchier sound I got there, even at the expense of a few hz of ULF extension. Probably go back to prog 1 for much the same reasons.

Deffo want to pick up omnimic. Have bought a ton of new stuff recently so need to wait for the heat to die down. (WAF)
post #7547 of 9372
A fellow audio fan came down and helped me run REW on my Submersives. We finally placed them at 2 in front and 2 i n back of the room. Ran REW and it was flat down to 12hz. Ran the sub crossover at 80 hz. and will post charts from this later.

Give your Submersive a workout, watch "Halo 4 - Forward unto Dawn". Rated TV14 is a movie by MicroSoft and is about the Halo game. It is very juvinile in nature but halfway thru the bass really kicks in. Warning though, the audio is high. I had it at -18 on my reciever and I usually listen movies at -10.
post #7548 of 9372
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vincent Kompany View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

Are you using any form of EQ? Sorry - it's been a long day and I think you mentioned you had Audyssey XT32 didn't you? 

Have you tried varying the sub distance (delay) setting that Audyssey found?  I would not usually recommend anyone do that if they don't have measuring facilities as it's shooting in the dark otherwise, but it might be worth making a note of the sub distance and then varying it a little in either direction while listening to some content with decent bass. This tweak allows you to improve the splice - Audyssey doesn’t seem all that reliable at setting the delay well. Also, have you tried the sub on the mid-wall and simply increasing the trim level by a few dB to give you back some of the oomph you lost by moving away from the corner? Some people are very good at localising above 80Hz (I am not, fortunately) and this may be compounding your problem there.

One good thing about having a SubM is that you know for certain that the sub, when properly set up, located and integrated is going to give you a world-class performance - so this means any problems or issues are not with the sub itself. And that means they can probably be fixed one way or another.

An OmniMic is a terrific investment, trust me. It makes it so much easier to resolve problems like this.

Incidentally, I cross my MK S150s over at 100Hz - it's not a problem and in fact Mark recommended I try that and I did and it measured and sounded better than 80Hz.

Thanks, keith. Yes, I am using xt32 (avr4311ci). Haven't tried messing with the sub distance settings yet, but that's a good shout. Probably will go back to a mid wall placement and run it hot, just as you suggested. Overall, I think i prefer the tighter punchier sound I got there, even at the expense of a few hz of ULF extension. Probably go back to prog 1 for much the same reasons.

Deffo want to pick up omnimic. Have bought a ton of new stuff recently so need to wait for the heat to die down. (WAF)

 

Seems to me that the mid-wall placement is giving you better bass quality and if you settle there for now and run the sub a little hot, you may have done all you can do, in the absence of measuring gear. I personally would always forego a few Hz at the very bottom end for greater quality higher up if I had to make that choice. There is a lot more real-world content from 20Hz up than there is from 20Hz down.  Once you get the OmniMic you will be able to measure exactly what is happening and that will open up a lot more possibilities for getting the ULF and the quality. You know your SubM can deliver both quality and quantity, and very low ULF too, so it's going to be a question of having the right tools to unlock that. One of the biggest improvements I made was installing treatments, but you need a lot of WAF points for that :)

post #7549 of 9372
Quote:
Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

A fellow audio fan came down and helped me run REW on my Submersives. We finally placed them at 2 in front and 2 i n back of the room. Ran REW and it was flat down to 12hz. Ran the sub crossover at 80 hz. and will post charts from this later.
 

 

Will look forward to seeing those graphs!  Sounds like a good result. You really do need measuring gear to get the best out of subs (and some form of EQ too IMO).

post #7550 of 9372
I’d like to give some feedback on Mark’s customer service. I ordered my second SubM and it arrived this Friday. UPS obviously had a field day using the box as a rubber bouncing ball. Anyway, the sub’s one corner was damaged which gives you an idea how they abused the box as the sub is extremely well packed. I emailed Mark Friday night and had a response Saturday morning assuring me that the next one is on its way come Monday morning. No hassles, no fuss. Now, if can persuade him to postpone the pickup so I can hear 3 Subm’s in my room…. bwwhahahaaa tongue.gif
post #7551 of 9372
Quote:
Originally Posted by nb67 View Post

I’d like to give some feedback on Mark’s customer service. I ordered my second SubM and it arrived this Friday. UPS obviously had a field day using the box as a rubber bouncing ball. Anyway, the sub’s one corner was damaged which gives you an idea how they abused the box as the sub is extremely well packed. I emailed Mark Friday night and had a response Saturday morning assuring me that the next one is on its way come Monday morning. No hassles, no fuss. Now, if can persuade him to postpone the pickup so I can hear 3 Subm’s in my room…. bwwhahahaaa tongue.gif

 

Sorry to hear of the problem but great news that it has been resolved so quickly and so well. One of my fears about ordering my two F2s was the risk of damage in transit because returning them from the UK would not be straightforward. Fortunately mine survived their transatlantic journey (via Fedex Freight) and arrived in perfect condition - as you say, the packaging is very robust. Mark's  customer service is as good as his subs!

post #7552 of 9372
Quote:
Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

LOL!  Fabulous. Monosubmersiveitis.... priceless. smile.gif
I believe it's actually Solosubmersiveitis if you want to be picky. tongue.gif
post #7553 of 9372
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stereodude View Post

I believe it's actually Solosubmersiveitis if you want to be picky. tongue.gif

Actually, that's wrong too. An "-itis" is an inflammation. An "-iasis" describes an abnormal condition. So the correct word should be : "monosubmersiveiasis", which would be the abnormal condition of having just one Submersive.
http://www.globalrph.com/medterm5c.htm
biggrin.gif

Craig
post #7554 of 9372
I need a new doctor!
post #7555 of 9372
Quote:
Originally Posted by nb67 View Post

I’d like to give some feedback on Mark’s customer service. I ordered my second SubM and it arrived this Friday. UPS obviously had a field day using the box as a rubber bouncing ball. Anyway, the sub’s one corner was damaged which gives you an idea how they abused the box as the sub is extremely well packed. I emailed Mark Friday night and had a response Saturday morning assuring me that the next one is on its way come Monday morning. No hassles, no fuss. Now, if can persuade him to postpone the pickup so I can hear 3 Subm’s in my room…. bwwhahahaaa tongue.gif

I have posted on AVS & Mark's forum as to how well Mark has treated me. I just wish that he could find the time to post more often.
Lately we are lucky if there is more than one post on either AVS or his forum & then only starting mid week. (His range of knowledge
is exceptional)

post #7556 of 9372
Quote:
Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

Will look forward to seeing those graphs!  Sounds like a good result. You really do need measuring gear to get the best out of subs (and some form of EQ too IMO).

My reciever is the Pioneer SC-67 and I'm using Anti Mode Dual Core 2.0 for the Submersives. I have the subs set flat at 72-73 db with the mians at 75 db. Awesome bass and total SQ with these settings. Watch the new Batman for some excellent SQ from a movie.
post #7557 of 9372
Quote:
Originally Posted by calentz View Post

I have posted on AVS & Mark's forum as to how well Mark has treated me. I just wish that he could find the time to post more often.

Lately we are lucky if there is more than one post on either AVS or his forum & then only starting mid week. (His range of knowledge

is exceptional)

That would be known as Aseatonosis... look it up. smile.gif
post #7558 of 9372
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sick Mother View Post

I need a new doctor!

No. You need a second SubMersive!
post #7559 of 9372
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vincent Kompany View Post

I know most of you lucky sods are running duals (or more), but I have a few setup questions for anyone like me who suffers with only one:
Do you place the sub mid wall or in a corner? If I corner load at left front, I get a ~5db boost and better extension, but the sub becomes more easily localized, especially at lower volumes (I can hear/feel the bass pressure coming from the left). Xover is set at 100 hz and can't be lowered, unfortunately. I am using prog 2.
Any suggestions appreciated!
I have a single, mid wall. Works great for me.
post #7560 of 9372
Quote:
Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

My reciever is the Pioneer SC-67 and I'm using Anti Mode Dual Core 2.0 for the Submersives. I have the subs set flat at 72-73 db with the mians at 75 db. Awesome bass and total SQ with these settings. Watch the new Batman for some excellent SQ from a movie.

Do you use the antimode in conjunction with MACC?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
AVS › AVS Forum › Audio › Subwoofers, Bass, and Transducers › Seaton Sound SubMersive1