Seaton Sound SubMersive1 - Page 256

Then that settles it. Now, how about those Seaton Subs of yours? Is one better served by a pair of 18" subs, one driver in each sub or a pair of 15" subs, two drivers that are opposite each other; four drivers total?

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 12/19/12 at 6:49am

One has to be in the room to answer those types of questions as not being omniscient, it would be unreasonable for one to comment in the specific as opposed to the general on a room they haven't seen. I'm not playing word games. I haven't seen the room, so how can I comment other than in general terms?


Actually, you mentioned opening doors as opposed to the actual wall. If the reflective surface is not the cause of the standing wave, then opening door or wall won't make a difference but it will reduce the reinforcement of a sealed room; negative impact. And if the reflective surface has been removed that reinforces, then a null can be created by it's removal; negative impact. The point, yes, I understand there are complex interactions within a sealed environment.

All who live in Silicon Valley know about the interaction of the Mt View based Shoreline Amphitheater and how it's outdoor acoustics affect many households, miles away as the concert sound waves choose to gather in their bedroom using nighttime air vs warmer daytime air. This is an example of complex interactions. The same can be said for internal acoustics of homes in the path of the local airport runway. Even takeoffs can be an indoor problem for homes that are well over ten miles away; ya gotta love the bass. Unfortunately, due to the higher frequency of thunder, one has to be outside to fully appreciate the sonic range of thunder as it cascades across the sky versus what one hears inside; complex interaction. Currently, I'm in the home office on the other end of the home. I know the wife is awake when I here the whistle of the pipes; complex interactions. On school days, we have trouble having conversations on our front porch in the morning due to reinforcement issues of passing vehicles. Of course school buses are the worse. Again complex interactions and yes, simply removing the walls of the front porch will solve the problem as stepping down to the front yard, closer to the road, the problem goes away. Running calibration sweeps inside our home has it's foils. Although having double paned windows coupled with 2x6 construction and insulation, passing vehicles play havoc with calibrations sweeps due to reinforcement issues and there's nothing that can be done short of doing sweeps in the middle of the night when no traffic; again, complex interaction. The point of the above, we're surrounded by complex sonic interactions that don't just end at the nose of Home Theater.


And I'm sure many here just want to argue for the sake of arguing and by taking the conversation to PM, the arguments end. I answered a question. Enough has been said. If one wishes to continue with off topic conversation, please PM me. Otherwise, how do you like your SubMersive subs and if you changed the phase so not in sync with each other, how did changing the phase improve or deteriorate the overall bass sound quality in your Home Theater?


(The world as we know it is not going end on the 21st.)

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 12/19/12 at 8:03am

Because doing so, does. If I'm guilty of anything, it's giving too general of a reply and yes, for that I'm guilty.

As to scientific theory, there isn't any in the sense that there doesn't need to be. Yes, if you're a scientist, mathematics are great to explain an approach (pretty much, any approach) but one doesn't need to be in command of the specific math to understand what nature intuitively understands. An example, so as to kill an opponent, one doesn't need to be a mathematical master of ballistics for the purpose of accurately getting an arrow from one side of a medieval battle field to the other. One does not need to be a master of the scientific principals of metallurgy to understand the necessary forces required to penetrate medieval battle armor. And in the same vein, nor does one need to be a master of acoustical science to understand what's acoustically happening in an enclosed space. Like cooking spices, a little bit goes a long way. Math simply explains what your brain's auditory system is intuitively perceiving and interpreting. If someone wants to argue these points, please, use a PM.

It's said that Bumble Bees shouldn't be able to fly. Obviously that's horseradish as we all know, Bumble Bees can fly. Having spent decades working with Bumble Bees, I know why. Two points, they have incredible lift in their wings due to their wing speed as do Honey Bees and second, Bumble Bees and Honey Bees (as do all flying insects) have rotating wing joints where the wings meet the body. And due to this rotating ability, they can easily fly. So much for scientific pronouncements as I'm sure that readily, somebody has the math which proves that Bumble Bees can't fly. How many failed scientific principals does one need to be aware of to realize, science isn't the end-all-be-all and that yes, science needs to be challenged.

Again, my response was an a simple reply to a question. A reply I might add that clearly doesn't deserve this type of attention and this is why I'm asking if someone has questions or wants to attack me, please, take it to PM as opposed to continuing with off topic conversation.

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 12/19/12 at 9:10am

Just a correction in understanding, the overall wall stays in place as an opening is made in the wall as opposed to the prevailing wall being completely removed. An opening could be as benign as a kitchen pass through into a living room to double wide openings at different locations in the living room to access kitchen or entryway. In some remodels, the whole wall is removed so the living room, kitchen and dining are are now one as ceilings are raised.

If one can remodel a whole home, why not a listening room?

Seriously, take it to PM.

Bumble Bees haven't a clue they need math to understand flight.

And why not? We gut houses, re-pitch roofs, raise house foundations to add or finish basements and applaud those who build home theater palaces?

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 12/22/12 at 7:22am

There's no need to be offensive by rolling your eyes at me or openly being sarcastic to Ashi777. That's being intentionally antagonistic which is against forum posting rules.

You're applying your comments as if they're universal to all rooms and all conditions which isn't realistic as the LFE channel is 0-120Hz and 25dB is a huge attenuation, which we all know as the chart doesn't go below 100Hz. This is a done topic of conversation. Please, if you wish to continue, take it to PM. If you don't wish to take the topic of your post to PM, please don't address me directly or indirectly.

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 12/22/12 at 10:46am