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Originally Posted by BrolicBeast 

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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 

Sounds good Brolic... got a link to what you bought?

Sure thing:

Crowson Website
Unboxing Video & Installation
Behringer iNuke1000DSP Amplifier

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by RMK! 

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Originally Posted by bsoko2 

Bought a Audyssey Pro Kit and ran it tonight on my Integra DHC 80.3. Huge improvement with bass and SQ. Pro set my crossovers at 50 for the LCR and 60 for the 4 surrounds. I did try 80 hz crossover but got the best audio SQ with the 50 hz. I have dual stacks of 2 Submersives in each front corner and Pro set those trims at -1 and the seat shakes and vibrates at -5 on the volume. Bass is pretty much the same either at 50 or 80 crossover so I went with what sounds best for me for SQ. Using Pro with XT32 is a improvement with overall bass and SQ. WOW pod scene was 116 db (not running hot from set trims) with both 80 & 50 crosssovers. Those JTR speakers are damn efficiant with audio freqs.

So you are saying the pro kit made a huge difference in SQ. Did you set individual filters and if so on what channels/frequencies? How many Audyssey positions did you run?

Sorry for all the questions but my experience with the pro kit vs standard XT32 was not much (if any) difference in SQ.

My experience with the Pro kit is that it is more the 'icing on the cake' than a profound difference in SQ. It is certainly nowhere near the difference from going from XT to XT32. If you use the Target Curve Editor and independent measuring software together, then Pro can make more of a difference as you 'fine tune' it.

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Originally Posted by FroggyTaco 

I would also surmise that the more acoustically challenging a room is the more profound effect Audyssey Pro may have compared to Audyssey XT32.

Travis

I don't know. The main advantages of Pro over regular XT32 are:

• Individually ranked crossovers
• Filters created after the desired crossover has been selected
• Higher quality, calibrated mic with better tolerances
• Target Curve Editor
• Ability to save and reload as many measurements as you have storage room for
• Ability to use up to 32 measurement positions

Some of those might be expected to give a better calibration in any room including more challenging ones. But I still believe, from my experience, that the differences are subtle. Pro also uses the underlying version of MultEQ in the AVR/AVP, so a Pro calibration on an XT machine does not deliver a result as good as just a regular XT32 calibration without Pro.

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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 

I don't know. The main advantages of Pro over regular XT32 are:

• Individually ranked crossovers
• Filters created after the desired crossover has been selected
• Higher quality, calibrated mic with better tolerances
• Target Curve Editor
• Ability to save and reload as many measurements as you have storage room for
• Ability to use up to 32 measurement positions

Some of those might be expected to give a better calibration in any room including more challenging ones. But I still believe, from my experience, that the differences are subtle. Pro also uses the underlying version of MultEQ in the AVR/AVP, so a Pro calibration on an XT machine does not deliver a result as good as just a regular XT32 calibration without Pro.

Do you think the difference is enough to warrant the cost of the pro kit plus license ($700 bucks!)? I was looking to pick up a kit

It's a difficult call. First off, if you do not have a unit with XT32, then you will get far more difference in SQ by upgrading to XT32. If you already have XT32, then the improvements are subtle. But that doesn’t mean they are not real. Personally, I would not be without Pro simply for the Target Curve Editor and the ability to save and reload prior measurements at will. It does make a difference to SQ, but it is more subtle than the difference between XT and XT32. If I had never have bought my Pro kit I would always have been wondering what I might be missing, and that was another good enough reason for me to buy it. 

I'd also consider what else you have done in the quest for improved SQ. If you have not yet applied room treatments (assuming WAF etc permits) then that will bring bigger benefits than moving from XT32 to Pro IMO. I assume your speakers are all you want right now and I know that if you have one or more Submersives, then you are not lacking in that area. If I had to choose between spending 700 bucks on room treatments (and you can do your room a few times over for that money if you DIY them) and 700 bucks on Pro, I would first choose the treatments. If the latter are not an option for you, or you already have them in place, then yes, I personally would buy a Pro kit just for the better mic, the greater flexibility and the ability to save and reload known good calibrations. You will find SQ improvements as I did I am sure. Specifically, I found that Pro made for a noticeable improvement in the integration of the surrounds - the 'bubble' was noticeable better. I may have also noticed improvements in imaging and separation and clarity in the treble - but some or all of those may have been placebo.

I would also say that to get the very best out of Pro you need independent measuring gear like OmniMic or REW. If you have that, then measure the room with XT32 alone, measure again after running Pro and see what you find. I bought Pro before I bought my measuring gear - if I was going back in time, I'd do it the other way around now, based on my experience.

You may care to check out the Pro FAQ, linked in my sig for more info too.

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Originally Posted by dominguez1 

Thanks for the info on the pro kit guys!

Where can I buy these kits? I looked online, but didn't have much luck.

Email Luke at Audyssey. If there is no dealer in your area you can buy the Pro Kit direct from Audyssey. Luke will sort it out for you. His email address is JLoke@audyssey.com 

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Originally Posted by djbluemax1 

Good points Keith. With the caveat of being an XT32 non-Pro user, I've looked at the measured and graphed results between XT32 and XT32 Pro for the exact same setup in the same room and although there were some improvements, as Keith said, they're subtle.

If you already have XT32, then my personal recommendation for that $700 (we love spending other people's money) would be, listed in order:
1) measuring equipment if you don't yet have any (i.e. REW, XTZ, Omnimic or similar)
2) acoustic treatment if you don't have any (beginning with bass traps)
3) then the Pro kit.

The reason for the order is that 1) will allow you to see the results you're getting in your room and is invaluable with things like optimizing the placement of your sub(s), speakers and even potentially your MLP if those are flexible. You can check crossover optimization, room anomalies etc.

Ideally, you should use 1) to assist with 2) as knowing where acoustic problems lie in your room and setup allows you to target the specific issues to apply acoustic treatment for.

1) & 2) will provide better bang for the buck, and finally, 3) to fine tune.



Max

+1. I bought 1 and 3 the other way around and can confirm that your way is much better/more useful.

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Originally Posted by RMK! 

I think the Pro Kit may be more of a salve for the tweaker (). 

Maybe, but there are audible and measurable benefits from using Pro too.

True - but many people will take several mic position measurements and then average the result to closer emulate the Audyssey mic positions they used. This is very easy to do with REW.

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I haven't use ARC or Trinov but Audyssey XT32 has made the most impact on my rooms sound. The Pro Kit does allow for extra measuring positions and tweaking what Audyssey does within the context of the automatic filters Audyssey applies and so does allow for improvements in the FR. My comments were related to the audibility of those tweaks and in my experience, they were certainly not dramatic ... 

Also true. As Max and I said earlier, the benefits of Pro are much more subtle than, say the difference between XT and XT32. Your experience confirms what many have said on the Audyssey Pro thread.