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post #8011 of 9372
Thank you, I will try it.
post #8012 of 9372
I am finally getting a second SubM HP
To go with my SubM 1k
Given the disparity between amps
What's the wisest course of action as far
As setup goes
I will be using a 4311 with them.
post #8013 of 9372
Would a sub hp be overkill for a 13 x 16 sealed room?
post #8014 of 9372
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Originally Posted by Scottyp3 View Post

Would a sub hp be overkill for a 13 x 16 sealed room?

There is no such thing as OVERKILL biggrin.gifeek.gif

It will be fun

Mine is in about a 9X 22 room with 7 foot ceiling, and not an HP, I could use more eek.gif
post #8015 of 9372
in that sized room what type of improvement would you see in a sub hp vs say a rythmik 15?
post #8016 of 9372
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Originally Posted by Scottyp3 View Post

in that sized room what type of improvement would you see in a sub hp vs say a rythmik 15?

Not much I'd say but people like to have whatever. I have 2 15's in a room smaller than that.
post #8017 of 9372
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Originally Posted by Prime316 View Post

Not much I'd say but people like to have whatever. I have 2 15's in a room smaller than that.

im debating putting the extra money into a bigger sub or raal tweeters.
post #8018 of 9372
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Originally Posted by Scottyp3 View Post

in that sized room what type of improvement would you see in a sub hp vs say a rythmik 15?

The SubM HP is a lot more powerful than even the Rythmik 15HP and has twice the cone area so it's not much of a stretch to think it has the potential to be a very significant improvement in your sealed room. No question.

Chris
post #8019 of 9372
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Originally Posted by sandbagger View Post

There is no such thing as OVERKILL biggrin.gifeek.gif

It will be fun

Mine is in about a 9X 22 room with 7 foot ceiling, and not an HP, I could use more eek.gif

I like how you think! cool.gif
post #8020 of 9372
Has there been any word on the Submersive XL (dual opposed 18" drivers)? Any at all...
post #8021 of 9372
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Originally Posted by Dbuudo07 View Post

Has there been any word on the Submersive XL (dual opposed 18" drivers)? Any at all...

Hmmm, spoke with Mark about 2 weeks ago and there is definitely something brewing. I’d rather he make comments as pertains to progress/ availability because after all, he will have the final say on the product.
post #8022 of 9372
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Originally Posted by Scottyp3 View Post

Would a sub hp be overkill for a 13 x 16 sealed room?
Nope. My room is 12.5x9.5 and I have a sealed room with an HP. So go for it. You will have quite the experience.
post #8023 of 9372
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Originally Posted by Dbuudo07 View Post

Has there been any word on the Submersive XL (dual opposed 18" drivers)? Any at all...

I posted an update that is still applicable on my forum about 2 weeks ago.
post #8024 of 9372
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Originally Posted by nb67 View Post

Hmmm, spoke with Mark about 2 weeks ago and there is definitely something brewing. I’d rather he make comments as pertains to progress/ availability because after all, he will have the final say on the product.

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Originally Posted by Mark Seaton View Post

I posted an update that is still applicable on my forum about 2 weeks ago.

Thanks guys! I hope the Submersive XL does happen in the not too distant future, but I'm also intrigued by the 5'8" tall F4.
post #8025 of 9372

Can't seem to find any info on the F4. Anyone care to provide some details? Thanks.

post #8026 of 9372
I think the F4 is going to be along the same lines as the F2... times 2. I could be wrong though, so Mark will have to confirm.
post #8027 of 9372
Will the current HP/F2 amp be used in the F4?
post #8028 of 9372
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Originally Posted by Kain View Post

Will the current HP/F2 amp be used in the F4?

It will use a bigger eek.gif amp
post #8029 of 9372
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Originally Posted by Scottyp3 View Post

Would a sub hp be overkill for a 13 x 16 sealed room?

I just added a SubM HP in a 13'(w) x 15'(l) x 8'(h) room and it is nothing short of remarkable for both HT and music.
post #8030 of 9372
I have a SubM 1k in a 11,1/2 x 16 x7,1/2 ft area in my basement and its just crazy how good it fills that space !!!,
post #8031 of 9372
I have a question about adding a 3rd Submersive HP.

I currently have 2 Submersive HP's each at approximately the half-way point of the side walls. I am interested in adding a 3rd to the rear of the room. My total space is about 2800 cubic feet. I am using an Integra 80.3 and use Audessey XT 32 for equalization and do not have omnimic or other measurement tools yet but I do plan on picking them up prior to the third sub.

I understand that adding a 3rd at at the back of the room should help smooth the frequency response, but I am also looking to increase dbs at very low frequencies. Will adding a 3rd at a 3rd separate location help to do this or do I need to start stacking them? Should I go for four and have 2 stacked on each side wall or 3 at 3 separate locations? I understand that measurements are in order but can anyone hear speak from general experience on this point? Also, what is the best way to get deep into that bottom octave at high dbs?

By the way, I just bought a stack of 4" roxul rht60 and 2" OC 703 FRK. I am going to be making 6" bass traps for the top corners of my room to also help smooth the frequency response. I am going to stack the 2" FRK on top of the 4" roxul with the FRK facing out to make 6" thick traps.

I appreciate any comments!

Thanks.
post #8032 of 9372
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Originally Posted by yosh7 View Post

I have a question about adding a 3rd Submersive HP.

I currently have 2 Submersive HP's each at approximately the half-way point of the side walls. I am interested in adding a 3rd to the rear of the room. My total space is about 2800 cubic feet. I am using an Integra 80.3 and use Audessey XT 32 for equalization and do not have omnimic or other measurement tools yet but I do plan on picking them up prior to the third sub.

I understand that adding a 3rd at at the back of the room should help smooth the frequency response, but I am also looking to increase dbs at very low frequencies. Will adding a 3rd at a 3rd separate location help to do this or do I need to start stacking them? Should I go for four and have 2 stacked on each side wall or 3 at 3 separate locations? I understand that measurements are in order but can anyone hear speak from general experience on this point? Also, what is the best way to get deep into that bottom octave at high dbs?

By the way, I just bought a stack of 4" roxul rht60 and 2" OC 703 FRK. I am going to be making 6" bass traps for the top corners of my room to also help smooth the frequency response. I am going to stack the 2" FRK on top of the 4" roxul with the FRK facing out to make 6" thick traps.

I appreciate any comments!

Thanks.
Yosh7,

"...do not have omnimic or other measurement tools yet but I do plan on picking them up prior to the third sub."

This ^^^ should be your first action taken. Before you get another sub, you should be sure you've optimized your current system. If you have them at opposite mid-walls, you'll probably get pretty smooth response, but you'll not see a lot of room reinforcement of the bass. You could try them in opposite front/rear corners. That should provide significantly more room reinforcement, and may or may not provide smooth response. I have my 3 SubM's randomly placed around my room. Bottom line, you'll absolutely NEED some measurement capability to optimize your subs, whether you have 2 or 3.

You can review my process of integrating my subs here: http://www.avsforum.com/t/759877/seaton-sound-submersive1/4500#post_19446901

Craig
post #8033 of 9372
Not real sure where to ask.

Curious to know what the difference would be, as far as sound goes, between watching a movie on say HBO in HD through my cable dvr box in Dolby Digital 5.1 versus watching that same movie on Blu-Ray?

The reason I ask in this thread is because I am mainly curious if there are differences in the low octaves, and just what similar differences may be? Thanks (sorry if it is wrong place for this question)
post #8034 of 9372
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Originally Posted by mphfrom77 View Post

Not real sure where to ask.

Curious to know what the difference would be, as far as sound goes, between watching a movie on say HBO in HD through my cable dvr box in Dolby Digital 5.1 versus watching that same movie on Blu-Ray?

The reason I ask in this thread is because I am mainly curious if there are differences in the low octaves, and just what similar differences may be? Thanks (sorry if it is wrong place for this question)

I would suspect that the streaming DD 5.1 track would be somewhat compressed at a lower bitrate (maybe 384 or 448kbps) which would make a difference versus the lossless BD track.
post #8035 of 9372
Quote:
Originally Posted by mphfrom77 View Post

Not real sure where to ask.

Curious to know what the difference would be, as far as sound goes, between watching a movie on say HBO in HD through my cable dvr box in Dolby Digital 5.1 versus watching that same movie on Blu-Ray?

The reason I ask in this thread is because I am mainly curious if there are differences in the low octaves, and just what similar differences may be? Thanks (sorry if it is wrong place for this question)

 

The main difference of course is that the cable sound is DD 5.1 whereas the BD sound is (usually) one of the lossless codecs - Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD MA. 

 

Here in the UK my satellite TV service gives me full-fat DD 5.1 sound on movies etc and I can hear no difference at all between the 5.1 off the satellite TV and 5.1 off a DVD. YMMV in the US of course.

post #8036 of 9372
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Originally Posted by craig john View Post

Yosh7,

"...do not have omnimic or other measurement tools yet but I do plan on picking them up prior to the third sub."

This ^^^ should be your first action taken. Before you get another sub, you should be sure you've optimized your current system. If you have them at opposite mid-walls, you'll probably get pretty smooth response, but you'll not see a lot of room reinforcement of the bass. You could try them in opposite front/rear corners. That should provide significantly more room reinforcement, and may or may not provide smooth response. I have my 3 SubM's randomly placed around my room. Bottom line, you'll absolutely NEED some measurement capability to optimize your subs, whether you have 2 or 3.

You can review my process of integrating my subs here: http://www.avsforum.com/t/759877/seaton-sound-submersive1/4500#post_19446901

Craig

Craig - Thanks so much for the reply and advice. I will look into getting the omnimic to measure where I am at. Also, thanks for the link to your process for integrating your subs.
post #8037 of 9372
So does the subwoofer channel goes as low on cable movies as it would on blu-ray?
post #8038 of 9372
Quote:
Originally Posted by yosh7 View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by craig john View Post

Yosh7,

"...do not have omnimic or other measurement tools yet but I do plan on picking them up prior to the third sub."

This ^^^ should be your first action taken. Before you get another sub, you should be sure you've optimized your current system. If you have them at opposite mid-walls, you'll probably get pretty smooth response, but you'll not see a lot of room reinforcement of the bass. You could try them in opposite front/rear corners. That should provide significantly more room reinforcement, and may or may not provide smooth response. I have my 3 SubM's randomly placed around my room. Bottom line, you'll absolutely NEED some measurement capability to optimize your subs, whether you have 2 or 3.

You can review my process of integrating my subs here: http://www.avsforum.com/t/759877/seaton-sound-submersive1/4500#post_19446901

Craig

Craig - Thanks so much for the reply and advice. I will look into getting the omnimic to measure where I am at. Also, thanks for the link to your process for integrating your subs.

 

You might also want to consider REW which is more powerful and flexible than OmniMic. The latest version of REW only requires a single HDMI connection to the laptop. A suitable, individually calibrated mic is about $100 so that also makes REW the cheaper option (the software is free).

Check out the new REW thread linked in my sig for more details and plenty of help and advice.

post #8039 of 9372
REW is considerably more flexible than OmniMic BUT, even with the new USB upgrades, still requires more work to begin using in most cases.

But if you work through those issues, great product!
post #8040 of 9372
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Originally Posted by audioguy View Post

REW is considerably more flexible than OmniMic BUT, even with the new USB upgrades, still requires more work to begin using in most cases.

But if you work through those issues, great product!

 

Keep in mind that USB mics and HDMI are mutually exclusive.  Setting up REW with legacy RCA connections and a USB mic is "marginally" more work than setting up OM until you consider that you need a playback device for the OM test tones and then I would say it's virtually the same.  Now getting REW and HDMI connections to work on a particular laptop... wink.gif

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