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post #8881 of 9388
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Originally Posted by HTPCat View Post


I went from a SVS PB12 +/2 to a single HP+ & then added a slave. I asked the same thing and several people said that the PB12 +/2 wouldn't be able to keep up and would be very difficult to play well together .... I tested for myself anyways and they were of course right just couldn't keep up - I sold it for about two-thirds the cost of a new slave biggrin.gif.

Thanks for the info. I'm starting to think I won't bother trying. Just go with the Seaton, and when I want MOAR I'll add a slave.
post #8882 of 9388
Just ordered an HP+ with Slave unit last week. Can't wait to get those setup in my room!
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Congrats! Please share your thoughts once you receive them and get them dialed in.
I just checked out the pics of your HT - Very VERY NICE!! cool.gifeek.gif
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Dang gents! I had a generous offer to add dual JTR Orbit Shifters in March but I literally just can't fit them in my tiny room with two submersives, 3 JTR 212 mains, 2 JTR Triple 8 surrounds, AV rack, etc...I have been mulling over the possibilities bit it would just not work frown.gif
post #8885 of 9388
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Originally Posted by damelon View Post

Just ordered an HP+ with Slave unit last week. Can't wait to get those setup in my room!

Wow!!! BEAUTIFUL theater and home!!! I am going to have fun going through your build thread smile.gif
post #8886 of 9388
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Originally Posted by damelon View Post

Just ordered an HP+ with Slave unit last week. Can't wait to get those setup in my room!

Please report back on what you think of them. You have a beautiful home and home theater room. Your theater would definitely be brought to another level with a full Seaton Sound set-up biggrin.gif

Your house is absolutely beautiful. Where do you live if you don't mind me asking? Here in Nassau County, Long Island, New York, VERY few houses are anywhere near that caliber and the ones that are cost MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS!!! eek.gif The cost of living over here is beyond ridiculous.
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Never mind damelon, just saw it under your avatar lol
post #8888 of 9388
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Originally Posted by Bunga99 View Post

Congrats! Please share your thoughts once you receive them and get them dialed in.
I just checked out the pics of your HT - Very VERY NICE!! cool.gifeek.gif

Thank you! smile.gif
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

Wow!!! BEAUTIFUL theater and home!!! I am going to have fun going through your build thread smile.gif

It's a long thread, but it was one of many that BIG helped with, so you can count on a lot of detailed info about how we put it all together. Can't believe it has been two years already! I really need to add a table of contents. It would have been smart of me to reserve the #2 post too to add it later so people could easily jump to important sections.
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Originally Posted by Blackdevil77 View Post

Please report back on what you think of them. You have a beautiful home and home theater room. Your theater would definitely be brought to another level with a full Seaton Sound set-up biggrin.gif

Your house is absolutely beautiful. Where do you live if you don't mind me asking? Here in Nassau County, Long Island, New York, VERY few houses are anywhere near that caliber and the ones that are cost MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS!!! eek.gif The cost of living over here is beyond ridiculous.

Oh I will. I've been mulling over the sub upgrade for quite some time. I read a lot and knew from the beginning it would be the Submersives or some JTRs. People already pushing for me to look into new speakers too! :P I don't think I need them yet, I just wanted a little more Oomph! I also have gotten some criticism about not ever measuring the room. I have the mic and all just haven't done it. I may still just buy the Omnimic kit to make it easier, because my first trials at REW were painful, and I'm a computer guy. I could have tried harder, but I gave up quickly that day. Supposedly the speakers should ship next week but we'll see. The Axiom subs were nice but I needed just a bit more power in my current room for my tastes!

Yeah, I'm in Woodbridge, VA. Hardly a spot anyone would mention as being a luxury area to be sure. You take land anywhere you can find it in Northern Virginia. It's a nice house, and the 3D renders of course make the cleared grass look much bigger than it is. Still, we have a lot of trees and a hilly yard, and our grass is really just some grass-shaped weeds wink.gif But we want to turn it into a cool patio area, it is just slow paced. We're getting there. It's a nice house though, I like living there. We have great neighbors too, which is really important.
post #8889 of 9388
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Originally Posted by Mark Seaton View Post

Most shipments are through one of FedEx's divisions and generally a tracking number is sent through FedEx when the shipment is picked up. Occasionally I have seen spam filters catch e-mails. For those receiving 2 or more SubMersive HP's, including the limited run, textured black models, we use FedEx Freight which will call to schedule a delivery time 1-3 days before delivery. Barring major weather delays, now that we are past Christmas the delivery times are pretty accurate, especially if you verify the tracking again the following morning after the package is picked up which allows the system time to update from any auto-generated messages the day before. Of course if there are any questions on a specific order don't hesitate to e-mail us.
Does beat the Empire and then some. Excellent packaging. Black oak is beautiful. Thanks and a healthy and blessed year to all you folks. This sub has me grinning like a friggin chick. Just wow! One love people!biggrin.gif
post #8890 of 9388
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Originally Posted by falzpozitive View Post

Is there any downside to purchasing the subm/slave combo as opposed to 2 subms (other than no gain control on the slave)?

According to Mark, DB wise, no. The benefits of the dual subM vs Master/Slave are future upgrade capabilities and placement. If you do front/back subs it is smarter to get 2 SubMs, if you get master slave it makes more sense to have them in the space area (Like both on the front wall) Plus if you do a front/back you can upgrade to future ones too later (Assuming you get the "+" Models) for future slaves.
post #8891 of 9388
There’s one thing that is not all that big of a deal but it seems to get overlooked with the HP+ and Slave option. That is…you can put the SubM Slave box anywhere you would like (pending in-room response). You don’t have to worry about having an electrical outlet in the area you are placing the slave box. This option came in handy in my room. I know you can just get an electrician to come out and add more outlets but its nice not having to worry about it.
post #8892 of 9388
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Originally Posted by falzpozitive View Post

Is there any downside to purchasing the subm/slave combo as opposed to 2 subms (other than no gain control on the slave)?
If your receiver or pre/pro has dual subwoofer outputs that are actually "dual," (as opposed to just an internal Y connection), and you can set different levels and distances for each sub... you won't be able to take advantage of those features with the SubM/slave combo. How important is that? IMO, not very...

Setting different levels for each sub, (i.e., "level-matching"), is the wrong method to use for dual subs. Gain-matching, which is what you get with the SubM/slave combo, is the correct method.

Setting different distances for each sub can potentially be useful, but, if you plan to keep the 2 subs relatively equidistant to the primary listening position, you probably don't need to set different distances anyway.

Bottom line, the only real downside to the SubM/slave combo is if you want to place the subs at different relative distances to the listening position, AND your receiver or pre/pro allows you set different distances for each sub output, in which case, you won't be able to compensate for the different physical distances.

Other than that, there is no significant downside to the SubM/slave combo as opposed to two SubM's. I wish it had been available when I was buying subs. I would have bought 2 Masters and 2 Slaves.

Craig
post #8893 of 9388
Just upgraded my 2 f2's to,f2+'s and ordered to slaves to go with. Only downside I see is I don't have money for another set of f2's smile.gif
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Originally Posted by morrischestnut60 View Post

Does beat the Empire and then some. Excellent packaging. Black oak is beautiful. Thanks and a healthy and blessed year to all you folks. This sub has me grinning like a friggin chick. Just wow! One love people!biggrin.gif

Welcome to the fraternity mdm1699 morrischestnut60. Happy New Year to you as well.

Craig
post #8896 of 9388
Question for Craig john

When you gain matched your three submersive hp did the level control on each sub end up being in same position ?

Also you mention the mic being 1" to 2" away from sub when gain matching. Do you also center the mic in the middle of speaker ?

When i get to that stage I am going to try your gain matching set up you used on your Marantz 8801. I have the 80.3

I will have one sub upfront and one in back of room and let Audyssey set the distance for each sub since I am using both sub outputs. They are not equal distance from mlp

Finally got my room treated properly $$$ and almost ready to get my 3 Cat 12s and 4 Cat 8s working again. Had this system for a year now but only used it 10 times . 2013 was not a good year for me so looking forward to 2014 and enjoying my Seaton speakers.

Just have to learn how to use my omni mic and read the graphs proper.

Mike
post #8897 of 9388
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Originally Posted by akbash View Post

Question for Craig john

When you gain matched your three submersive hp did the level control on each sub end up being in same position ?
The "detents" on the sub amp gain controls are slightly different and don't line up exactly the same on all 3 of my SubM's. The differences are slight, but each of the 3 subs ended up with very slightly different settings. If you don't want to go to the trouble of measuring them individually, you'll be within a dB or 2 by just setting them to the same gain positions. Still, the most accurate way is to measure them.
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Also you mention the mic being 1" to 2" away from sub when gain matching. Do you also center the mic in the middle of speaker ?
Yes, center of the driver.
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When i get to that stage I am going to try your gain matching set up you used on your Marantz 8801. I have the 80.3

I will have one sub upfront and one in back of room and let Audyssey set the distance for each sub since I am using both sub outputs. They are not equal distance from mlp
Audyssey uses "level-matching" so you will also likely end up with different trim settings for each of the subs. To get back to "gain-matching after running Audyssey, you need to "split the difference" in the trim settings. For example, if Audyssey sets the front sub to -8 and the rear sub to -4, split the difference and set both subs to -6.
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Finally got my room treated properly $$$ and almost ready to get my 3 Cat 12s and 4 Cat 8s working again. Had this system for a year now but only used it 10 times . 2013 was not a good year for me so looking forward to 2014 and enjoying my Seaton speakers.

Just have to learn how to use my omni mic and read the graphs proper.

Mike

That should be an incredible system. Enjoy! And I hope 2014 is better than 2013!

If you want some help with OmniMic, post your graphs and we'll try to help you out.

Craig
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My SubM is on order and I want to have the XLR signal cable from my processor ready when it arrives. Sorry if this is a silly question but is the connection on the SubM require a male or female XLR connector?
post #8899 of 9388
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Originally Posted by gdfein View Post

My SubM is on order and I want to have the XLR signal cable from my processor ready when it arrives. Sorry if this is a silly question but is the connection on the SubM require a male or female XLR connector?

Submersive already comes with a xlr/rca cable that will plug into your subwoofer RCA cable.
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My processor maranta 8801 has dual XLR subwoofer outputs that take female 3 pin at the processor so I think I need an Cable with XLR at both ends not one that converts to RCA on the processor end.

So I know what end is needed at the processor, but what I am wondering is if the connection into the SubM requires a cable with a male connector at the SubM or a female end.
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post #8902 of 9388
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Originally Posted by gdfein View Post

My processor maranta 8801 has dual XLR subwoofer outputs that take female 3 pin at the processor so I think I need an Cable with XLR at both ends not one that converts to RCA on the processor end.

So I know what end is needed at the processor, but what I am wondering is if the connection into the SubM requires a cable with a male connector at the SubM or a female end.
It's opposite to the amp end
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Matthewa - Thanks....well that is only logical considering the SubM is the AMP.

I should have thought of that so sorry if this was a silly question. Instead I spent a half-hour looking for SubM pictures that showed the connection clear enough that I could tell with no success.

Thanks again!

G.
post #8904 of 9388
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Originally Posted by damelon View Post

Just ordered an HP+ with Slave unit last week. Can't wait to get those setup in my room!

John, the bass in that theater of yours sounded great with the Axiom Subs and that Man of Steel demo had us sucked in. Now that you have stepped up to Submersives, your room is about to be elevated to new heights in terms of bass. My HP+ Master/Slave subs are still in boxes, as my processor is out for a v4.0 upgrade. But, after owning two Submersive F2 HP's in my room before, I have a great idea of what to expect. In your room, I suspect you'll get a bit more "oomph" from the Submersives in terms of volume, even with your rear treatments (you did NOT over-treat, I guarantee) and the bass will be more taut, when called for.

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OK I will admit I did not read through all 297 pages in this thread so forgive me if this has been answered. I can't seem to find a lot of info about the submersive HP around the web, Seaton doesn't seem to have a functioning website, no professional reviews anywhere, can't even seem to find a list of their products with pictures and specs. Am I missing something?
post #8906 of 9388
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Originally Posted by elbobo19 View Post

OK I will admit I did not read through all 297 pages in this thread so forgive me if this has been answered. I can't seem to find a lot of info about the submersive HP around the web, Seaton doesn't seem to have a functioning website, no professional reviews anywhere, can't even seem to find a list of their products with pictures and specs. Am I missing something?
Here is the main forum site:
http://www.seaton-sound-forum.com/
You can find a lot of info on the SubMersive there. What sort of specific info were you looking for?
post #8907 of 9388
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Originally Posted by elbobo19 View Post

OK I will admit I did not read through all 297 pages in this thread so forgive me if this has been answered. I can't seem to find a lot of info about the submersive HP around the web, Seaton doesn't seem to have a functioning website, no professional reviews anywhere, can't even seem to find a list of their products with pictures and specs. Am I missing something?
You're just gonna hafta read all 297 pages of the thread. biggrin.gif

When you're done with that, you'll need to go to the Seaton Sound Forum and read that from start to finish.

When you're done with that, you'll have reached the end of the internet.

Maybe by that time, Mark's website will be done, (hint, hint), and you can start all over from there. biggrin.gif

Craig

PS. Seriously, is there something in particular you want to know?
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Well, no.

There are almost 9,000 posts here with really good stuff and Seaton's forum is pretty organized with all of the info you mention. The lack of bad press can be something to consider too.
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Originally Posted by MIkeDuke View Post

Here is the main forum site:
http://www.seaton-sound-forum.com/
You can find a lot of info on the SubMersive there. What sort of specific info were you looking for?

Dimensions, weight, finish options, wattage, costs. Do they have more than just submersive?

Also on the few pictures I have seen on google it looks all the hookups are on the left side, is that accurate? That would be a deal breaker for how my room is laid out.


edit - ok I see the specs on their forum

edit 2 - whoops I was really mistaken on this thing, I thought it was a single front firing sub not a dual opposed. The way my room is setup I would have to put it next to equipment stand with one of the drivers firing right towards the stand and tv, is that going to be a problem?
Edited by elbobo19 - 1/9/14 at 1:56pm
post #8910 of 9388
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Originally Posted by elbobo19 View Post

Dimensions, weight, finish options, wattage, costs. Do they have more than just submersive?

Also on the few pictures I have seen on google it looks all the hookups are on the left side, is that accurate? That would be a deal breaker for how my room is laid out.


edit - ok I see the specs on their forum

edit 2 - whoops I was really mistaken on this thing, I thought it was a single front firing sub not a dual opposed. The way my room is setup I would have to put it next to equipment stand with one of the drivers firing right towards the stand and tv, is that going to be a problem?
It really should not matter if one driver fires towards a TV stand. Many people have the driver firing into a wall. It really isn't an issue. But, if you can stand the height, and you are concerned about it firing into the stand you could always opt for the F2.
http://www.seaton-sound-forum.com/post/product-listing-availability-status-and-pricing-3364736 (scroll down to the F2 section
http://www.seaton-sound-forum.com/post/submersive-hp-f2-masterslave-option-6453864
I should say that it looks like there is going to be a price increase that will be in full effect March 1st.
http://www.seaton-sound-forum.com/post/2014-price-increases-6657446
But the F2 is more of a vertical box with both drivers facing forward. The SubMersive in any form is a formidable sub woofer and even at the price increase, is still a strong contender regardless of price.
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