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post #61 of 1200
Logitech's MediaBoard doesn't appear to have PS3 buttons (e.g., triangle, etc.). It just looks like a generic keyboard. What makes it PS3 specific?
post #62 of 1200
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Originally Posted by kenchi View Post

Bob-
did you ever figure this double jumping issue out yet? (or anyone?) thx


Sorry for the late response, been out of town. Yes I did finally fix the jumping issue, but I haven't figured it out. Unfortunately it was a matter of trial and error where I just sat in front of my TV with my laptop and just forced the remote to learn the commands over and over until they finally work. If you do it enough times, eventually the damn thing will send a code to the Harmony that dosen't cause it to jump on the screen.

To answer your other question. When you go into the screen to learn commands, there is an advanced mode option (can't remember what they call it, but there is a button on the bottom of that screen that will take you to the advanced mode). In this screen you can select to learn command as raw data. That's the option you need as it was the only way for my Harmony to learn the directional buttons.
post #63 of 1200
I used the dongle from Radio Shack ($11) and a used GameStop remote ($3), learned the codes into my pronto, customized the buttons, and it works flawlessly. It would be nice if they did build something PS3 specific but for the interim this works like a charm. The only item my setup is lacking are the PS specific buttons (triangle, square, etc..) as the remote I found doesn't have those. I'm going to source an original PS2 w/IR in the near term but for now I have full control over the movies which is primarily what I wanted it for. Good cheap alternative!!
post #64 of 1200
What we need is a Harmony 1000 that will do RF, Bluetooth and IR. I hope Logitech is working on this already.
post #65 of 1200
I have not been successful with this so far. I have purchased the radioshack adapter, I'm using an original Sony brand remote and ir dongle, But with now success. I even point the original Sony ir remote at the dongle when playing a movie and not a single button works. Is there some type of configuration that I need to do? I have the adapter plugged in to the first usb on the front. I have it plugged in from startup. The ps3 was updated today.
post #66 of 1200
Not sure why this isn't working for you. It should be plug and play and I too have mine in USB 1. Not trying to be a smart a$$ but did you check the batteries in the remote? If it's been sitting for awhile they may need to be refreshed. Other than that check to ensure everything is seated completely. If it still isn't working, you may have a faulty remote or IR receiver. You could remedy the remote issue by downloading the IR codes from remote central and import them into your universal and try that. If you are still having issues, I'd go to Gamestop and get a new remote/ir.
post #67 of 1200
I bought a "Pega PS2 controller to PS3 USB adapter" and a completely generic Chinese PS2 "Slim DVD Remote Control" with IR receiver, and they seem to work about as well as the official Sony remote and Radio Shack adapter (no Power on, no eject, directional keys work in DVD mode, shape keys always work, etc.). For reference/pictures, you view them on eBay:
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I'm going to try to program my Harmony with this remote's codes later this week, since I don't think they are the same as the Sony remote.

I agree with everyone else that Sony or a third party should create a small IR adapter for the PS3 supporting all of the BR remote functions. The adapter, IR dongle, and limitations of the PS2 remote codes just aren't very elegant when applied to a PS3.

There is a problem with this solution that the PS3 always assigns the IR dongle to be "controller #1", in case that is an issue for people.
post #68 of 1200
I went out and bought the odds and ends that are needed to make my PS3 IR friendly with my HTM MX-500 learning remote. Everything worked according to the plan EXCEPT the MX-500 refuses to learn the arrow keys. I've tried over and over and I've also tried learning them to various points on the MX-500...

Any thoughts as to what the issue might be?
post #69 of 1200
Lee, I had the exact same issue programming into my Pronto. What I did was go to remote central, download several of the files that had the PS2 file included and tried each one till I found one that worked. I then copied the files into mine and it now works flawlessly.
post #70 of 1200
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Originally Posted by Lee Bombard View Post

I went out and bought the odds and ends that are needed to make my PS3 IR friendly with my HTM MX-500 learning remote. Everything worked according to the plan EXCEPT the MX-500 refuses to learn the arrow keys. I've tried over and over and I've also tried learning them to various points on the MX-500...

Any thoughts as to what the issue might be?

My Mx-500 wouldn't learn the left & right arrow keys. This link has a method about half way down called "Duck Blind". It worked for me and now I have them programmed. My MX-500 liked to use the "Duck Blind" method with a DVD case and the remotes close together. http://www.remotecentral.com/features/irtips.htm
post #71 of 1200
Well the "blind duck" method was a partial success...

The left and right arrows have been learned but for the life of me I can not get it to learn the up and down arrows.

All other suggestions welcome.
post #72 of 1200
I encountered the same problem as others with regards to being unable to initially get the directional arrow keys programmed to work properly on a Harmony 880 remote control. Thanks to all the posts here I was able to get the remote to learn these keys in "Raw" mode. It's working great. Picked up a used PS2 remote with IR receiver from EB Games for $5 and adapter from Radio Shack for $11. I had a little effort figuring out how to program in raw mode however. For others that might read this you need to get into the device screen where it allows you to learn remote commands from your old remote control device. At the very bottom of the screen to learn the keys is an option button labeled "Custom". Select custom then you'll see a new screen come up that has a feature labeled "Learn Raw ...".

I do have one question that I was hoping someone might have an answer. Anybody know how to remap keys to have one key on the remote programmed to perform two independent actions across two devices. I previously had my standard DVD player setup so that when I pressed the PLAY button it played the DVD but also dimmed the lights on my Grafik Eye. Since the std function of the play button on the remote already had the play function internally set all I had to do was essentially program the key to add an action to select a lighting scene on the Grafik Eye device. Since I've remapped the PLAY key now for the PS3 to PLAY I'm not sure how to set the same key to also add a second function to control the Grafik Eye. Anybody know if this is possible?
post #73 of 1200
Thought I would sign up and offer some help. I, too had the "direction button" problem (namely, they wouldn't do anything). I decided to try and fix the problem. I dug out the old PS2 remote, and began to experiment. I found that it would control the menus, but sporadically. I tried to learn the commands as raw, but had no luck. The Harmony interface told me that it learned the commands, but nothing would happen when I tried the direction buttons on my 880. Time to try again. This time, I put some FRESH batteries in the PS2 remote - it was controlling the menus perfectly. Went through the learning/programming successfully, and tried out the 880. Had the same problems others reportes - one push of the button would result in the selected icons scrolling all the way across. I tried setting the repeats lower. No luck. I grabbed the PS2 remote to see how it worked. I found that one quick push would give me the next icon, while holding the button for anything longer than a split second would duplicate the scrolling the 880 was giving me. Hmmmmm - I think I am on to something! Went back to learn the commands again, this time pressing and releasing the direction buttons on the PS2 VERY QUICKLY! I didn't change the repeats. Did the update, and tested. Result: the 880 now controls all menu functions perfectly. I also mapped "circle" to the "OK" button to use in the menus.

To sum up:
1. Use fresh batteries in the PS2 remote
2. Learn the direction commands as RAW
3. Press and release the direction buttons VERY QUICKLY when learning the commands (practice the time using the PS2 controller in the BD PS3 menus)

Hope this helps some people out...
BTW, great forum.
post #74 of 1200
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Originally Posted by ODG View Post

So...if Logitech has a USB dongle to communicate between PS3 and its keyboard via RF, can we assume that something is in the works to allow the Harmony remotes (i.e., 880 and 1000 w/ RF capabilities), to also work w/ PS3 via RF?

The USB dongle is obviously appearing to the PS3 *as* a keyboard (like plugging in a USB keyboard to the USB port). The dongle has the firmware necessary to convert the RF codes received from the actual keyboard into USB-HID-specification keyboard commands that any USB-keyboard-capable device (PC, PS3, etc) would be able to understand.

It wouldn't take much on Sony's part to make an update that allows USB IR transceivers to be plugged in, and then accept certain remote codes (most likely the PS2 remote's IR codes, or a new, yet-to-be-created PS3-specific remote's codes). That would remove the need for the (IMHO) hackish connection involving a PS2-to-USB adapter. What would be even nicer is just a dongle about the size of a flash drive that has an IR window on the end.

It would also be possible to allow the USB port to turn the PS3 on and off. I don't think it actually turns off, just goes into a deep power save mode. There are ACPI standards that allow the USB devices to wake the machine from power save mode, and obviously turning it off should be even more simple. Just keep in mind that the PS3 is nothing but a specialized computer (you can install Linux on it, for example). It all just comes down to Sony not releasing that capability, when it is very much possible to do.

I agree with everyone else that this is would definitely be useful and it sucks that Sony is screwing us out of any such capability. And it is definitely something that Sony could *easily* add, since it can download automatic updates from the company. All they need is a driver. If they really wanted to make their customers happy, they'd allow at least a certain subset of currently-marketed USB IR dongles, and then create a configuration interface that allows the PS3 to learn IR codes from another remote and assign those buttons to specific features of the interface. It's all possible, they just want to take your money for the bluetooth remote. Which is pretty sad considering how much money their customers have paid for the PS3 to begin with
post #75 of 1200
If their only intention is to take your money for a bluetooth remote, then that explains the controller as well. I mean, it's bluetooth. How dare they? They could have made it Infrared. Like half of the Wii-mote. Has anyone considered a bluetooth universal remote that converts signals to IR using blasters for all your old antique equipment?
post #76 of 1200
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Originally Posted by Lee Bombard View Post

Well the "blind duck" method was a partial success...

The left and right arrows have been learned but for the life of me I can not get it to learn the up and down arrows.

All other suggestions welcome.

MX-500 users give this a try it worked for me to get the arrow keys to work.

1)hold the arrow key(up,down,left,right) on the sony remote and don't release it.
2)get the MX-500 is in "ready" mode and keep pushing the arrow key on the mx-500 real quick (it will just keep displaying "ready") while holding the arrow key on the sony(remember don't release the sony arrow key).
3)then after about 10 quck pushes on the mx-500 release the mx-500 key and it will display "good".

This worked for all my arrow keys.
post #77 of 1200
Just a quick update...
i was finally able to learn the remaining arrows by borrowing another PS2 remote from a friend at work. With this remote the two other arrow keys learned without any additional hassle. I'm not sure what the difference was between the two PS2 remotes but it did the trick.

Thanks to everyone for their kind suggestions and assistance.

Regards,
Lee
post #78 of 1200
My memory isn't what it used to be but..

I bought the PS2 remote for my PS2 a looong time ago before I bought a stand alone DVD player. I remember when I finally bought my standalone Sony DVD player I could have sworn that my PS2 remote actually worked for my Sony DVD when it came to using the navigation buttons as well with play, pause etc etc. Sony from my understanding is really good about using the same codes/remotes for all of thier TV's and of course DVD players. This I believe is also true about the PS2 remote as well.

Since I sold my PS2 and remote a long time ago and don't own a PS3 maybe someone can test it out? Just program your universal remote for a Sony DVD player since you have a PS2 IR dongle in and see what happens?


Dregun
post #79 of 1200
Just found a quick article that might shed some light on it. But unfortunately cannot post links just yet.

The article I found was on gaming age and was a review of the PS2 remote.

When I had the remote I had to install a driver like it says in this article, I don't think its a firmware update just the information on how to decode what is being sent to the IR receiver.

Dregun
post #80 of 1200
If you wanted to use IR commands to navigate the PS3 menu outside of the movie player, couldn't one just buy an IR keyboard, plug in the USB dongle and learn the keyboard codes, and then have a little more functionality to control the PS3?
post #81 of 1200
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Originally Posted by agarg View Post

If you wanted to use IR commands to navigate the PS3 menu outside of the movie player, couldn't one just buy an IR keyboard, plug in the USB dongle and learn the keyboard codes, and then have a little more functionality to control the PS3?

The idea is to integrate PS3 functionality with the rest of one's IR based home theater (i.e. universal remotes, repeaters, macros etc...). There is already a PS3 remote, it just isn't IR which makes it an odd man out in the home theater world.
post #82 of 1200
What I meant was the PS2 remote solution doesn't function in the PS3 XMB, while the keyboard solution would. And the keyboard maps almost all of the controller buttons. and if you had an IR keyboard, you could have your Universal Remote learn those IR signals from the keyboard, and send them to the keyboard's USB dongle attached to the PS3. You still can't turn the unit on/off unfortunately, but you can control the PS3 a little more with your universal remote, including the music and photo functions.
post #83 of 1200
Actually I was also thinking, granted it might be extreme, that I might try to build a mechanical device that sits on the PS3 that I can trigger via IR to turn it on and off (or alternatively open the ps3 panel and attach a trigger electronically on the inside of the PS3), and therefore I'd be all set along with the keyboard solution. Might be fun, too.
post #84 of 1200
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Originally Posted by agarg View Post

Actually I was also thinking, granted it might be extreme, that I might try to build a mechanical device that sits on the PS3 that I can trigger via IR to turn it on and off (or alternatively open the ps3 panel and attach a trigger electronically on the inside of the PS3), and therefore I'd be all set along with the keyboard solution. Might be fun, too.

Ah, I see where you were going with that.

For on/off you might check out the Xir Remote mod for the original Xbox. This is used to provide on/off for the remote (generally people with modded boxes using it for Xbox Media Center and streaming files). They have firmware, programmers, diagrams, kits and customization stuff. If nothing else it may give you some ideas. http://xir.us/
post #85 of 1200
Thanks for the tip. I think, however, I have some stuff lying around from an old project I did in school, and also think I have a good circuit design of my own that should work, but who knows, its been so long since I've done any circuit design. I found one problem with using a mechanical device (I want to avoid opening the PS3 if possible), in that the front panel of the PS3 doesn't work by tactile force, but rather I believe works like a touch pad sensing a change in capacitance. This could work in my favor if I can build a circuit that just has a wire touching the front panel and have that be switched by either a relay or a transistor to some triggering load. I can throw that load onto a 555 timer output and hopefully use that to turn the PS3 on and off.
post #86 of 1200
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Originally Posted by jayoldschool View Post

I also mapped "circle" to the "OK" button to use in the menus.

Jay, what did you gain from this? "Circle" is used to stop BD playback. Thanks.
post #87 of 1200
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Originally Posted by Ronnie 1.8 View Post

Jay, what did you gain from this? "Circle" is used to stop BD playback. Thanks.

Perhaps I have my mapping mixed up going from memory. What button on the PS2 remote "selects" things? That is what I would have mapped to the OK button on the 880. I use "info" to bring up the BD menu while watching a movie, the arrow keys to scroll, and the OK button in the middle of the arrows to select that icon. For example, the "i+" icon that brings up the data about the MPEG, the audio and the time remaining.

Let me know if you want me to double check.

The most important thing is learning the correct commands from the original remote. As I said before, I found the mapping from Remote Central to be incorrect, and the pre-loaded codes in the Harmony database didn't work either.

Since my long post above, I am happy to report that my 880 is working perfectly, and I never have to use my PS3 controller for movies. I also deleted other users on my PS3, so inserting a BD or DVD causes the PS3 to turn on, and go directly to the movie's menu screen, bypassing any need to even touch the controller.

I hope this helps,
Jason.
post #88 of 1200
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Originally Posted by jayoldschool View Post

Perhaps I have my mapping mixed up going from memory. What button on the PS2 remote "selects" things? That is what I would have mapped to the OK button on the 880. I use "info" to bring up the BD menu while watching a movie, the arrow keys to scroll, and the OK button in the middle of the arrows to select that icon. For example, the "i+" icon that brings up the data about the MPEG, the audio and the time remaining.

Let me know if you want me to double check.

The most important thing is learning the correct commands from the original remote. As I said before, I found the mapping from Remote Central to be incorrect, and the pre-loaded codes in the Harmony database didn't work either.

Since my long post above, I am happy to report that my 880 is working perfectly, and I never have to use my PS3 controller for movies. I also deleted other users on my PS3, so inserting a BD or DVD causes the PS3 to turn on, and go directly to the movie's menu screen, bypassing any need to even touch the controller.

I hope this helps,
Jason.

The button I use to say "OK" is the 'x'. I use it to select.

The power button (or PS3 controller) still needs to be touched to turn-off the PS3 when you are finished with a movie, though, right?

I tried learning in raw my directional buttons several times. They do work **IF** I select a given directional button very deliberately. If I try to push a button in quick succession, then it skips several selections. I've tried various settings for repeating (0-5, or something like that), and also for inter-key settings (0 milliseconds to default 500 milliseconds). I can't find a combination of settings that allows me to hit a directional arrow "with enthusiasm" without skipping. Any suggestions?
post #89 of 1200
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Originally Posted by Ronnie 1.8 View Post

The button I use to say "OK" is the 'x'. I use it to select.

The power button (or PS3 controller) still needs to be touched to turn-off the PS3 when you are finished with a movie, though, right?

I tried learning in raw my directional buttons several times. They do work **IF** I select a given directional button very deliberately. If I try to push a button in quick succession, then it skips several selections. I've tried various settings for repeating (0-5, or something like that), and also for inter-key settings (0 milliseconds to default 500 milliseconds). I can't find a combination of settings that allows me to hit a directional arrow "with enthusiasm" without skipping. Any suggestions?

Yes, you still have to turn it off manually (or use the controller). I just hit "off" the next time I walk by.

Check my long post above for how I got the buttons to work for me. It took a couple of hours, and a few tries at learning RAW, but they work perfectly.
post #90 of 1200
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Originally Posted by jayoldschool View Post

Check my long post above for how I got the buttons to work for me. It took a couple of hours, and a few tries at learning RAW, but they work perfectly.

I did, in detail. Thank you for posting that. What I am specifically looking for are 2 PS3 device settings:

1) inter-key delay, measured in milliseconds
2) there is another device setting found under "troubleshooting", that ranges from 0-5. It is described as:

"If your device responds too slowly, or not at all when you press a button on the remote, increase the value to 4 or 5. If your device responds too quickly, lower the value to 2, 1 or 0."

For these 2 elements, what are your settings?
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