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post #241 of 5306
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I set up my A2 and I noticed it doesn't send 96khz pcm over HDMI. On my A1 as soon as a disc starts playing, 96Khz pcm 3/2.1 pops up. On the A2 it stays at multi channel in. There odes seem to be a difference in audio. The A2 is louder but I think it might sound a little better than the A1 since it send the PCM signal in 96khz. What does anyone else think? It does seem like a cheap design but I can't complain since it only cost me $360 from BB after discounts.

Can you clarify? With which player do you see the 96Khz message?

On the A1, all audio is sent at 24/96. When there is nothing to mix in, null data (i.e. zeros) is added. If you aren't seeing that 96Khz message with the A2, it may pass the signal unmodified when there is not interactive audio to mix in.

Can you try an IME title and see if you get a different message during the director commentary?
post #242 of 5306
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Originally Posted by PeterS View Post

Sure are. 10% this weekend 12% for Reward Zone.

However, Robert's is the MUCH better deal for the same price, plus 2 HD-DVDs and no sales tax or shipping!

I believe in most states you are still liable for sales tax to your state, so either the out-of-state mail-order / e-tailer collects it for you and sends it to your state, or you have to do that paperwork (e.g., often it's asked for on your state's income tax return).
post #243 of 5306
I just got my A2 and I have a few observations and questions.
1. It boots up must fast than the A1 unit and it looks much nicer.
2. It does not show the blue screen when it is doing the HDCP handshake. I am using it with a Monoprice 5x1 switcher with no problem.
3. It will not pay the "Finding Nemo". I tried the disk to get to the THX Optomizer for a quick test. It will not play disk 1 or 2.
4. The A2 will play all the burned disks I tried so far. Very quick loading.
5. The display says 2 chan. output when I am using the optical output even though I am getting 5x1 output. I tested this with the THX optomizer from another disk and I tested it with DVE. I have not tried the HDMI output for sound yet.
6. The boot time is much fast on HD DVD's
7. I have also tried the Get Grey calibration disk and the player will pass Blacker than Black.

My first observations are that it is a much nicer player with less quirks than the HD1. I will do more testing over the weekend. It seems more of a consumer unit than a geek player.
Toshiba may hit a home run with this one. More observations tomorrow."
post #244 of 5306
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Originally Posted by bfdtv View Post

Can you clarify? With which player do you see the 96Khz message?

On the A1, all audio is sent at 24/96. When there is nothing to mix in, null data (i.e. zeros) is added. If you aren't seeing that 96Khz message with the A2, it may pass the signal unmodified when there is not interactive audio to mix in.

Can you try an IME title and see if you get a different message during the director commentary?

The A1 shows the 96Khz message on the receiver. I'll throw in MI3 and check out the commentary to see what it shows. But basically if my receiver receives a 96Khz pcm signal it shows that on the display when it is first received. The A1 audio always shows that the A2 doesn't.
post #245 of 5306
[quote=plazman]
5. Build quality is horrible compared to the XA1. Very cheap materials.


I'm shocked at how cheap looking this product it. JMHO. The Xbox drive seems better built to me.

QUOTE]

You are being a little harsh but I know what you mean. The player is more Panny RP91/Denon 2200ish but perhaps slightly more 'cheapy'. I'm not impressed with BQ but it's not bad either.
post #246 of 5306
Several posters have stated that the new Toshiba build is not as solid as the original HD1. I am not surprised. The first unit was actually a computer with a HD drive in it. The new one is much more like a regular DVD player. I think that this is good since it will be possible to lower the price and push the unit into the marketplace faster. It seems to work better than the original unit. Sometimes building the unit like a tank may not be the best solution.
A tank can't move very fast and has many limitations as does the HD1. I still have the first CD player made by Phillips which was also built like a tank. The Toshiba HD1 may also become part of my Museum.
post #247 of 5306
I tried for the ax1 but couldn't get my hands on one. Actually It turned out for the best. I plan on using my Oppo 970 for SACD and DVD-audio using the 6ch analog inputs on my reciever and then just using the optical output on the A2 for the 5.1 audio (Since I don't have an hdmi processor).
post #248 of 5306
does it play dvd+r DL media flawlessly?
post #249 of 5306
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Originally Posted by rover2002 View Post

Does enyone know or have a link to how many A2's Tosh has for release?
Ta.

32,403
post #250 of 5306
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Originally Posted by billymac View Post

some of that was over my head, can you explain not clipping head and toe room?

does that have anything to do with btb and wtw?

i'm very curious if they fixed the colorspace issue with dvi in the chain. i realize not everybody has the problem, but many do. i have black crush along with the player not passing blacker than black with my inxx projectors.

When he stands in front of it in bare feet he doesn't bang his head or stub his toes?
post #251 of 5306
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Originally Posted by bfdtv View Post

Can you clarify? With which player do you see the 96Khz message?

On the A1, all audio is sent at 24/96. When there is nothing to mix in, null data (i.e. zeros) is added. If you aren't seeing that 96Khz message with the A2, it may pass the signal unmodified when there is not interactive audio to mix in.

Can you try an IME title and see if you get a different message during the director commentary?

Nothing changes on the receivers display during commentary. I guess the A2 only outputs 48Khz pcm over HDMI.
post #252 of 5306
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Originally Posted by nred1 View Post

I am new to HD players but have had a oppo 971 for some time and have been very happy with it.

I wanted to jump into HD for a reasonable cost and the Toshiba was right up my alley. My intention was to replace the Oppo entirely and use the Toshiba for all of my SD DVD's but I am now concerned.

I have the Silicon Optix HQV test disk (evaluates video processing) that I used on the Toshiba, set to output 720p via HDMI into my panasonic 58" 600u plasma and it failed every test while the Oppo via DVI passes with flying colors.

I did not expect this, as everybody has always regarded the Toshiba HD-DVD players as excellent SD players.

Am I missing something?
Do I need a dedicated SD player? or Do I need a stand alone Video processor.

Will setting the output from the toshiba for SD discs to 480i/p help?

any advice will be greatly appreciated.

HD looks amazing, watching Superman returns as we speak!!

Well, with the HD-A1 it outperformed the Oppo 971 using the Silicon Optix HQV test disc on everything except the scrolling text over a film source. By my benchmarks, everything else was equal or better.
post #253 of 5306
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Originally Posted by ctakim View Post

When he stands in front of it in bare feet he doesn't bang his head or stub his toes?

lol, thanks. that's what i was thinking.

smartarse.
post #254 of 5306
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Originally Posted by rwestley View Post

7. I have also tried the Get Grey calibration disk and the player will pass Blacker than Black.

with what connections? any dvi in your chain? what display?
post #255 of 5306
Thanks to all those who called BB's in the Michigan, Ohio, Illinois area for me. I went to my local store at lunch and nobody had them. Went to another after work and they sent me to a close store after calling and holding one for me. Picked it up and will be setting it up tonight.
A2's InStock @ Michigan BB Store's:
Madison Heights.
Farmington Hills.
Flint.
post #256 of 5306
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Originally Posted by mr. wally View Post

i've read the whole thread and still am not sure if the a2 upconverts sd dvds as well as the a1. from what i read, it does not sound that it does it as well as the a2. can other owners post their opinions. i'm thinking of cancelling my order.


Not sure where you see that. All the comments have been as good or better than the A1.
post #257 of 5306
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Originally Posted by rwestley View Post

Several posters have stated that the new Toshiba build is not as solid as the original HD1. I am not surprised. The first unit was actually a computer with a HD drive in it. The new one is much more like a regular DVD player. I think that this is good since it will be possible to lower the price and push the unit into the marketplace faster. It seems to work better than the original unit. Sometimes building the unit like a tank may not be the best solution.
A tank can't move very fast and has many limitations as does the HD1. I still have the first CD player made by Phillips which was also built like a tank. The Toshiba HD1 may also become part of my Museum.

Excellent points! I've noticed comments like that over the years (built like a tank) on many different pieces of electronics, but often the unit in question simply doesn't perform as well as a more cheaply built unit. So give me the 'cheaper built' unit that performs better and let the next guy take the unit 'built like a tank'!
post #258 of 5306
I certainly don't want to get into any heated debates with my fellow HD DVDer's. I would just comment about the matter of being "built like a tank" that there are many audiophiles (and probably some videophiles) that are of the opinion that a more solidly built unit will tend to control vibration and resonances better, and at least some audiophiles can hear the difference on CD playback for example. I am sure that most people would rather have a faster, more reliable machine, but we are on the same side here and I think we can promote the HD-A2 without criticizing the HD-A1 for being "built like a tank". Please keep in mind that for a G1 unit, it was considered by almost everyone a fantastic piece of machinery and an incredible HD DVD, SD DVD, and CD player, and as responsbile as much as anything else for the strength of HD DVD in the marketplace. Thanks and here's hoping for a banner launch for the G2 players.
post #259 of 5306
I have the HD-A1 but I really want the HD-A2 I got at best and still have the warranty. Do anybody think I can find a way to exchange it for the A2?
post #260 of 5306
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Originally Posted by Jeff Lampert View Post

I certainly don't want to get into any heated debates with my fellow HD DVDer's. I would just comment about the matter of being "built like a tank" that there are many audiophiles (and probably some videophiles) that are of the opinion that a more solidly built unit will tend to control vibration and resonances better, and at least some audiophiles can hear the difference on CD playback for example. I am sure that most people would rather have a faster, more reliable machine, but we are on the same side here and I think we can promote the HD-A2 without criticizing the HD-A1 for being "built like a tank". Please keep in mind that for a G1 unit, it was considered by almost everyone a fantastic piece of machinery and an incredible HD DVD, SD DVD, and CD player, and as responsbile as much as anything else for the strength of HD DVD in the marketplace. Thanks and here's hoping for a banner launch for the G2 players.

Well said.
post #261 of 5306
Mine just shipped yesterday from VE, but delivery date isn't until the 14th. Is it possible FedEx estimates are conservative and I might get it in less than a week? I can't wait any longer!!!!!
post #262 of 5306
So does the fact that the A2 is more of a player and less of a computer mean that it will run quite a bit cooler?
post #263 of 5306
I think it depends on your definition of build quality.

The A1/XA1 certainly has nicer external "build quality" with its heavier chassis. However, the A2 offers superior internal "build quality." The A2 has newer / updated components that are faster and more reliable. Take off the case cover and the A2 looks far more like a consumer electronics device than it does a HTPC.
post #264 of 5306
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

Nothing changes on the receivers display during commentary. I guess the A2 only outputs 48Khz pcm over HDMI.

Do you have any titles with both Dolby Digital Plus and Dolby TrueHD to test? Can you hear a difference using HDMI? I would really like to get some info on the audio specs of this player - does it downsample 24/96 to 16/48 ? I was really interested in this player until I saw your post.
post #265 of 5306
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Originally Posted by Jeff Lampert View Post

I certainly don't want to get into any heated debates with my fellow HD DVDer's. I would just comment about the matter of being "built like a tank" that there are many audiophiles (and probably some videophiles) that are of the opinion that a more solidly built unit will tend to control vibration and resonances better, and at least some audiophiles can hear the difference on CD playback for example. I am sure that most people would rather have a faster, more reliable machine, but we are on the same side here and I think we can promote the HD-A2 without criticizing the HD-A1 for being "built like a tank". Please keep in mind that for a G1 unit, it was considered by almost everyone a fantastic piece of machinery and an incredible HD DVD, SD DVD, and CD player, and as responsbile as much as anything else for the strength of HD DVD in the marketplace. Thanks and here's hoping for a banner launch for the G2 players.

Just add some of these to your A2: http://www.musicdirect.com/products/...INCERABASESET4

In fact, just skip the A2 and get one of those $30 Wal-mart players with some of those and they will control resonances so well that it will look and sound better than the A1 or the A2.

--
Steve
post #266 of 5306
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Originally Posted by Charles R View Post

1. From memory I couldn't pick one from the other.
2. Via optical again I couldn't tell one from the other.
3. None so far.
4. I don't play DVDs but AVIA looked about the same.
5. Overall simply quicker. Not a speed demon but much better.
6. I'm using HDMI-DVI fine. I'm not getting BTB but it might be my projector as the DVI input is PC based not Video. My Contrast and Brightness settings ended up the same as for the A1.

My considered opinion is the A2 is better but outside of the being hiccup free (which hasn't been established yet) there isn't a night and day difference. Just a new improved model.

Sounds good and as expected. Stable but faster.
post #267 of 5306
I'm actually glad that A2 is built more like a regular DVD player. The sneering complaint that the A1 was "just a modified laptop" from some BD fanboys was really getting irritating.
post #268 of 5306
Picked the A2 up in C-bus, OH today around 4pm at the BB on Stringtown Rd. They were sitting on the counter, not even put out on display yet! I bought 1 of the 3. Ashley (hot blonde by the way) helped me. She asked another guy if she could sell them yet. He said something like yeah, its just the new slim version...still only plays 1080i. I just ignored him. The other guy was very interested how much I liked my RCA and how I was going to use this one. Looks great on my Sammy 50" DLP TV. Watching "Accepted" right now.

Just FYI, took my RCA back b/c wanted the A2. Waiting for Denon to use in my home theater.
post #269 of 5306
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Originally Posted by mr. wally View Post

i've read the whole thread and still am not sure if the a2 upconverts sd dvds as well as the a1. from what i read, it does not sound that it does it as well as the a2. can other owners post their opinions. i'm thinking of cancelling my order.

The A1 upconverts MOVIES (films) DVD very well. It has some problems only with true 480i materials like sports and Tv programs under conditions such as vertical pans as it can be fooled into picking some wrong pixels while deinterlacing.

If you only watch movie DVDs and not made for TV stuff, you're not likely to see a problem.

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Does anyone have pictures of the A2 PCB?
post #270 of 5306
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Originally Posted by Jeff Lampert View Post

I certainly don't want to get into any heated debates with my fellow HD DVDer's. I would just comment about the matter of being "built like a tank" that there are many audiophiles (and probably some videophiles) that are of the opinion that a more solidly built unit will tend to control vibration and resonances better, and at least some audiophiles can hear the difference on CD playback for example.

There are also audiophiles that think they can hear differences between optical cables, but they are delusional. I do like my Gen 1 player though and I don't feel the need to upgrade until there is a player that can do Divx/sacd/dvd-a.
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