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What do we know about the new Philips 63PF9631D/37 plasma other than its' very long model number.

Seriously, who owns it,who has seen it etc.

Bernie M.
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I seen it at costco at a very appealing price but I heard the Philips plasma's were quality challenged.
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Originally Posted by Actuary555 View Post

I seen it at costco at a very appealing price but I heard the Philips plasma's were quality challenged.

Compared to Panasonic and Pioneer I agree, but I think it's overstated.

Plus the 9631's seem to have done very well quality control-wise. I have seen FAR FEWER problems with those sets on AVS than any of the competing Samsungs, Pioneers, Panasonics, etc.

Not saying all the Philips' line is as good. But maybe Philips got it right with the 9631's.

A few people were looking at it a few weeks ago when they first came out -- I think there's another thread on that set.
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I would love a 63" set a such a good price if I was comfortable with the quality. Is the incidence of problems FAR FEWER because there are fewer sets in circulation?
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Originally Posted by Actuary555 View Post

I would love a 63" set a such a good price if I was comfortable with the quality. Is the incidence of problems FAR FEWER because there are fewer sets in circulation?

Saw the 63 inch at Sams club at less than $4300. Very very nice picture. Sitting above a panny 42 inch and it surely held its own. Quite impressed.
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Originally Posted by Actuary555 View Post

I would love a 63" set a such a good price if I was comfortable with the quality. Is the incidence of problems FAR FEWER because there are fewer sets in circulation?

No, the 9630 and 9631 lines have big followings here at AVS.

More people own the 9630 and fewer of the 9631 owners have the 63" (only 1 that I know of) but if you can buy it at Costco or Sam's, it's risk-free with the return policy.
post #7 of 190
Hi,

I am a newbie to the forum and quite interested in this set. First, is the native resolution (1366x768) enough for this large display, in view of SD and HD program? Second, Due to its size and resolution, would the picture quality suffers when viewing at 5 feet and less? My viewing distnace is more than 9 feet and still concern about native resolution. I already owned a Sony 53" LCD rear projection TV with 720P resolution and my viewing distance is 7 feet. I am comparing this with the Sony KDS60A2000 which is 1920X1080.

Any comments or opinions are welcome.
post #8 of 190
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Originally Posted by tdnone View Post

Hi, I am a newbie to the forum and quite interested in this set. First, is the native resolution (1366x768) enough for this large display, in view of SD and HD program? Second, Due to its size and resolution, would the picture quality suffers when viewing at 5 feet and less? My viewing distnace is more than 9 feet and still concern about native resolution. I already owned a Sony 53" LCD rear projection TV with 720P resolution and my viewing distance is 7 feet. I am comparing this with the Sony KDS60A2000 which is 1920X1080. Any comments or opinions are welcome.

5 feet???? Are you a fish with eyes on the side of your head ??? I'm not sure if you'd be able to see all the set.

Even 7 feet is stretching it unless you like the feeling of total immersion IMO, but 9 feet should be OK.

I believe the Sony you refer to is a LCoS, right? I know it's a great TV, but if I recall, it can't really take advantage of the 1080p capability right now so I don't think the Philips is handicapped too much.

Anyway, the 42" and 50" 9631's have some loyal fans here, so you may have a winner here.

Anybody out there own this set and able to offer feedback ???
post #9 of 190
Yes, my current Sony is a LCosD. It has only 720P and no HDMI, but have the DVI, but still 720P and 1080i. Besides the reliability issue (which I do not know if anyone experience any problem yet sinve the set is so new), my main concern now is the resolution of 1366x768 of such a large screen. Normally we are sitting beyond the 9 feet distance but when the relatives are all here, we do have seating which is about 7 feet from the screen. Furthermore, all the electronics are close to the TV so if I am there to adjust/switch/work on a component, I will not be able to see if it is OK or not. I like the size 63", the fact that its screen has an anti-reflective coating, and the plasma picture is more natural to my liking than the LCD TV. I wish it is 1920x1080 native resolution.

Another point I am not quite clear, even reading the Philips website as well as the downloaded Product Description, is this model have a built in ATSC tuner. It said clearly about the NTSC tuner, but not so clear about the ATSC. Some site says yes, but most other sites say that a HDTV tuner is required for a PIP.
post #10 of 190
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Originally Posted by tdnone View Post

I am a newbie to the forum and quite interested in this set. First, is the native resolution (1366x768) enough for this large display, in view of SD and HD program? Second, Due to its size and resolution, would the picture quality suffers when viewing at 5 feet and less? My viewing distnace is more than 9 feet and still concern about native resolution.



You really need to read the CNET TV Buying Guide primer, especially the Size Up Your Screen section. Then read their article on 1080p (vs. 1080i or 720p) resolutions and decide it this is really what you need.

Is the 1366x768 enough for a 60-65in display? In my informed opinion, YES -- especially in with high definition content. The 1080p CNET article noted that resolution is the fourth most important aspect when deciding picture quality and I agree with them. People get too hung up on resolution like CPU speeds and don't investigate on many more important factors. Read these articles throughly, understand the terminology and technologies involved, GO SEE THE TV IN PERSON, then make an informed decision.
post #11 of 190
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Originally Posted by tdnone View Post

Another point I am not quite clear, even reading the Philips website as well as the downloaded Product Description, is this model have a built in ATSC tuner. It said clearly about the NTSC tuner, but not so clear about the ATSC. Some site says yes, but most other sites say that a HDTV tuner is required for a PIP.



Can't get anymore black and white than Philips website and datasheet stating: "TV system : ATSC, NTSC"

It has both tuners -one for analog (NTSC) and the other for digital (NTSC)- along with a Digital Cable QAM tuner. But chances are you won't be using any of these internal tuners if you are going to be using a set top box high-def box from DirecTV, DISH, or your cable companies; these boxes have contain these tuners.
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Originally Posted by BodegaBay View Post

Is the 1366x768 enough for a 60-65in display? In my informed opinion, YES -- especially in with high definition content. The 1080p CNET article noted that resolution is the fourth most important aspect when deciding picture quality and I agree with them. People get too hung up on resolution like CPU speeds and don't investigate on many more important factors. Read these articles throughly, understand the terminology and technologies involved, GO SEE THE TV IN PERSON, then make an informed decision.

Bodega, great post !!!
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PP,

Thanks. I've been away in the last ~1.5 years from AVS after years of upgrading my home theater speakers, processors, and plasmas. I finally settled down with an NEC 50XR4 and sound system that would make me happy for years. I also promised myself not to spend additional moneys to upgrade until the 60in gets to a more palpable cost point.

And indeed the cost has decreased to a point that has gotten my attention. I've seen the set personally at my local Costco and am impressed. I'm on my third 50in plasma in the last six years and have always been a staunched buyer of Pioneer, Panasonic, and NEC. Philips have come a long long way from the early days of milky plasmas and I'm glad to see their vast improvement. In fact, I've set up two home systems in the last year with Philips 42in and 50in plasmas because of their value and performance. The 63in set is and excellent performer and a fantastic deal considering that two inches more in a 65in Panasonic will set you back ~$3700 more.

I might just pick one up!
post #14 of 190
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Originally Posted by PhilipsPhanatic View Post

More people own the 9630 and fewer of the 9631 owners have the 63" (only 1 that I know of) but if you can buy it at Costco or Sam's, it's risk-free with the return policy.



Hey Phanatic,

I've read a TechBargains.com rumor about Costco's new TV return policy? Here is the TB excerpt:

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December 27, 2006
Costco TV Return Policy Change, Dec. 27

You can currently return a Costco purchased TV at ANY time. We tested this and verified it. There are rumors that this will change Jan 1, 2007 to a 6 month period. Owners prior to 1/1/07 will probably be grandfather'd in. Time to return that busted TV or buy a new one...

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I'm a huge Costco consumer and have always advocated purchasing from them just for quality protection alone. I've bought my plasmas long before Costco ever got into the game of big screen plasmas/LCDs so I couldn't take advantage of it. Another respected AVS flat panel member on this forum, "Rogo," is a Costco consumer as well. A while back we advocated their buyer protection and warned people not to abuse it. Well, it seems that people might have just done that and it'll be a shame if Costco implements the 6mos. return period (like computer purchases) for TVs.
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Bodega, where there's smoke there's usually fire.

My guess is that it's the ABUSERS who caused the change/possible change, not those with legit problems.

If I were Costco, I'd change it to something like: in the 1st year, you get to exchange it for the same model; in the 2nd year a comparable model from the same manufacturer; in the 3rd - 5th year you get a comparable $$$ value for the same type TV (plasma, LCD, etc) in our store; beyond 5 years, you get a credit for a new TV.

The policy was bound to be abused by people with buyers remorse, folks 'renting' TV's for 30 days or longer, people who wanted to switch from RPTV's to plasmas or vice-versa, folks who want newer technologies so they complain about a stuck pixel in the out-of-the-way corner, etc.

All it did was reduce the value to consumers with a legitimate return need. If they trim it back a little, I wouldn't be upset at all.
post #16 of 190
Bought this today. $4200, including sales tax, at Costco. Set it up (HEAVY), hooked to Comcast HD box, and watched a couple of HD movies.

Wow. Blows you away. Crisp, precise. The only problem I saw was that the "Automatic" screen format option once in a while (every 20 min or so) gets confused and resizes the screen then sizes it back - takes about a second.
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Originally Posted by Terr View Post

Bought this today. $4200, including sales tax, at Costco. Set it up (HEAVY), hooked to Comcast HD box, and watched a couple of HD movies.

Congrats...post your experiences here or on the 42" 9631 thread (any 9631 owner is welcome there! ).

How much does the TV weigh and did you mount it on a wall ?

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Wow. Blows you away. Crisp, precise. The only problem I saw was that the "Automatic" screen format option once in a while (every 20 min or so) gets confused and resizes the screen then sizes it back - takes about a second.

The 9631's seem to really have improved in quality. As for the AUTOMATIC re-sizing, yeah, it does that. I don't mind it -- tells me the thing is still working ! It's kinda cool when it does it during the credits because then it makes the names HUGE because it might not read the black background as part of the picture.

It's a great feature, though, and I rarely see it resize more than once during a program, if that. If it was doing it every few minutes, then it'd be a PITA.
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Originally Posted by PhilipsPhanatic View Post

How much does the TV weigh and did you mount it on a wall ?

170lb, probably closer to 200 with the stand, and for now it is on a stand (stand comes with it, and is pretty nice glass one).

As for mounting on a wall - I am considering this. It would go above the fireplace, and would have to be on a fully articulated mount, like a Chief Reaction one, which is rated up to 200 lb. I am just a bit scared of putting something that weighs (and costs) this much this high up, and some people are scaring me off with stories of strained necks with plasmas mounted above fireplaces (would be about 5.5" off the ground...
post #19 of 190
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Originally Posted by Terr View Post

170lb, probably closer to 200 with the stand, and for now it is on a stand (stand comes with it, and is pretty nice glass one).

As for mounting on a wall - I am considering this. It would go above the fireplace, and would have to be on a fully articulated mount, like a Chief Reaction one, which is rated up to 200 lb. I am just a bit scared of putting something that weighs (and costs) this much this high up, and some people are scaring me off with stories of strained necks with plasmas mounted above fireplaces (would be about 5.5" off the ground...


Hi Terr,

Thanks for the information. It is most assuring to me. My local Costco store does not have the set. I will have to see if any other Costco in the greater SF Bay Area may have it.

Also want to thank Bodega and PP for the information on CNet. I did read them but want some additional re-assurance.

So both of my concerns are quite settled: the unit has both NTSC and ATSC tuners and 720P resolution is fine for such a large screen. Got to find a unit to see for myself.
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Originally Posted by tdnone View Post

Also want to thank Bodega and PP for the information on CNet. I did read them but want some additional re-assurance.

Just look at the AVS Plasma section....tons of threads detailing problems with ALL manufacturers. Judging by the criticism of Philips, you'd think that right after all our Sticky's, it was wave after wave of Philips thread complaints.

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So both of my concerns are quite settled: the unit has both NTSC and ATSC tuners and 720P resolution is fine for such a large screen. Got to find a unit to see for myself.

Picture should be comparable to any 9631 (42" or 50"); check them out at CC, BB, or Sears.
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Originally Posted by tdnone View Post

Hi Terr,

Thanks for the information. It is most assuring to me. My local Costco store does not have the set. I will have to see if any other Costco in the greater SF Bay Area may have it.

Also want to thank Bodega and PP for the information on CNet. I did read them but want some additional re-assurance.

So both of my concerns are quite settled: the unit has both NTSC and ATSC tuners and 720P resolution is fine for such a large screen. Got to find a unit to see for myself.

I saw the set at Hawthorne (Los Angeles Area) Costco. It looks pretty good, obviously it is not a Pioneer Elite, but you are paying twice as less as Elite for a larger size. From what I observed, the picture was satisfactory, and Philips usually gives you a lot of inputs and QAM tuner which are plus. If I needed a plasma today (I currently own 1 plasma, 2 lcds, and a front projector) I would have definitely considered it.

As far as Costco policy it is January 1, 2007. I have not received any documentations from Costco re: their return policy change if there is one.
post #22 of 190
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Originally Posted by absolutic View Post

I saw the set at Hawthorne (Los Angeles Area) Costco. It looks pretty good, obviously it is not a Pioneer Elite, but you are paying twice as less as Elite for a larger size.

Er....half as much. Sounds better !!

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From what I observed, the picture was satisfactory, and Philips usually gives you a lot of inputs and QAM tuner which are plus.

It seems alot of people are interested in the tuners....don't most of us have/use STB's? I do watch SD and HDTV through the Philips tuners occasionally when I want a change-of-pace or to use the PIP, but that's about 10% of the time, tops.

Absolutic, the PQ on the Philips is right up there or a shade below Pioneer and Panasonic, IMO. If you were getting 80% of the PQ for 50% of the price, I'd say it's a tough decision. But you're getting at worst 98% of the PQ, IMO. Friends of mine have Pioneer: my SD looks alot better, their movie channels (because of the black levels) are a bit better, sports/live action HD is a toss-up. We all have cable inputs.

Again, the 9631 models seem to have improved on the 9630 lines which in itself was a big improvement over the 7000 series.
post #23 of 190
I bought one the week before Christmas (love it) and I was in the local Costco yesterday and the price dropped another $300 (under 4k now). Just took the receipt back for their 30 day price guarantee and couldn't be happier.
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I have the 9631 in the 50" variety, and I LOVE it. For under 2k, you can't go wrong!

Mine also rarely does the auto stretch more than once. I do have to say, that digital SD channels look pretty damn good on this set as well.
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Originally Posted by PhilipsPhanatic View Post

Friends of mine have Pioneer: my SD looks alot better, their movie channels (because of the black levels) are a bit better, sports/live action HD is a toss-up.

I concur with this assestment. The Philips seems to have the best upconversion/processing for SD materials -- darn good IMO. For HD, it can hang with NEC/Pioneers but a smidge subpar to the Panasonic glass, especially with black levels.

I convinced my friends to spend an extra $200 for the 50in Philips vs. the 50in Vizio. Better performance, IMO.
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Originally Posted by Scmedic View Post

I have the 9631 in the 50" variety, and I LOVE it. For under 2k, you can't go wrong! Mine also rarely does the auto stretch more than once. I do have to say, that digital SD channels look pretty damn good on this set as well.

I believe that positive posts about Philips sets are prohibited at AVS, only bashing.....please refrain from future incidences like the above or I will have to report you to the moderators.
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Originally Posted by BodegaBay View Post

I concur with this assestment. The Philips seems to have the best upconversion/processing for SD materials -- darn good IMO. For HD, it can hang with NEC/Pioneers but a smidge subpar to the Panasonic glass, especially with black levels.

Checking out a friend's Sony LCoS in a few weeks, will be interested in reporting back on that.

Agree with your HD assesmment: unless friends who come over bring Digitial Video Essentials and run test-pattersn, they can't tell the difference between any of the 1st or 2nd tier HD sets. When you get down to the bargain-basement stuff, then you can tell the difference a bit -- and those sets also do a bad job on SD.

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I convinced my friends to spend an extra $200 for the 50in Philips vs. the 50in Vizio. Better performance, IMO.

Great, send him over here and join the Philips group....my corporate letter goes out next week...I'll send it out to the e-mail group who received the Tips Sheet for any suggestions or comments.
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Am I the only one who thinks the colors are off on these sets (at least the 63" which is what I have)? I lent my Spyder2 out so I'm waiting to get that back to actually do a custom setup but the cool, normal and warm settings all seem to be too blue (in the greens and reds anyway which don't seem to come out right). I'm hoping it's something I can bring back into line with a real calibration and isn't a problem with the set itself.

My wife doesn't seem to notice so it's not all that extreme, just annoys me while I'm watching it. If I can't bring it into line I'll live with it because it's a beautiful set and picture otherwise.

I'm particularly surprised by the number of setups that were listed in the main thread that have the sets running on cool with the auto color adjustment on, color fairly high and auto contrast on medium - at least when I had it running similar to that people's faces and skin tones were horrible.
post #29 of 190
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Am I the only one who thinks the colors are off on these sets (at least the 63" which is what I have)? I lent my Spyder2 out so I'm waiting to get that back to actually do a custom setup but the cool, normal and warm settings all seem to be too blue (in the greens and reds anyway which don't seem to come out right). I'm hoping it's something I can bring back into line with a real calibration and isn't a problem with the set itself. My wife doesn't seem to notice so it's not all that extreme, just annoys me while I'm watching it. If I can't bring it into line I'll live with it because it's a beautiful set and picture otherwise.

Can't say since I have a 42" and haven't seen the 63" one yet. But all these sets need to be adjusted/calibrated from the OSM and sometimes you may need to tinker within the SM if you are particularly acute and sensitive to colors. That's beyond my skills but maybe you can do that yourself or call an ISF guy to do it.

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I'm particularly surprised by the number of setups that were listed in the main thread that have the sets running on cool with the auto color adjustment on, color fairly high and auto contrast on medium - at least when I had it running similar to that people's faces and skin tones were horrible.

'Auto contrast' -- ?????? You mean ACTIVE CONTROL ??

Why do you say you're surprised by the 9630 and 9631 owners who have those configurations? Most use COOL because that's a factory preset on PERSONAL, Color Enhance is OFF since it's got to be either ON or OFF and it seems better to have it ON, and most of us have COLOR in the 50's (it can go up to 100 so is that really high? Lowest I've seen was 35).

What are your current settings and what are your thoughts on each one?

Only think I am super-strong on is not having ACTIVE CONTROL set to MAX -- way too dark.
post #30 of 190
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Originally Posted by PhilipsPhanatic View Post

Can't say since I have a 42" and haven't seen the 63" one yet. But all these sets need to be adjusted/calibrated from the OSM and sometimes you may need to tinker within the SM if you are particularly acute and sensitive to colors. That's beyond my skills but maybe you can do that yourself or call an ISF guy to do it.

Since it has full RGB control for the custom setup without going into SM I plan on starting there. I usually like to stay out of the SM whenever possible to avoid turning my expensive toy into a brick.

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Originally Posted by PhilipsPhanatic View Post

'Auto contrast' -- ?????? You mean ACTIVE CONTROL ??

Probably. I'm at work right now and can't remember the name for the setting. It's the one that automatically adjusts the brightness and contrast based on the source material.


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Originally Posted by PhilipsPhanatic View Post

'Why do you say you're surprised by the 9630 and 9631 owners who have those configurations? Most use COOL because that's a factory preset on PERSONAL, Color Enhance is OFF since it's got to be either ON or OFF and it seems better to have it ON, and most of us have COLOR in the 50's (it can go up to 100 so is that really high? Lowest I've seen was 35).

I'm mostly surprised by those that have gone in and tweaked the settings and it's still on COOL. AFAIK that's about as far away from D65 as you can get (though I'll hold judgement until I get my Spyder back and can actually measure).

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Originally Posted by PhilipsPhanatic View Post

'What are your current settings and what are your thoughts on each one?

I'll post my settings after I get home and get a chance to look at them but they're not right, I can tell that much. They're as close as I could get by eyeballing it without going into the custom color configuration so I wouldn't recommend anyone follow them.

The one thing I do have to say is that in A/B comparisons, the incorrect settings usually look "better" (the whole TV store argument and why the default settings are usually way off) so once you actually get the set calibrated it usually takes a while to get used to it.
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