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post #151 of 2023
The FHD1 displaying the Pioneer Blue ray player which is playing "Kingdom of Heaven in the "dot by dot" mode......Now thats what I call a " Turbo FHD1"...the best of the best..jaw droping, 3d picture and worth every damm dollar we paid...and then some
post #152 of 2023
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Originally Posted by BasementBob View Post

Bladerunner7
What is the "FHD1 Turbo Version"?

(BTW, 33 hours till FHD1 arrives at my house. Yes, I'm running a count down)

the waiting is the tough part...what is your setup going to be like; what equipment are you connecting it to; do you have its home already setup (wall mount/ pedestal mount/ tabletop stand)?

i recently added an apc j15 power conditioner w/battery backup (i have some electrical issues in my den that i will ultimately resolve by running a dedicated electrical feed)...the j15 solved my issues and is an impressive unit...it was interesting to note that when my small system is up and running (yamaha rx-v2700, sa8300hd dvr cable box, yamaha ysp-1100 and 12in sub (inexpensive sony; will upgrade eventually when my wife's memory of the new equipment fades a bit ) that it is drawing about 450W total...
post #153 of 2023
BenDover:

This is what its home is to be like. The mount and cables are already in place.

from: http://www.bobgolds.com/LivingRoomPl...ction/home.htm

Quote:
what is your setup going to be like; what equipment are you connecting it to

- Sanus VMDD26b mount (I wanted an arm mount so that I could: pull it out/push it back, turn it to left and right)
- Toshiba HD-AX1 (HDMI-to-HDMI cable into FHD1)
- Oppo OPDV971h region free (Oh, I see they've got a new one -- Oppo DV-981HD http://www.oppodigital.com/ ) (DVI-to-HDMI cable into FHD1)
- cable box Motorola DCT6412 (HiDef DVR) (DVI-to-DVI cable into FHD1)
- Yamaha RXV2400 receiver
- Front speakers - B&W DB604S3
- Surrounds - B&W DS6S3 in monopole mode. I own 4, but I've only got 2 set up in the living room today.
- Subwoofers - B&W ASW675
- Two APC BackUPS 1500's (square wave)
- Harmony remote
- There's an empty spot in the rack for a Pioneer BlueRay player. And I have a Monoprice 5:1 HDMI switch, which won't be used until then (the two HD players through it).

Currently I'm running it all through an existing 15amp circuit.
The plan is to run two new same-phase circuits, one to each APC, when I do a bit of other drywalling in January.

For installation:
I've got the cables labeled.
I've got all the manuals out, and the remaining Sanus mount parts out.
I've got D-nice's settings PDF (first post this thread) printed out.
I've got a DVD I burned with all-white, all-black, all-red, all-green, and all-blue so I can look for stuck pixels.
I've got another DVD burned with Evangelo2's 100 hour burn-in images (from this forum).
I've got a bunch of HD-DVD's set asside that are 16:9 (not 2.35:1).
post #154 of 2023
Quote:
Originally Posted by BasementBob View Post

BenDover:

This is what its home is to be like. The mount and cables are already in place.

from: http://www.bobgolds.com/LivingRoomPl...ction/home.htm


- Sanus VMDD26b mount (I wanted an arm mount so that I could: pull it out/push it back, turn it to left and right)
- Toshiba HD-AX1 (HDMI-to-HDMI cable into FHD1)
- Oppo OPDV971h region free (Oh, I see they've got a new one -- Oppo DV-981HD http://www.oppodigital.com/ ) (DVI-to-HDMI cable into FHD1)
- cable box Motorola DCT6412 (HiDef DVR) (DVI-to-DVI cable into FHD1)
- Yamaha RXV2400 receiver
- Front speakers - B&W DB604S3
- Surrounds - B&W DS6S3 in monopole mode. I own 4, but I've only got 2 set up in the living room today.
- Subwoofers - B&W ASW675
- Two APC BackUPS 1500's (square wave)
- Harmony remote
- There's an empty spot in the rack for a Pioneer BlueRay player. And I have a Monoprice 5:1 HDMI switch, which won't be used until then (the two HD players through it).

Currently I'm running it all through an existing 15amp circuit.
The plan is to run two new same-phase circuits, one to each APC, when I do a bit of other drywalling in January.

For installation:
I've got the cables labeled.
I've got all the manuals out, and the remaining Sanus mount parts out.
I've got D-nice's settings PDF (first post this thread) printed out.
I've got a DVD I burned with all-white, all-black, all-red, all-green, and all-blue so I can look for stuck pixels.
I've got another DVD burned with Evangelo2's 100 hour burn-in images (from this forum).
I've got a bunch of HD-DVD's set asside that are 16:9 (not 2.35:1).


excellent pending owner post!!

i see you are very organized and the baby's new room/crib is all set up

seems like you are going to have a fun time very soon...congrats and enjoy!

i like the all black wall; you either don't have a wife or you keep her tied down in the kitchen
post #155 of 2023
Quote:
Originally Posted by BasementBob View Post

BenDover:

This is what its home is to be like. The mount and cables are already in place.

from: http://www.bobgolds.com/LivingRoomPl...ction/home.htm


- Sanus VMDD26b mount (I wanted an arm mount so that I could: pull it out/push it back, turn it to left and right)
- Toshiba HD-AX1 (HDMI-to-HDMI cable into FHD1)
- Oppo OPDV971h region free (Oh, I see they've got a new one -- Oppo DV-981HD http://www.oppodigital.com/ ) (DVI-to-HDMI cable into FHD1)
- cable box Motorola DCT6412 (HiDef DVR) (DVI-to-DVI cable into FHD1)
- Yamaha RXV2400 receiver
- Front speakers - B&W DB604S3
- Surrounds - B&W DS6S3 in monopole mode. I own 4, but I've only got 2 set up in the living room today.
- Subwoofers - B&W ASW675
- Two APC BackUPS 1500's (square wave)
- Harmony remote
- There's an empty spot in the rack for a Pioneer BlueRay player. And I have a Monoprice 5:1 HDMI switch, which won't be used until then (the two HD players through it).

Currently I'm running it all through an existing 15amp circuit.
The plan is to run two new same-phase circuits, one to each APC, when I do a bit of other drywalling in January.

For installation:
I've got the cables labeled.
I've got all the manuals out, and the remaining Sanus mount parts out.
I've got D-nice's settings PDF (first post this thread) printed out.
I've got a DVD I burned with all-white, all-black, all-red, all-green, and all-blue so I can look for stuck pixels.
I've got another DVD burned with Evangelo2's 100 hour burn-in images (from this forum).
I've got a bunch of HD-DVD's set asside that are 16:9 (not 2.35:1).

YOUR SETUP JUST PLAIN KICKS ASS, thumbs WAAAAAAYYY UP.

HD(ead)-dvd recommendations Riddick, Forbidden Planet, Grand Prix for the full spectrum
post #156 of 2023
I just wonder how the settings that d-nice has very kindly posted work with the 5000ex the same plasma but of course it is a uk one and is in pal
I would add,that I have entered all the settings given for night and I personaly can not see any difference to the picture than that of the "Standard" setting given by Pioneer
post #157 of 2023
I've had the FHD1 for about 6 days now and have a couple of observations that others might help me out with. The screen has about 15 hours on it so far - still a baby.

The FHD1 is connected via HDMI to HDMI from the cable box (Comcast DVR) on one input, and via the cable box's component outputs on another. An Oppo DVD player is hooked up to the screen with a DVI to HDMI cable. The light level in the viewing room is low (evening light levels with only a couple of overhead lights in dimmed mode).

I've been viewing alot of programming on Discovery HD Theater, and from the local PBS station in Chicago via its HD digital channel. They seem to have the best HD material so far. Comcast is also offering free views of the first two LOTR movies in HD, and I found them pretty spectacular. I'm using D-Nice's latest settings on both input modes. Here's what I'm seeing.

1. The picture is fantastic overall, but when material gets dark, the screen's black level performance seems less than it should be.

2. Switching inputs from the cable box HDMI output to the component outputs improves the picture overall both in sharpness and a bit in black level performance.

3. Performance using the DVD player is OK, but haven't found the right group of settings on the Oppo to really maximize the picture. It doesn't seem to have very good black level at all.

So, here are some questions for those with more experience and knowlegde than I have -

-Will the black level performance of the FHD1 improve with more burn-in?
-Why would the component outputs produce a more detailed picture than HDMI?
-I'm using generic cables for all the hook-ups; has anyone found the use of more expensive "videophile" cables to actually improve the overall picture on this screen (or any other, for that matter).

Input from the group is appreciated.
post #158 of 2023
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Originally Posted by letterdrop View Post

I've had the FHD1 for about 6 days now and have a couple of observations that others might help me out with. The screen has about 15 hours on it so far - still a baby.

The FHD1 is connected via HDMI to HDMI from the cable box (Comcast DVR) on one input, and via the cable box's component outputs on another. An Oppo DVD player is hooked up to the screen with a DVI to HDMI cable. The light level in the viewing room is low (evening light levels with only a couple of overhead lights in dimmed mode).

I've been viewing alot of programming on Discovery HD Theater, and from the local PBS station in Chicago via its HD digital channel. They seem to have the best HD material so far. Comcast is also offering free views of the first two LOTR movies in HD, and I found them pretty spectacular. I'm using D-Nice's latest settings on both input modes. Here's what I'm seeing.

1. The picture is fantastic overall, but when material gets dark, the screen's black level performance seems less than it should be.

2. Switching inputs from the cable box HDMI output to the component outputs improves the picture overall both in sharpness and a bit in black level performance.

3. Performance using the DVD player is OK, but haven't found the right group of settings on the Oppo to really maximize the picture. It doesn't seem to have very good black level at all.

So, here are some questions for those with more experience and knowlegde than I have -

-Will the black level performance of the FHD1 improve with more burn-in?
-Why would the component outputs produce a more detailed picture than HDMI?
-I'm using generic cables for all the hook-ups; has anyone found the use of more expensive "videophile" cables to actually improve the overall picture on this screen (or any other, for that matter).

Input from the group is appreciated.

could be a color space issue over the different connectors from the cable box...i am a very new owner as well so haven't had much time to really dig in, but in perusing the manual and menu screens i did notice options for changing color space, etc. you may want to look into that...i believe mine is presently set to auto but i can imagine if the cable box is properly reporting itself or has some other issues even if reporting correctly that that might be the source.

as for cables, i get mine from monoprice lately...not a big believer in them making a difference unless you are talking about long distances, in which quality cables should be used...ymmv

no idea about black level performance changing over time but i imagine it could/should given the "half life" of the phospors, etc.
post #159 of 2023
Quote:
Originally Posted by letterdrop View Post

I've had the FHD1 for about 6 days now and have a couple of observations that others might help me out with. The screen has about 15 hours on it so far - still a baby.

The FHD1 is connected via HDMI to HDMI from the cable box (Comcast DVR) on one input, and via the cable box's component outputs on another. An Oppo DVD player is hooked up to the screen with a DVI to HDMI cable. The light level in the viewing room is low (evening light levels with only a couple of overhead lights in dimmed mode).

I've been viewing alot of programming on Discovery HD Theater, and from the local PBS station in Chicago via its HD digital channel. They seem to have the best HD material so far. Comcast is also offering free views of the first two LOTR movies in HD, and I found them pretty spectacular. I'm using D-Nice's latest settings on both input modes. Here's what I'm seeing.

1. The picture is fantastic overall, but when material gets dark, the screen's black level performance seems less than it should be.

2. Switching inputs from the cable box HDMI output to the component outputs improves the picture overall both in sharpness and a bit in black level performance.

3. Performance using the DVD player is OK, but haven't found the right group of settings on the Oppo to really maximize the picture. It doesn't seem to have very good black level at all.

So, here are some questions for those with more experience and knowlegde than I have -

-Will the black level performance of the FHD1 improve with more burn-in?
-Why would the component outputs produce a more detailed picture than HDMI?
-I'm using generic cables for all the hook-ups; has anyone found the use of more expensive "videophile" cables to actually improve the overall picture on this screen (or any other, for that matter).

Input from the group is appreciated.

Black levels will not improve but actually degrade over time. Take a look at the Pioneer sponsored IDC study. In that, the black level of the TV degraded significantly in 4 weeks with the accelerated aging test. Not sure what physical mechanism explains the degredation.

The black level on this tv is not great. But overall, I have yet to see a better picture on a display with a hidef source shuch as Blu Ray of HD-DVD.
post #160 of 2023
Congrats Letterdrop!

I use bettercables for my setup. These were recommended to me by some people on the forum. They have worked really well.

I think the black levels on my FHD1 are really nice. Maybe you are a little more critical of this. You may want to ask some of the forum members who have had their sets calibrated what they think....or a calibrator himself. I've heard ISF Calibrated sets getting better performance. Bare in mind that you would calibrate the set after the break in period if you did this.

I would just wait and let the set break in and then judge it then.

I agree with Pinkus its the best display I have seen or had.
post #161 of 2023
Letterdrop if you want to have your FHD1 SHINE. then get a Blue Ray or Hdead-dvd player because both Players will UPCONVERT your standard dvd(make them better) as well as showing you the best of the best on hi-def dvd. The Pioneer Elite BR player is the "brother" to your FHD1 and has just been released this week. Kill two birds with one stone and upgrade your source player and you will be very happy with blacks, greens and whites. Calibration is important but if you are short on the $ Joe Kane is coming out with a hd-dvd calibration disc and down the road one for BR also and that might improve you situation.....enjoy your FHD1 thru the holidays...blade

PS check out this "double headder" on the FHD1 for the christiing of the Pioneer BR Player..."Kingdom of Heaven directors cut and "ROCKY" both BR exclusives...I will let you know how it looks on the FHD1 and go to highdefdigest.com to see the years best hi-def discs, its a great list of must have hi-def for the holidays with your FHD1...gvie it a look.
post #162 of 2023
Hey BasementBob

What back wall treatment did you use and why ......?????
post #163 of 2023
Well the FDH1 is installed. Works fine.

No stuck pixels. No cracked glass. All inputs work fine. 24 guage video cables from Monoprice work fine.

Fits in the hole I made for it perfectly -- except that the extra thick cables were hard to bend so while they are hidden from front view, I can't push the FHD1 as far back into the hole as I had intended because the cables stop it from going back. The two prime viewing spots (parallel with the front of the center speaker, and all the way out on the arm but angled about 30 degrees to the left) of course there's no cable in the way problem.

The fellow from the store who installed it said he loved the Sanus mount, except for the pull ties they supply. Said they snapped. So he through out the 20 Sanus supplied ties, and pulled out a pack of his own that are four times the thickness. Yea, they'll hold.

I'm running d-nice's breakin/night settings. Actually I'm using the Toshiba hd-dvd night settings, except contrast 20, and playing Evangelo2's 100 hour burn-in dvd. Occasionally I've flipped over to Discovery HD and that looks pretty good too. Both in Full mode (FHD1 expand the image to fill the screen)

I thought d-nice had some FHD1 settings for the Oppo971, but I don't see them. Anyone know a link?

A relative arrived, and first reaction was "it's too big. You'll have to move the couch back." But we watched Star Wars 1 The Pod Race scene, and HD-DVD The Italian Job (dot-for-dot), and such concerns were relieved. Size is fine.

There's a scene in HenryV with the narrator standing on the cliffs of dover. He's wearing a grey coat, with a black sweater, with a blacker scarf. I'm unable to see the difference between the sweater and scarf, nor the wrinkles on the sweater -- but
a) I'm running darker than usual night settings
b) not ISF calibrated.
No real worries -- I've never seen a projector that can show that without being mis-adjusted.

A few sparklies -- but I haven't really had an opportunity yet to tweak. (work, relatives, etc) Obviously I haven't had an opportunity to take more pictures either.

Overall I'm quite happy. I'm anticipating slightly better colours than I have right now, after I tweak after the burn in period.
post #164 of 2023
Congratulations, Bob. I'm sure you'll love it.

Enjoy the holidays!
post #165 of 2023
mike12z:

Quote:


What back wall treatment did you use and why ......?????

I thought my construction link page (above) explained it all.

In general
a) I know the speakers are excellent, even off axis. I measured them myself. There's links in a thread about small speaker tests by me on this forum -- that includes these speakers I used as a 'control'.
b) I know the room offers great room support for orchestral type sounds -- but using that sacrfices speach inteligibility
c) So, somewhat regreatably, I sacrificed room support for speach inteligibility, by moving the speakers close to the front wall, and absorbing sound from the front wall using 4" rockwool with a 4" airgap over most of the wall. The amount and type of absorption is changeable if my later tests (January 2007?) show a change would help, because the black is attached with velcro. At the moment I've got what I think is an acceptable trade off between the two -- but some testing might give me some hints about what to do better.
d) It would have been better if I could have moved the left front and right front speakers further apart. Also it would have been better if I could do something about the left wall reflection. But there's nothing obvious I could do to solve that -- without wrecking the video by having sunlight shining right on the face of the FHD1, or using much longer cable lengths and throwing a way a huge chunk of floor.
e) I discovered a reflection off the right hand wall near my primary listening/watching position, so I temporarily put my deep portable absorber there and that fixed that.
f) I've got the subwoofer's tuned perfectly by ear alone for use with HD-DVD, but with cable they're way too loud. I'll have to fiddle with those a bit. But I'll probably use RplusD when I do that to get it just right.
g) There's nothing else I've added to the room for acoustics -- everything else was just there. The back wall would consist of a 45 degree fireplace on the back left corner, and an open hallway to the kitchen nook on the back right corner. This is not ever going to be an acoustically optimal room. The front three speakers are never going to move from their current spots. The surrounds are on wood posts (aka speaker poles) and can be placed anywhere. The subwoofers at the moment are on the front wall, but they can be moved anywhere too. Anyway, some acoustical tweaking is possible -- again not till January. This is not ever going to be an acoustically optimal room.
post #166 of 2023
I watched the original Superman on HD-DVD last night on standard/full (hard to believe a 1978 film looks so good while Pearl Harbor looked so poor). Anyway, I watched it with the black bars on the top and bottom and about halfway through, I strecthed it for a short bit (>1min) then finished with the bars. I had image retention when it was over. I haven't changed the settings at all out of the box. I just refused to let a plasma dictate how I want to watch TV...I guess I'll be rethinking that point.

I guess I'll be performing a "formal" break-in at this point, is everyone satisfed with the break-in DVD posted elsewhere on AVS? Where is the disc file located BTW? After the breakin, will I be able to make it safely through a "black-barred" movie without worries, or should I still stretch everything? Stretching just makes it look so odd, plus there is the whole cycling thing with the Screen Size button---are there any discretes for screen size out there anywhere?

I'm starting to miss the care-free freedom of my LCD! One more question, has anyone gotten the FHD1 to recognize still images and dim the screen after 3 minutes (like the manual states that it will)? My kids like to pause the screen and with my new experience with image retention, I've banned my kids from the plasma.
post #167 of 2023
I use the save2 setting for regular TV and the save1 for DVD movies. I hope this will extend the panel life. I never use the Standard setting as it causes the TV to buzz loudly. Loud enough for me to hear from 10 feet away.

I can also hear the buzzing on the save2 setting, if I mute my speakers. I bet all these TV's buzz, and if you don't think your TV buzzes, then you should get your hearing checked
post #168 of 2023
ckelly33:

Quote:


the break-in DVD posted elsewhere on AVS? Where is the disc file located BTW?

What I did can be found at this post
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post9202050
<- within Evangelo2's Download Break In DVD (SVCD) thread
post #169 of 2023
My cable box, a Motorola DCT6412, has a screen saver function. After pausing for 15 minutes, the screen goes black and the time hops around the screen forever.
But, if I pause a HiDef movie (well, actually the phone rang in the middle of HDNET's Bikini Destinations and I hit pause to stop the sound), the middle of the screen, the 4:3 part of it, is the screen saver, and the left/right "bars" are still the show -- in this case I had a beach on the left/right 'bars' of the 16:9 screen.
post #170 of 2023
Pinkus:
Using the break in dvd, at the all white screen image, I could hear the buzz standing 1 foot away. I've not yet checked how far away I can hear it.
post #171 of 2023
ckelly33:

I've watched a couple of 2.35:1 movies, and no retention. But I've been using d-nice's settings.
post #172 of 2023
I have been breaking it in regularly to avoid any image retention problems. I leave it on Discovery HD most of the day. I don't really think you need the Break in dvd but I guess if you want it to go faster you could.

Pinkus I am using the Save2 setting until fully broken in. After 200hrs I will switch to Save1.

As for buzzing it is my conclusion that these sets all buzz. I think some hear more than others based on the amount of ambient noise or hard services in their environment. Mine buzzes if you place your head right next to it and I can hear a faint hum not reallly buzz from a distance but this is with absolutely no ambient noise and no volume on the set. I also have the set 2ft away from a wall and have 12ft ceilings with alot of hard surfaces. I live in a loft so it probably carries a little but honestly it is pretty quiet. I also think its gotten fainter as the set has broken in a bit.

Just my two cents worth.
post #173 of 2023
So has anyone received the famed Blu Ray player from Pioneer and tested it with our bad boy FHD1?

I am getting it or the new Toshiba XA2 after the new year...haven't made up my mind.
post #174 of 2023
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Originally Posted by redspectral View Post

As for buzzing it is my conclusion that these sets all buzz. I think some hear more than others based on the amount of ambient noise or hard services in their environment.

Honestly, my 55 year old ears are not picking up any buzz or other audio artifacts from the FHD1. I've got right up to the panel itself with Discovery HD programming and don't hear anything (external speakers turned off). Given that I probably don't hear above 8K cycles any more, maybe the buzz is above my threshold.

But being on a cable connection, I have grounding isolation blocks ("F" blocks") and isolation transformer on the cable line going into the cable box itself. I used to have hum and buzz galore until I installed these devices in-line. Absolutely silent now. But that's probably not the buzz from the panel we're talking about?

SB
post #175 of 2023
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BasementBob View Post

I thought d-nice had some FHD1 settings for the Oppo971, but I don't see them. Anyone know a link?.

Hi Bob,
Download the PDF in the first post of this thread...it has all D-Nice's latest settings that apply to the FHD-1
post #176 of 2023
Count me and my 22 year old son home for Christmas as two who don't hear any buzzing unless we get within about 18 inches or so of the set (which is in the "Standard" power option mode). Even then, it is pretty low (yeah, OK, he hears more than I do, but he still says not much).

I wonder what elevation your sets are at. Most plasmas will definitely buzz more at higher elevations. Here in Houston, I can't be at much more than 100 feet, so that may be a factor in not hearing much, as well as possible set to set variations.
post #177 of 2023
no buzz or noise here in san diego
post #178 of 2023
Try this url: http://www.forbes.com/business/forbe.../1225/056.html You have to sign up, which takes a few minutes.

Basically the writer says that the FHD-1 puts every other plasma to shame. Not sure I agree with him, as the 1140HD is no slouch either.

His other recommendation is the 52inch sharp for $3150, which according to him, is pretty much indistinguishable from the pioneer, if you dial down its blacklight, make a few tweaks, and don't watch in complete darkness.

Long term, I think plasma is toast. The LCD's are coming on strong. But for the moment, we can all enjoy our FHD-1's.
post #179 of 2023
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Originally Posted by Pinkus View Post

Try this url: http://www.forbes.com/business/forbe.../1225/056.html You have to sign up, which takes a few minutes.

Basically the writer says that the FHD-1 puts every other plasma to shame.

Long term, I think plasma is toast. The LCD's are coming on strong. But for the moment, we can all enjoy our FHD-1's.

I used to call the FHD1 "kin..." I dont have to anymore. Time after time, review after review have CONFIRMED this is the "MAN" of plasma monitors. Now guys we have a chance to step to the plate and hit "back to back home runs". I am talking about the "Brother" of the FHD1. Its the Pioneer BR Player, and the early reviews confirm its the picture quality KING of blue ray players. The time is NOW....GO FOR IT and forget about HDEAD-DVD..... '' ITS FOR SQUIDS" (trivia question what movie is that from and I will really be impressed if someone comes up with it, it was while he was redoing his hair... with grease and his name is J... D.....}
post #180 of 2023
Well that did not take long, more unofficial claims of a monarchy have returned......
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