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post #61 of 662
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Originally Posted by dm145 View Post

Grown men worrying about Finding Nemo is disturbing to me!

This may come as a surprise to you but many grown men have children.

What is disturbing to me is the A2 is having issues with such a widely owned DVD. Makes me wonder what other DVDs it has trouble with.
post #62 of 662
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Originally Posted by ench View Post

HDDVD disk (Sky Captain)
I only tried this disck and Mission Impossible 3

I'm on the line with Toshiba right now.
Question is the SONY KDF-70XBR950 DVI input analog or digital?
I will find out from SONY

Its digital and HDCP compliant.
post #63 of 662
im not sure if its an issue on my side or just the content. i put in mission impossible 3 and noticed the red's and yellows to be argivaded (not sure if its the film) as if the red's were really dark but bright and people's faces had yellow spots like makeup. also the audio seemed dull to me and quietier. ill have to try another disc. i have it hooked up through hdmi to a yamaha rx-v4600 then output to hdmi -dvi to fp marantz vp4600. first hd-dvd player so idk maybe im not used to it, but ive watched plenty on movies on stars-hd, hbo-hd, uhd, and inhd through my setup. any suggestions. i cant change the color or tint through projector when its using a digital input.
post #64 of 662
Thread Starter 
Don't blame the Nemo issue only on the Player. There have been issues with many disks in the the past. One little error in disk authoring can cause all sorts of issues. Since I first posted the issue with Nero it is now playing fine. I have tried it each day. I have noticed that it once downscaled to 480p recognizing the digital flag incorrectly. I just ejected the disk and started it again with no problem. Since I have received the A2 I have tried many disks both HD and non HD. It performs very well with nearly all of them. If you read the white paper that came in the box with your player you will notice that HDDVd is a new technology and that Toshiba is committed to improving it. That is the purpose of this thread. Regarding MI3, I watched it last night and I am sure that was the directors decision to use bright colors.

I am actually surprised at how few issues there are with this unit. Put in a HD DVD and enjoy the movie.

I have edited the my first post listing several issues that have come up several times. I did not list the sound from the center channel but I others have this issue I will put it in the first post. I don't think that Toshiba can fix the problem that people have with scalers. I believe it is something in the chipset. I also think it is similar to the issues with HDMI to DVI.
post #65 of 662
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Originally Posted by rwestley View Post

Don't blame the Nemo issue only on the Player. There have been issues with many disks in the the past. One little error in disk authoring can cause all sorts of issues. Since I first posted the issue with Nero it is now playing fine. I have tried it each day. I have noticed that it once downscaled to 480p recognizing the digital flag incorrectly. I just ejected the disk and started it again with no problem. Since I have received the A2 I have tried many disks both HD and non HD. It performs very well with nearly all of them. If you read the white paper that came in the box with your player you will notice that HDDVd is a new technology and that Toshiba is committed to improving it. That is the purpose of this thread. Regarding MI3, I watched it last night and I am sure that was the directors decision to use bright colors.

I am actually surprised at how few issues there are with this unit. Put in a HD DVD and enjoy the movie.

ah ok just was curious. one thing i def noticed was the speed was faster then the oppo i have now. the menu system is pretty freakin cool .
post #66 of 662
I tried the A2 with my Denon 2807. It also shows a 48Khz PCM signal over HDMI , just like the 3806. Is something wrong with my A2. What does it show on other peoples 2807 or 3806?
post #67 of 662
Got my first freeze!!
While watching Phil Collins , The first farewell tour SD-DVD.
3 Songs into the concert , froze solid with " mss6" on the A2 display. TV screen shows a window" Cannot play the disc"
I have not yet experienced any issues with HD-DVD playback. The only other issue I've had before today was with " Finding Nemo". I understand HD-DVD is new but I expect a $500 machine to play SD-DVD flawlessly. I guess this one's gonna go back soon

HDMI connection to Pioneer Elite VSX81 TXV. HDMI to HDMI from the receiver to TV.
post #68 of 662
I do not watch SD DVD anymore. Are they any issues with HD DVD movies? I have watched 4 movies flawlessly so far. I really want to know of issues with HD playback (unless we can create a SD problem thread) as well.
post #69 of 662
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Originally Posted by Andrew P View Post

I do not watch SD DVD anymore. Are they any issues with HD DVD movies? I have watched 4 movies flawlessly so far. I really want to know of issues with HD playback (unless we can create a SD problem thread) as well.

I believe the title of this thread is " Toshiba HD-A2 problems only ". It does not specify whether the problem/s should be restricted to HD-DVD only. I already mentioned that I have had none with HD-DVD.
post #70 of 662
I know what you said, but when I buy a HD DVD player I am more concerned with HD DVD playback. I was suggesting that we have a separate thread for SD issues as some of us do not care about SD DVD playback or have a dedicated SD DVD player. Makes it much harder to read through the thread, but seems to be so little issues with the player. That is a good thing.
post #71 of 662
OK! Wish I was enjoying my A2 (Manufactured 2006) which I finally received tonight by FedEx from Value (Thanks) but have been unable to play HD DVD at higher resolution than 480p.

Here's what I have and how it's connected.

Have a Toshiba 57HDX82 with DVI/HDCP connection purchase in 2003. Had my Comcast Motorola DCT6412 III connected to it at first set to output 1080i, but then disconnected the HDMI to DVI cable (no adapter) to connect the A2 with the same cable to take advantage of the up conversion of SD DVD and better picture I know it can give.

When I play an HD DVD on the A2 the display on the TV and the front panel show 480p even though in the "Set up" Picture I'd set it to output 1080i and to Auto.

When I turn the TV off while the movie is playing the display on the front panel of the A2 then change from 480p to 1080i and then after that I see the message MSS 6 on the front panel display. When I turn the TV back on again I then see displayed on the screen this message "Playback will start from the beginning so that the resolution can be changed Press OK button" with MSS 6 still displayed on the front panel of the A2. Then when I press the OK button on the remote the display resolution goes back to 480p again with the movie starting over again from the beginning.

I turned off the TV and the A2, unpluged and replug them both and I am still not able to get the A2 to output 1080i resolution to my HDTV. I even tried changing the HDMI to DVI connection cause I have another one with an adapter I purchase from Monoprice and still not able to get 1081i out thru the HDMI/DVI connection. I am however able to get the player to output 1080i thru Component connected to the Toshiba HD ColorStream Component input. But this is not what I want. I would like to send the picture thru the HDMI to the TV DVI to watch my HD DVD movies and unconverter regular DVD to a higher resolution for a better picture. Not only that. But when I set the TV Aspect ration to "Natural" which is suppose to display the source material in it's native format I get in in 4:3 at 480p while the A2 is set to 16:9.

After waiting for over two months for this day it goes without saying I am not that happy right now. Is there anyone here that had this problem and can offer a solution to my predicament.

Thanks

Much Appreciated.

BTW! It's a very nice looking piece of equipment and the response time, a big concern to me before buying is very acceptable. The remote still could have been better though.
post #72 of 662
^^ call me tomorrow and we'll take care of this.

-Robert
800-789-5050
post #73 of 662
Face it HDCP will be the death of all of this. Just watching this entire year the "HD Scene" you can simply summarize that HDCP is a big big huge problem. I'm convinced there isn't a one-size fits all solutions because it seems any CE device working with any other CE device has a fair shot of being incompatible with one another for no reason that can be given to the general public. The standard is hardly a firm standard, it's as if it's a standard that is up to interpretation. In many ways Digital in general has failed us as well.

So I sit over here with an unopened PS3, wife bought it basically on accident and now I wonder if the BD players simply are better in general. Toshiba imo had to have a knock-out homerun with the A2 and well it's back down the same damn path again it seems.

Sorry for the somber notes.
post #74 of 662
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Originally Posted by DTV TiVo Dealer View Post

^^ call me tomorrow and we'll take care of this.

-Robert
800-789-5050

Thanks Mr Zohn! I will tomorrow. Please see my PM..

8ohms.
post #75 of 662
1. I just got mine today. I had two Netflix discs waiting on it, both with a fair number of abrasions. 1st one: couldn't read, 2nd one: couldn't read. I cleaned one of then pretty good then IT WORKED...for about half of the movie, then froze about every 10 secs until I ejected and went back to my old sony where it played flawlessly! Too bad. I tried Nemo after reading these forums, it froze once which led to an eject, followed by a wipe it on the T-shirt & reinsert technique. Currently playing ok (~5 mins).

2. Ethernet connection "canot find" BS. At least give me some confirmation I've done it right! Has anyone gotten anything other than the "Cannot find" error?

What's the deal with SD's not playing. Who wants to pack it to the bedroom everytime your disc has a few abrasion?
post #76 of 662
I had to change ethernet to dhcp and it worked right away.
post #77 of 662
See, Robert will help...
post #78 of 662
"Finding Nemo" did not play on my A2, even though I played with 2 other discs previously with no problems. Rebooting didn't help, though, FN did play on my Sony BDP-S1 with no problem. I have a November built. It looks like the A2 is having problems playing standard discs, even though it played with no problem on my A1. But, my A1 always had problems playing HD-DVDs...go figure!

Did I say "problem" too many times?
post #79 of 662
Thread Starter 
Try Nemo again the next time you turn the unit on. If it does not pay at first eject and try again. It has worked for most of us. I think it might be an issue with the disks. Toshiba is aware and I believe will fix it with a firmware update. Regarding the Eithernet connection. I tried it when I received the unit and I got an error message. I tried it again yesterday and it connected stating I have the latest firmware. I guess the server was just set up.


"Face it HDCP will be the death of all of this. Just watching this entire year the "HD Scene" you can simply summarize that HDCP is a big big huge problem. I'm convinced there isn't a one-size fits all solutions because it seems any CE device working with any other CE device has a fair shot of being incompatible with one another for no reason that can be given to the general public. The standard is hardly a firm standard, it's as if it's a standard that is up to interpretation. In many ways Digital in general has failed us as well." HorrorScope.

I think it is time for a major class action suite against the film companies for the HDCP mess.
Sony backed down with their Root Kit on Cd's I think a big suite with publicity will end this HDCP mess.

Some of the issues dealing with regular disks are not a big deal for me but are very important to others. I do think most can be fixed with a firmware update. It also seems that the A2 is not as good as the A1 and upconverting. I believe the A1 uses a Silicon Optic
chip which the A2 does not have. I plan to use the Toshiba for HDDVD disks and My Oppo for regular disks.
post #80 of 662
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Originally Posted by P. Anthony View Post

"Finding Nemo" did not play on my A2, even though I played with 2 other discs previously with no problems. Rebooting didn't help, though, FN did play on my Sony BDP-S1 with no problem. I have a November built. It looks like the A2 is having problems playing standard discs, even though it played with no problem on my A1. But, my A1 always had problems playing HD-DVDs...go figure!

Did I say "problem" too many times?

What to here something funny? I'm sitting at home reading all this Nemo stuff and saying to myself. Look at these idiots. A few people most likley with scratched to hell disks, that their 3 year olds insist on putting into their players like my daughter does, cant play Nemo and it's an epidemic!

I've played HD-dvd's and Sd-DVD's no problems with layer changes on any SD and no problems with playback. Well just for the heck of it I went upstairs and got Nemo and holy SH@!, my player did the same thing. I turned the player off and on a few times and it did not work. I played a HD-DVD then tried the disk and it would not work. Finally I just put in another SD disk and then tried it right after and Viola, works now.

Not only did I feel stupid, being an engineer i'm going nuts trying to figure out why only this disk. I wonder if you rip the copy protections off the disk into a back up copy would this solve the problem? Hopefully firmware will fix this and my daughter will be happily watching upconverted Nemo for the 15,682,466,352 time
post #81 of 662
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Originally Posted by rwestley View Post

It also seems that the A2 is not as good as the A1 and upconverting. I believe the A1 uses a Silicon Optic
chip which the A2 does not have. I plan to use the Toshiba for HDDVD disks and My Oppo for regular disks.

I have only seen one person report this, and it was refuted by everyone else on the forum at the time. I just got my A2 yesterday and cannot tell any difference (better or worse) between the A2, A1 or 1080i SD DVD player. What I have seen though is that the A2 won't play SD's very well, especially ones with minor abrasions (Netflix). It just seems like the laser is too particular.
post #82 of 662
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Originally Posted by ckelly33 View Post

1. I just got mine today. I had two Netflix discs waiting on it, both with a fair number of abrasions. 1st one: couldn't read, 2nd one: couldn't read. I cleaned one of then pretty good then IT WORKED...for about half of the movie, then froze about every 10 secs until I ejected and went back to my old sony where it played flawlessly! Too bad. I tried Nemo after reading these forums, it froze once which led to an eject, followed by a wipe it on the T-shirt & reinsert technique. Currently playing ok (~5 mins).

2. Ethernet connection "canot find" BS. At least give me some confirmation I've done it right! Has anyone gotten anything other than the "Cannot find" error?

What's the deal with SD's not playing. Who wants to pack it to the bedroom everytime your disc has a few abrasion?

First time I tried the ethernet I got the "Cannot Find" message. Tried over and over with changed settings. Same result. Gave up and filled out the form for the disk when an update becomes available. Next day, tried again with same original settings. This time it said my software was up to date. Both times I used the DHCP setting. Maybe the server was not up when I got the "cannot find" message.
post #83 of 662
Just tried "The Recruit" with Pacino and Farrell. Message came up that it could not play the disk. Tried again, same message. Cleaned it, same message. I am not copying it and will try with the copy when finished.
post #84 of 662
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Originally Posted by HorrorScope View Post

Face it HDCP will be the death of all of this. Just watching this entire year the "HD Scene" you can simply summarize that HDCP is a big big huge problem. I'm convinced there isn't a one-size fits all solutions because it seems any CE device working with any other CE device has a fair shot of being incompatible with one another for no reason that can be given to the general public. The standard is hardly a firm standard, it's as if it's a standard that is up to interpretation. In many ways Digital in general has failed us as well.

So I sit over here with an unopened PS3, wife bought it basically on accident and now I wonder if the BD players simply are better in general. Toshiba imo had to have a knock-out homerun with the A2 and well it's back down the same damn path again it seems.

Sorry for the somber notes.

I agree with you -- the A2 had to advance itself and be beyond the problems that the A1 had. Despite what some people are trying to tell me in other threads, the comments I read is that it has not, and sometimes, it seems to have more problems than the original. This is not good news. I am a HD-DVD supporter. It is what I have and I do not want to go the route of Blu-Ray. However, we have to admit that some of the things that HD-DVD supporters were accusing of Blu Ray are finally coming to us as well -- from PQ issues in transfers manufacturing problems, etc.
post #85 of 662
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Originally Posted by Bulldog3777 View Post

Just tried "The Recruit" with Pacino and Farrell. Message came up that it could not play the disk. Tried again, same message. Cleaned it, same message. I am not copying it and will try with the copy when finished.

The copy of the Recruit worked. Tried the original again, did not work. Put the original in my PS3 and it is now playing. Sounds like it was the disk, but I don't really know.
post #86 of 662
Hi,

Apparently this player has a problem with deinterlacing at 720p output resolution.

Toshiba HD-A2 HD DVD - First End User Reports!

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Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post

720P is not inverse telecine from 1080P. So this player is not doing the right conversion from the source to 720P. So anyone with a video processor capable of inverse telecine 1080i de-interlacing should take advantage of it even if you are outputting 720P.

I'd appreciate any observations owners of A2s and displays with 720p native resolution have regarding this issue.

Thanks.

Larry
post #87 of 662
Hello All!

I'm glad I'm not the only one having problems.

My HD-A2 arrived last Saturday (thank you Value Electronics!), and I've been trying to get everything to work since then.

Yesterday I got so frustrated I turned off the power strip because I could not get the A2 to shut down. That killed the setup on the Denon AVR 2307CI, so I am now back to Square One with the audio-visual receiver setup.

Here's the configuration:
Denon AVR 2307CI
Sharp LC37D90U (HDMI from the 2307)
Toshiba HD-A2 (HDMI to the 2307)
Panasonic Stanmdard Definition DVD player (component to the 2307)
Monoprice HDMI cables
Generic component and optical audio cables

I am only playing HD DVD discs on the A2; only playing SD discs on the Panasonic. I never have any problems with the Panasonic (video goes component to the 2307, then HDMI from the 2307 to the TV).

My problem with the A2 is that it seems to have trouble establishing a connection through the 2307 to the TV. The result is that I get sound from the A2 fairly quickly, but I either get no video, or it takes a long time (10 to 15 minutes?) for the video to appear. I do not think it is a disc problem, since the A2 "Welcome to HD" screen does not appear on the TV (which remains blank).

Once everything is working, the PQ is fabulous!

I have tried every combination I can think of in the 2307 configuration screens, but as far as I can tell, the problem is related to the Toshiba player.

Any thoughts or suggestions will be appreciated.

(BTW - I am not at home right now, so I cannot get the build information, but if it''s important, I can post it his evening.

Many Thanks,
Gene Levine
post #88 of 662
Thread Starter 
I believe that most of the issues posted so far can be fixed with a firmware update. I have built computers with DVD burners and I have often updated firmwares to fix similar issues with disk problems. I would suggest that we all report the issues that we are having to Toshiba. They were very good with the firmware updates with the A1 and I expect that they will do the same with the A2. The hardest issue I think will be the HDCP handshake with all types of equipment and the problems with DVI-HDMI connections. I would also hope that some of you are a little patient. If you go and read the thread under non HD players about the Oppo you will notice that it too had many issues when it was released. AVS Forum members made suggested and listed issues. With the firmware updates the Oppo is a much better unit. I think the same will hold true for the Toshiba units. Be sure to send in you pink cards and to call Toshiba with any issues you are having. Continue to post issues in this thread. I am sure Toshiba will be reading it.
post #89 of 662
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Originally Posted by lagcal3 View Post

What to here something funny? I'm sitting at home reading all this Nemo stuff and saying to myself. Look at these idiots. A few people most likley with scratched to hell disks, that their 3 year olds insist on putting into their players like my daughter does, cant play Nemo and it's an epidemic!

I've played HD-dvd's and Sd-DVD's no problems with layer changes on any SD and no problems with playback. Well just for the heck of it I went upstairs and got Nemo and holy SH@!, my player did the same thing. I turned the player off and on a few times and it did not work. I played a HD-DVD then tried the disk and it would not work. Finally I just put in another SD disk and then tried it right after and Viola, works now.

Not only did I feel stupid, being an engineer i'm going nuts trying to figure out why only this disk. I wonder if you rip the copy protections off the disk into a back up copy would this solve the problem? Hopefully firmware will fix this and my daughter will be happily watching upconverted Nemo for the 15,682,466,352 time


ahhh,... my "3 yr old" is 25 yrs old...so that wasnt my Nemo problem..lol
post #90 of 662
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Originally Posted by elevine View Post


Any thoughts or suggestions will be appreciated.

Gene Levine

Hi Gene:

I can offer my TWO CENTS worth of help.

I use to have a 2307CI with a HD-A1.

It worked fine with my CRT Displays and my Sony Ruby.

Just this weekend - while configuring a new setup here - I ran into a HDMI
Handshake problem where there had been NONE before. This is with one of
my SONY HD-DVRs. Guess what I found was the PROBLEM?

A bad HDMI Cable. And STRANGELY enough - I got a GREAT High-Def picture
on SOME Channels and HDMI Handshake errors on other channels. I assumed
it was because some high-def channels and even low-def channels where sending
out some HDCP info. CHANGING the cable made it all WORK.

If you have any spare cables - give that a try.

BOTTOM LINE - your problem does sound like a HDCP handshake issue with
some piece of equipment.

I'd also try to run the HD-A2 directly to the Sharp - just to see if the handshake
works OK in the configuration. ONLY A TEST!
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