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post #181 of 417
I havent posted in a long while but i just received my JL Fathom a few days ago and must share my thoughts....WOW !!. This sub is simply the most accurate, richly sounding, smoothest sub i have ever heard. after listening to numerous brands including Velodyne DD 15, B&W, Revel, Rel, M&K (i have an all M&K speaker system w/Rotel RSX 1055) and a few others, JL sounded better and reproduced LFE better than all. The automated calibration system makes it real easy to set the sub for bass response-optimization.

The sub is extremely detailed yet thunders when called upon. Transitions from mid to low frequencies is flawless. I use Gladiator DTS-ES for reference and i was literally able to discern material I never realized was there. In the opening battle scene, numerous LFE sounds like horses running, catapults, explosions, etc are present and the JL flushed them all out with such detail; i was literally almost speachless.

I got a great deal off a dealer on Audiogon located in NJ (if interested, PM me, i will give the info). If you are interested in a truely world class sub with unbelieveable performance, i would highly recommend this sub (that is of course if you don't already have it)....Just my thoughts.
post #182 of 417
I bought an F112 about two months ago ( a blind purchase ) ... Having not been happy about how the HSU VTF-HO with turbo was re-acting in my room. Prior to the HSU, I had some older SVS tubes, some 15 inch sealed James Cinema subs and other various brands.
Ive read over and over here on the forums that sealed or ported didnt matter anymore , but my experience was that of all the subs I had, I enjoyed the sealed James subs the most ( at one point I had 4 of them, but ended up with two as my final number ) that is untill the Fathom. People use the term "blown away" all the time and I try not to use that term, but in this case I must say I was blown away by this subwoofer...It is quality all around, Sound quality is sooo pleasing to me, tight, impactfull, and has pretty dag gone good spls and goes down to around 16 hz with the help of my room gain. I had never had "it all" before the fathom ( quality and quanity ) . Plus I get a quality cabinet, great build quality and small size too boot. Cant ask for anything more
post #183 of 417
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Originally Posted by xcjago View Post

Hey that's great Warpdrv. I bet the F112 sounds fantastic with those Paradigm Sigs. I don't suppose you have any pictures of the setup?


Ok I just got my new dresser yesterday, so I am not as ashamed to post some pics... I threw some out over at the Paradigm thread, so I'll just link it... http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post13543180

Equipment list is posted there as well...
post #184 of 417
Nice system Warpdrv! How big is the display? I know you said the pic's make it look small, but I'll bet the sound is much "bigger" than the display.

With your F112 in the corner, have you run ARO? When I had just one F112 and it was in the corner, ARO did a spectacular job for me.

Craig
post #185 of 417
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Originally Posted by craig john View Post

Nice system Warpdrv! How big is the display? I know you said the pic's make it look small, but I'll bet the sound is much "bigger" than the display.

With your F112 in the corner, have you run ARO? When I had just one F112 and it was in the corner, ARO did a spectacular job for me.

Craig

thanks craig.... Runnin a 42" 8UK, great display but I bought a mount to handle a 50, so when I upgrade in the great room (studio setup) I'll more then likely move that 50" 9UK in here...

The sound is phenomenal, I really love the Sigs... Excellent dynamics, clean sound - power and punch with the D-Sonic 1000ASP's behind them... but hey... everyone has their own speaker love and this thread is about F112..

I ran the ARO, and in my room, it completely softened the blow, which turned me off to it, for now... I guess I just like more EQ options and ability but I am definitely a man of measurements, and thats this room, so I have a ton of ground to cover in the bass department, I need to bring my SMS-1 in here and run a passive test and see how it measures out... but honestly, room gain, and compared to my other system with Dual Plus/2's, the F112 pummels this room without question.... nor adjustment as it sits IMO.

Ultimately I have my sights set on a SVS AS-EQ1 for my great room, and to bring the SMS in here, but ultimately I'm not totally sure I need it.This Sub just pumps it out, completely balanced IMO. If I hadn't heard it for myself, I would have never believed it, the F112 is just honest to god Thunder, plain and simple.
post #186 of 417
Our sub was reviewed today on the "Secrets" website:
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/subwo...bwoofer_5.html

It's a purely "subjective" review, but Colin Miller clearly loved them!

Craig
post #187 of 417
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Originally Posted by craig john View Post

Our sub was reviewed today on the "Secrets" website:
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/subwo...bwoofer_5.html

It's a purely "subjective" review, but Colin Miller clearly loved them!

Craig

I would say so! The last section cracked me up....
post #188 of 417
Another great review by Colin and this one straight from the heart. Yeah, those final impressions summed up how we all felt after a month of dual Fathoms. Those closing impressions are worth posting:

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The impressions have held after living with them for months:
“My #%*^ing lord, Carl.

“While I've never had the pleasure of TWO MX-5000 mkII's for comparison . . . .

“This is way better than sliced Montery Jack cheese with a bottle of good wine and a wicked beef stew.

“With the right music, I'm alone in the house in a cold sweat, giggling like a little freaking girl. I get definition, depth, and dynamics fit for a sloppy wet dream. I'm hearing $#^+ in the low stuff I haven't heard with good headphones.

“I'd really like to call you an @**hole for having such a profound effect on my emotional state, but I think I love you.

“Thanks for stimulating my addiction.

“Seriously, thanks. I haven't had anything this refreshing from audio equipment since a long, long time. This is the kind of $#^+ that makes me want to believe again.

I think he liked it...alot.
post #189 of 417
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Originally Posted by jakeman View Post

Another great review by Colin...
I think he liked it...alot.

I agree... and I like my Fathom pair A LOT!

I just wish he had included some of the measurements that Ed Mullen used to do when he was a Secrets reviewer. It would have been nice to correlate some objective data with subjective impressions.

Craig
post #190 of 417
That Review was EPIC !!!!

I nearly pee'd in my pants...
post #191 of 417
I hear you Craig. JJ does say that "Yes, the bench tests will be published eventually. We have to get some more test equipment sent over to Colin."

In retrospect, it appears that Ed's reviews were exceptionally well done from both a quantitative aspect as well as a subjective listening perspective. Not many reviewers will have his technical expertise or the equipment needed to measure various performance parameters . It will likely remain the bar for these types of reports.

Still, I enjoy the rare report like this one where a savvy writer actually conveys the emotion and sense of discovery of a wonderful audio component. I've heard many subs but none of them had the "definition, depth, and dynamics fit for a sloppy wet dream ". Won't find that in the quantitative section.
post #192 of 417
Fortunately, such unabashed gushing is rare but in this case, totally justified. JL has done something special with these subs and deserves the recognition.
Personally, I don't need the numbers to explain what I hear in a piece of Audio gear.
post #193 of 417
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Personally, I don't need the numbers to explain what I hear in a piece of Audio gear.

AAAAAAAAMEN!!!
post #194 of 417
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Personally, I don't need the numbers to explain what I hear in a piece of Audio gear.

Well, I don't ....NEED.... the numbers to tell me what I hear either, but I find them useful and informative nonetheless. I find them reassuring when they match what I hear.

Also, I don't place a lot of stock in purely subjective reviews, especially speaker reviews. They're just someone's *opinion*, and as such are not of much value to me. A review where the reviewer measures what he hears and the two correlate is, in my view, a much more useful and comprehensive review.

Having said that, I happen to share Collins *opinion* of these sub's, and that's why I brought the review to the attention of the thread members.

Craig
post #195 of 417
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Originally Posted by craig john View Post

Well, I don't ....NEED.... the numbers to tell me what I hear either, but I find them reassuring when they match what I hear.

Good point, I find the number 6 to be the most reassuring err wait a minute, it's actually the number 3 cause it helps me sleep at night no darn it that's not right, it's 11, cause it's one more than 10 you see.
post #196 of 417
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Good point, I find the number 6 to be the most reassuring err wait a minute, it's actually the number 3 cause it helps me sleep at night no darn it that's not right, it's 11, cause it's one more than 10 you see.

They have medication for that...
post #197 of 417
Just bought the Fl112.....I have to wait one week. I hope they match up well with my aerial 9s. I need some love down low.

Do most of you place sub in corner or front facing?

Paul
post #198 of 417
I like to see the data as well. It needs to be interpreted mind you since the methodologies and equipment used can influence or bias the results. Usually it goes hand and hand with what you hear but not always. The quantitative data by itself does not give you the complete picture of a subs performance. That's why whenever I can I prefer to rely on real time side-by-side listening comparisons with a variety of cds/dvds to provide a truer basis for assessment. I put little or no weight on lists ranking many subs from different sessions based on a few graphs or a brief listening session.
post #199 of 417
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Originally Posted by DOMAIN64 View Post

Just bought the Fl112.....I have to wait one week. I hope they match up well with my aerial 9s. I need some love down low.

Do most of you place sub in corner or front facing?

Paul

Check out what the guy who designed your sub has to say about placement.

http://theprofessionalanswer.com/WordPress/?p=20
post #200 of 417
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Originally Posted by jakeman View Post

Check out what the guy who designed your sub has to say about placement.

http://theprofessionalanswer.com/WordPress/?p=20

Thanks Jake,

Great link. I guess I wont be needing the lamp post. I will try that with the auto calibration feature as well. I hope 2.1 works for me.

Paul
post #201 of 417
Got my JL about 3 months ago and have been loving it intensely ever since. This little sub provides virtually all the impact from a music standpoint that is possible on compact disc. Through my Cambridge, bass is unbelievably clear and precise in addition to intense bottom-end slams that almost reflect an LFE sort of feel. Bottom line, best compact sub...ever...perhaps one of the best subs available for music also. Unless one is looking for even higher reproduction of musical tracks, and perhaps an REL would do the job, then there is no where else to look then a JL line.

Only minor gripe, and this might have to do with the ARO setting that was programmed by the installation team, is that on some very heavy content, like WOTW and matrix reloaded stuff, the sub level has to be trimmed WAAAAY back in order to avoid intense driver noise from the woofer excursions. Is anyone else seeing this with their F112? At exactly half on the sub gain and 2.5 db hot on the pre pro there is noticeable woofer noise on some very high SPL content. The Jl rep. on the forum responded to my PM about the issue and mentioned that it was probably due to the limiters kicking in within the amp and nothing too unusual. What do other people here typically set their sub levels at for loud, but controlled playback?
post #202 of 417
Posted some info and a Pic of the Upcoming F212 over in the F113 thread.. Check it out here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post13678718
post #203 of 417
I just went through a process of elimination and now have a pair of F112's heading my way to add to the F113 pair currently in my HT. I had considered a pre-order for a pair of F212's and selling my F113's but in the end decided I like the flexibility (and challenge) of a quad sub config.

This process started back in the fall when I had an Audio Get Together (GTG) at my house and we did an informal evaluation of my dual F113's and another forum members SVS PB13 pair. Both sub pairs sounded great but we were able to push both sub pairs to distortion with certain heavy LFE output material (the Pulse DVD being the biggest offender).

Since that time, I have noticed that when really shaking things up (ie running the subs a bit hot ) and playing bass heavy material I could get the Fathoms to "rattle". This is believed to be the Fathoms limiter kicking in to protect the driver from damage. While I'm glad the sub has this protection, I have become a bit of a bass head and wanted more clean output than the dual F113's could provide in my 3600cf room.

I looked at the various options like the ED and Epik monster subs and also considered an IB setup but all of these seemed to have issues (huge, heavy, ugly) or too time consuming and sketchy (IB) for my capabilities and available time. I had already heard the SVS and it really offered no significant improvement over the Fathoms in output and to me was a bit less articulate.

So the F112's will be here in a week or so and I'll post my impressions. My dealer will be assisting with the install and this will be the first time I have had a "professional" in to evaluate/assist with my system. Should be fun and interesting. There may be another GTG in the offing so I will get other takes on this quad setup as well.
post #204 of 417
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

I just went through a process of elimination and now have a pair of F112's heading my way to add to the F113 pair currently in my HT. I had considered a per-order for a pair of F212's and selling my F113's but in the end decided I like the flexibility (and challenge) of a quad sub config.

This process started back in the fall when I had an Audio Get Together (GTG) at my house and we did an evaluation of my dual F113's and another forum members SVS PB13 pair. Both sub pairs sounded great but we were able to push both sub pairs to distortion with certain heavy LFE output material (the Pulse DVD being the biggest offender).

Since that time, I have noticed that when really shaking things up (ie running the subs a bit hot ) and playing bass heavy material I could get the Fathoms to "rattle". This is believed to be the Fathoms limiter kicking in to protect the driver from damage. While I'm glad the sub has this protection, I have become a bit of a bass head and wanted more clean output than the dual F113's could provide in my 3600cf room.

I looked at the various options like the ED and Epik monster subs and also considered an IB setup but all of these seemed to have issues (huge, heavy, ugly) or too time consuming and sketchy (IB) for my capabilities and available time. I had already heard the SVS and it really offered no significant improvement over the Fathoms in output and to me was a bit less articulate.

So the F112's will be here in a week or so and I'll post my impressions. My dealer will be assisting with the install and this will be the first time I have had a "professional" in to evaluate/assist with my system. Should be fun and interesting. There may be another GTG in the offing so I will get other takes on this quad setup as well.

Wow... That is going to be one serious setup...
post #205 of 417
I am curious why you have chosen the F112s instead of the F113s. I have heard that the 12's are more articulate or is it a $ decision?

This F212 also begs the question.

Paul
post #206 of 417
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Originally Posted by DOMAIN64 View Post

I am curious why you have chosen the F112s instead of the F113s. I have heard that the 12's are more articulate or is it a $ decision?

This F212 also begs the question.

Paul

Fair questions. The price was a consideration especially considering (according to JL) that the performance delta between the two is relatively small.

Also, I want to put the F112's inboard of my main LR speakers flanking the AV cabinet. The space is a bit tight so the smaller size of the F112's works better.

Re the F212, $$$$$ plus the above mentioned flexibility of quad subs and delivery is several months out.
post #207 of 417
Hey congrats Rob and welcome to quad land. Nice choice with the JL112s but I had you pegged for another pair of JL113s.

I've been running dual 113s with dual Velo 18s for a while now and you can't beat the extra dynamics and headroom that the additional sub pair brings to the party.

Looking forward to your pics and impressions. Are you going to try and set up the JL112s in stereo or go with quad monos?
post #208 of 417
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Originally Posted by jakeman View Post

Hey congrats Rob and welcome to quad land. Nice choice with the JL112s but I had you pegged for another pair of JL113s.

I've been running dual 113s with dual Velo 18s for a while now and you can't beat the extra dynamics and headroom that the additional sub pair brings to the party.

Looking forward to your pics and impressions. Are you going to try and set up the JL112s in stereo or go with quad monos?

Thanks John, I will try both but quad mono's off of the SMS-1 will be the starting place. My dealer may have other ideas. He is also bringing along some "high end" cables for an A/B with my simple 12 gauge, bi-wired mains. He swears I will hear a difference ... I am open but skeptical .
post #209 of 417
Rob what cables? Depending on the electrical characteristics of the cables and their interaction with the amps or speakers you may hear a difference. Whether or not that difference is an improvement in sound quality is where the problem arises. Unless you have alot of RF interference its doubtful they will be worth the price he will be asking for them. The Blue Jeans or Mogambi cables are a good reference for price and quality comparisons.
post #210 of 417
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Fair questions. The price was a consideration especially considering (according to JL) that the performance delta between the two is relatively small.

Also, I want to put the F112's inboard of my main LR speakers flanking the AV cabinet. The space is a bit tight so the smaller size of the F112's works better.

Re the F212, $$$$$ plus the above mentioned flexibility of quad subs and delivery is several months out.

Looks great,

Ty for the honest answers. If I ever reach 4x sub levels, I will defer to your set up!

Paul
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