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post #1261 of 1421
2/4/11 at 7:40pm
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Originally Posted by bigmac31391 View Post

I have noticed this is Plasma Country! I have a Plasma but LCD (LED) is the way I am going from now on! Too many issues with plasma! Plus , plasma is a done deal in another year or so! (from a very , very reliable source, by the way)

I have read this as well. That pLasma is an old tired technology. I didn't see any high electrical consumption gas filled electron fired plasma Christmas lights this year. All LED lol. LED will be king as soon as they invent the nice blacks and colors of a plasma LCD was kicking plasmas butt in sales in 2010 as well.

But again this might just be the plasma haters blah blah blah!
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post #1262 of 1421
2/4/11 at 10:51pm
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Originally Posted by cabletvsucks View Post

I just read about 200 posts starting from April 24/10. About the time the Panny 2010 G20/25 was mentioned on this forum for the first time.

I can't find anyone who mentioned getting extended warranty for plasma TV's.

IF I go to plasma should I? IS it true plasmas cost more to fix? When I was researching LED-LCD I was fairly confident from many user opinions on forums that it was a waste of money for LED.

What have you guys done, seen, heard etc about plasma?

I know for both LED and plasma that the 2010 models are improved over past years. Many flaws have been corrected.

Thanks
Wayne

Warranties don't cover burn-in. But yeah if your tv has a power issue, a warranty would pay off. I would definitely get it for any tv these days. Square Trade seems to have a good reputation based on the comments made on Amazon.
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post #1263 of 1421
2/4/11 at 10:56pm
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Originally Posted by bigmac31391 View Post

I have noticed this is Plasma Country! I have a Plasma but LCD (LED) is the way I am going from now on! Too many issues with plasma! Plus , plasma is a done deal in another year or so! (from a very , very reliable source, by the way)

Too man issues with LED's as well. Hopefully something blows them both away. No buzz, no input lag, no floating blacks, no rising blacks, no poor off axis viewing, no soap opera effect, no thin textures, no uneven lighting, and etc.
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post #1264 of 1421
2/4/11 at 11:05pm
Panasonic p65vt20 or the ua65c8000 samsung led? Tv mainly used for watching sports... Any idea what is better? Cost doesn't matter
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post #1265 of 1421
2/4/11 at 11:14pm
From what I've heard, the VT series is the tv of the year. Plasma's are especially more effective at 3d. I would go with the VT but make sure you see it first as well though extreme bright lighting would not suit a Plasma.
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post #1266 of 1421
2/5/11 at 5:45pm
Call me crazy if you must. I now have the Panasonic 54G20 sitting in my house along with the SAmsung 55c6300.

No more debate for me. I will find out now which one is better, in my home. No bright store lights, no torch mode. FUll power 1080i HDTV.

The loser is going back. Any bets?

Stay tuned!!!

Wayne
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post #1267 of 1421
2/5/11 at 6:28pm
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Originally Posted by cabletvsucks View Post

Call me crazy if you must. I now have the Panasonic 54G20 sitting in my house along with the SAmsung 55c6300.

No more debate for me. I will find out now which one is better, in my home. No bright store lights, no torch mode. FUll power 1080i HDTV.

The loser is going back. Any bets?

Stay tuned!!!

Wayne

Should be interesting. Definitely get some settings for both tv's to look their best. Also watch them both during the day and at night to see where one suffers the most in different environments. We will find out who is king.
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post #1268 of 1421
2/5/11 at 9:45pm
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Originally Posted by neoshredder27 View Post

Warranties don't cover burn-in. But yeah if your tv has a power issue, a warranty would pay off. I would definitely get it for any tv these days. Square Trade seems to have a good reputation based on the comments made on Amazon.

I bought from a place that pays back the warranty cost in full if not used in 4 years. Not money back, but store credit towards a future purchase. Sure it's a money maker for the business, and I never take extra warranty on anything. But can't lose with this one.
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post #1269 of 1421
2/6/11 at 4:00pm
Had the G20 plasma on now for 3 hours. I have it on THX, but did not adjust much for PQ yet. I have answers already to some questions I had. And so far the majority opinions from forum users and the manufacturer are pretty much right on.

Xbox Game play---PLASMA WINS---

Way better! The controls are just like the old CRT I used to play on. The LED 6300 was off. Maybe the 4ms response time or the 120hz, I don't know, but Plasma way better for game play.
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post #1270 of 1421
2/6/11 at 4:05pm
SD PROGRAMS----LED WINS----

SD, standard definition is noticeably worse on the plasma. This confirms what many reviews have said about the G20/25. Worse then the old CRT!!!
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post #1271 of 1421
2/6/11 at 5:30pm
The big questions are still left. That being which offers the better HD picture. I think it is pretty even. Just what you prefer to see more. Bright whites or dark blacks. More pop or more natural picture.
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post #1272 of 1421
2/6/11 at 6:40pm
Yes yes true. I'm not marking the HD yet until I adjust a little. So far I LIke!
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post #1273 of 1421
2/7/11 at 6:40am
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Originally Posted by cabletvsucks View Post

Had the G20 plasma on now for 3 hours. I have it on THX, but did not adjust much for PQ yet. I have answers already to some questions I had. And so far the majority opinions from forum users and the manufacturer are pretty much right on.

Xbox Game play---PLASMA WINS---

Way better! The controls are just like the old CRT I used to play on. The LED 6300 was off. Maybe the 4ms response time or the 120hz, I don't know, but Plasma way better for game play.

Play a 60fps game and see why plasma is so great for gaming.
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post #1274 of 1421
2/7/11 at 8:25am
I am in the same boat - i have hte g20 at the house, but i'm thinking of taking it back because of the odd look to the pictures.

Sometimes it looks amazing though, and the colour is great, but I found the colour acceptable on the 6300.. too.

wish i had them side by side to compare all my media.
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post #1275 of 1421
2/7/11 at 8:28am
The 360/ps3 comments throw me off too. I basically chucked my 6300 because everyone said you gotta go plasma and then i played the same games and noticed there was blur anyway. I think the blur is built into the media itself most of the time.
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post #1276 of 1421
2/7/11 at 8:51am
Yes this whole HDTV thing actualy is disappointing. I think I'll just plug in my 10 yr old JVC 36" and take both back!! Ok kidding lol. But I do think neither are the perfect all around TV.
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post #1277 of 1421
2/7/11 at 8:53am
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Originally Posted by dynas2001 View Post

The 360/ps3 comments throw me off too. I basically chucked my 6300 because everyone said you gotta go plasma and then i played the same games and noticed there was blur anyway. I think the blur is built into the media itself most of the time.

I didn't see any blur or fault in the PQ, just the controls are off on the 6300.
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post #1278 of 1421
2/7/11 at 8:57am
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Originally Posted by dynas2001 View Post

I am in the same boat - i have hte g20 at the house, but i'm thinking of taking it back because of the odd look to the pictures.

Sometimes it looks amazing though, and the colour is great, but I found the colour acceptable on the 6300.. too.

wish i had them side by side to compare all my media.

I kind of agree about the color. I like the LED PQ colors. But the Plasmas have great colors also.

If you want me to check something out about either one, let me know.
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post #1279 of 1421
2/7/11 at 9:00am
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Originally Posted by Mastperf View Post

Play a 60fps game and see why plasma is so great for gaming.

Oh, just want to point out that for game play I have both TV's on their game modes. THX on G20 and Movie mode for the 6300 for reg TV.
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post #1280 of 1421
2/9/11 at 7:12pm
I just want to tell you guys that I was taking the loser TV back. Well I have taken the time now to test both LED and Plasma quite well, and found that neither are a loser TV. I have adjusted my initial findings as well.

Game play.....Plasma wins Only slightly better though. No PQ problems, just sloppy controls. Both on game modes.

SD Programming.....TIE Both are crappy. And some channels are better then others.

Screen glare......LED WINS 6300 only slightly better with the gloss black screen. No PQ problems with the G20 in full daylight with light setting adjustment. This is providing windows do not face the TV and no direct sunlight, as my room is.
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post #1281 of 1421
2/9/11 at 7:14pm
PICTURE QUALITY
Picture Quality colors......Plasma wins . It is true. NIce dark blacks with rich natural colors as stated by the plasma lovers. But only slightly better. The 6300 has brighter colors that look almost as good.

Picture image sharpness.....LED WINS I still think even at 13 ft [55" TV] viewing distance that plasma does not show as sharp and crisp a picture. But again very close.

Image Blur......TIE I will have to look at this further, but for now I see not much difference.

Overall I think they both great TV's, and have not decided which to take back. The plasma colors are nicer but they are not "WOW" nicer. LED colors are brighter but sharper. I think the choice will come down to what a person likes better, not which one is better. Myself I think I like the brighter picture. Both TV's can be tweaked to almost the PQ you want.

So no clear winner for me. With 2 top quality TV's it can go either way IMO. Also it is true that the G20 is far better looking inhome then instore. Clearer and less grainy. I'm glad to have the inhome plasma experience.



What you guys think?
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post #1282 of 1421
2/9/11 at 8:04pm
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Originally Posted by cabletvsucks View Post

PICTURE QUALITY
Picture Quality colors......Plasma wins . It is true. NIce dark blacks with rich natural colors as stated by the plasma lovers. But only slightly better. The 6300 has brighter colors that look almost as good.

Picture image sharpness.....LED WINS I still think even at 13 ft viewing distance that plasma does not show as sharp and crisp a picture and any closer viewing it gets worse.

Image Blur......TIE I will have to look at this further, but for now I see not much difference.

Overall I think they both great TV's, and have not decided which to take back. The plasma colors are nicer but they are not "WOW" nicer. LED colors are brighter but sharper. I think the choice will come down to what a person likes better, not which one is better. Myself I think I like the brighter picture. Both TV's can be tweaked to almost the PQ you want.

So no clear winner for me. With 2 top quality TV's it can go either way IMO.

What you guys think?

I agree with this. If you want a sharp pinpoint image, LED is the way. If you want a deep contrast, deep blacks, and pretty colors in a dark atmosphere, Plasma is the way. It's the reason that both technologies are hanging around. Not an easy answer and I think it comes down to the type of environment you choose to watch your tv in. A dark room like a theater would suit Plasma. I prefer a theater like atmosphere so I prefer Plasma. It just seems to have more depth to it. Though it would look kinda dull in a bright room with the settings I like.
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post #1283 of 1421
2/10/11 at 1:17pm
I don't know if you guys can help me, but I am currently doing a side by side comparison of a Sony 60EX700 (LED edge lit LCD, that CNET judged as Mediocre), and a Samsung 58C8000 Plasma (CNET #2TV). I set the Samsung to Movie, which is the CNET recommended best setting, and started with the Sony on Cinema (and heavily tweeked it to duplicate the Plasma's color contrast etc.). I am still figuring out the whole color comparison, but what I am finding is that the LCD has a deeper black level than the plasma (by a fairly wide margin). This is totally contrary to everything I've read; to the point that I am wondering what I am doing wrong. First let me say that I am using a HD Cable feed (1080i @ 60 hz) so I am wondering if perhaps cable does not put out a true black IRE level? (does anyone know)?
I am also going to use ALL of the CNET's recommended settings, but I am fairly confident that that will not be a drastic change. I will try a DVD this evening. And no I don't have a BlueRay player (yet) please no flaming I'll rectify that situation shortly. I chose the cable feed, because that is what I watch most of the time, and I can run my two HD cable boxes simultaneously and see the exact same picture on both screens (for direct comparison).
Another ancillary question: can I split an HDMI signal? (or buy a BlueRay player with two HDMI outputs?) . Otherwise I am at a severe disadvantage, as both pictures are extremely nice and I fear my visual memory is not good enough to spot the subtle differences.
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post #1284 of 1421
2/10/11 at 3:19pm
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I don’t know if you guys can help me, but I am currently doing a side by side comparison of a Sony 60EX700 (LED edge lit LCD, that CNET judged as Mediocre), and a Samsung 58C8000 Plasma (CNET #2TV). I set the Samsung to “Movie”, which is the CNET recommended best setting, and started with the Sony on Cinema (and heavily tweeked it to duplicate the Plasma’s color contrast etc.). I am still figuring out the whole color comparison, but what I am finding is that the LCD has a deeper black level than the plasma (by a fairly wide margin). This is totally contrary to everything I’ve read; to the point that I am wondering what I am doing wrong. First let me say that I am using a HD Cable feed (1080i @ 60 hz) so I am wondering if perhaps cable does not put out a “true black” IRE level? (does anyone know)?
I am also going to use ALL of the CNET’s recommended settings, but I am fairly confident that that will not be a drastic change. I will try a DVD this evening. And no I don’t have a BlueRay player (yet) … please no flaming I’ll rectify that situation shortly. I chose the cable feed, because that is what I watch most of the time, and I can run my two HD cable boxes simultaneously and see the exact same picture on both screens (for direct comparison).
Another ancillary question: can I split an HDMI signal? (or buy a BlueRay player with two HDMI outputs?) …. Otherwise I am at a severe disadvantage, as both pictures are extremely nice and I fear my “visual memory” is not good enough to spot the subtle differences.

How bright is it in your room? Is there a light source shining directly on the panel? Plasma panels will appear grey in bright environments or with direct light shining on them. Does the LCD panel appear darker than the plasma panel when the sets are off? Try darkening the environment as much as possible and then comparing the two.

As for HDMI splitters, they are available at monoprice. You want an active/powered splitter.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/su...01&cp_id=10113
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post #1285 of 1421
2/10/11 at 3:58pm
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Originally Posted by milkfat View Post

How bright is it in your room? Is there a light source shining directly on the panel? Plasma panels will appear grey in bright environments or with direct light shining on them. Does the LCD panel appear darker than the plasma panel when the sets are off? Try darkening the environment as much as possible and then comparing the two.

As for HDMI splitters, they are available at monoprice. You want an active/powered splitter.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/su...01&cp_id=10113

That's why I am so bothered. It was night, and the room was dark (no lights on). I was diplaying a "completely dark" scene for a HD Cable source, and the LCD was fairly dark, the Plasma was noticably lighter. I've got to have something hosed up... but damn it I know what it is. And yes the LCD is noticable darker in ambient light (which I find to pretty much universally true). It's definitely not an ambient light issue.
From what I can gather it's either:
1) the source (not a true "black" cause it's Cable)
2) my settings (I'm using factory Samsung "Movie"... I reset it just in case)
3) or I somehow have a dud
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post #1286 of 1421
2/10/11 at 4:06pm
Did you try switching out the cable boxes in terms of what is connected to the TVs? A different HDMI cable might help to narrow it down also.
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post #1287 of 1421
2/11/11 at 9:45am
I noticed that there is a blinking green LED emanating from the back of my new Samsung 58C8000 (from the central ventilated portion of the set). If I look on the circuit board the LED is labeled LED 2000/LED 2001). I'm guessing that this is not normal, anyone else had this issue?
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post #1288 of 1421
2/11/11 at 5:58pm
THE PANASONIC PLASMA G20 IS GONE!!

I'm sad now But one had to go. After 4 days of checking, tweaking etc the choice became clear. I like the brighter colors & sharper images for PQ. Biggest reason was the overall dark tones to the PQ on the plasma. Gaming looked darker as well. I'm sick of watching a dark black toned picture. In fact it is a nice & refreshing break to watch a brighter and very colorful imagine, then a screen that was just like or darker then the tube picture we stuck with for last 40 yrs.

But nothing wrong with the G20 at all. Deeper natural colors. Lots of tweaking options. Sports looks good on it. It's a better looking TV frame and is built stronger. Many more connections if you're hooking everything up to the TV instead of a receiver. If you're a plasma lover I recommend it. I'm glad I had the opportunity to test one.

I might return the 6300 as well, due to the slight gaming lag. But I got such a good deal on it. Below cost price. And it is a very good edge lit LED.
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post #1289 of 1421
2/11/11 at 6:23pm
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Originally Posted by cabletvsucks View Post

THE PANASONIC PLASMA G20 IS GONE!!

I'm sad now But one had to go. After 4 days of checking, tweaking etc the choice became clear. I like the brighter colors & sharper images for PQ. Biggest reason was the overall dark tones to the PQ on the plasma. Gaming looked darker as well. I'm sick of watching a dark black toned picture. In fact it is a nice & refreshing break to watch a brighter and very colorful imagine, then a screen that was just like or darker then the tube picture we stuck with for last 30 yrs.

But nothing wrong with the G20 at all. Deeper natural colors. Lots of tweaking options. Sports looks good on it. It's a better looking TV frame and is built stronger. Many more connections if you're hooking everything up to the TV instead of a receiver. If you're a plasma lover I recommend it. I'm glad I had the opportunity to test one.

I might return the 6300 as well, due to the slight gaming lag. But I got such a good deal on it. Below cost price. And it is a very good edge lit LED.

Fair enough. I can see why some prefer those brighter colors. Did you test the Custom Mode as the brightness is much more. I think it sacrifices PQ to do that though. Anyways might want to test out the LG LX9500 as some say are the best LED's. I hear Fry's has the 47 inch and 55-inch at good prices if you got one nearby.
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post #1290 of 1421
2/11/11 at 7:58pm
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Originally Posted by neoshredder27 View Post

Fair enough. I can see why some prefer those brighter colors. Did you test the Custom Mode as the brightness is much more. I think it sacrifices PQ to do that though. Anyways might want to test out the LG LX9500 as some say are the best LED's. I hear Fry's has the 47 inch and 55-inch at good prices if you got one nearby.

I'm in Canada! FRy's what's that lol. I agree PQ might suffer, and did several tweaking run downs that I found on the G20 owners forum for CUstom Mode. LX9500, top of the line LG? MIght be expensive up here.
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