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post #1321 of 1440
Hmmm- NO Dan you not the only one. I have a 55 inch Vizio 240 Hz 2.5 years old in my living room that I see motion artifacts all the time on. I actually go downstairs to watch Hockey on a 50 inch Panasonic plasma that is 5 years old because it bugs me. I am also in the same decision making process as many on this forum- have a room that is 16 X 19 feet will a lot of windows that allow direct sun into the room. Prefer the quality of picture and motion function of a plasma, but am worried about the sun reflecting on the screen. Also please note I game with my PC on the plasma all the time and it works great. So, waiting for a solution ..... will probably go with a plasma and good curtains for the room.
post #1322 of 1440
Allright guys. First post here, but I've read through tons of these fourms prior to purchasing a Sharp LC52LE925UN 52 inch LED LCD TV a few days ago.
After a few days I'm not sure I'm happy with the TV. Viewing angle is crap and there are some intersting quirks when watching different media.

I was thinking of swapping it for the Panasonic VIERA TC-P55ST30 55-Inch 1080p 3D Plasma per several poster recomendations. This is a larger set with the similar price of what I just bought.

But..... I went to Fry's last night to spend some time looking at it and it had some significant "Burn-in" or image retintion from the Blu-ray menu that is probally on all hours of the day at that store (which is probally not normal).

It really had an amazing picture and it was luckily next to the same Sharp I just brought home.

I'm just really hung up reguarding that burn-in though. I was almost ready to make the purchase yesterday until i saw that. I have my desktop computer hooked up to the TV that I occasionally use, so I'm really on the fence.

Any suggestions?
post #1323 of 1440
Need 3 posts to post link to specifications of the two TV's I'm in a dilemma with
post #1324 of 1440
Hi everyone. I am in the market to buy a new HDTV. I am looking for something between 50-55 inches. I can spend up to about 2600. I am debating between a LCD and Plasma. I will be using the tv to watch 30% sports, 30% video games, and 30% Bluray, DVDs, and HD television. I would be roughly 8-10 feet away. A few multiple viewing angles and a room that I can for the most part control the lighting. Can you guys make some suggestions? Also as far as the gaming it would be mostly COD and NHL 11. Will these I believe they are static images effect the tv alot? Thanks so much.
post #1325 of 1440
I've been using a Samsung 50 inch plasma for like 4 years now or so, and i have no complaints or whatsoever. But it's HD ready and not FULL HD. Recently i saw a 60 inch samsung full HD plasma at a friend's house and the difference was rather crystal clear. I've decided to go for a new tv. And my plan is to go 55 or even 60 inch.

I've been looking in the shop and there's all kinds of plasmas and LED's at discount prices. However i'm in no rush and i'm gonna do some thorough research first before buying anything. I've been told by people that LED gives you a ridiculously crisp and clear picture while gaming, but LED also has its problems like clouding and black levels apparently aren't always all that great.

With my plasma i haven't had any real problems except for the image retention, which on my plasma happens quite soon, a still image in a game for too long temporarily burns into the screen and goes away eventually. But it never permanently burns in though. I've also heard that plasma's are faster in terms of response time and LED can be a bit slower in this.

I just want to know what is best for gaming. So in short:

- Needs to be full HD
- 50 inch is ok, but i'd like to go for 55/60 inch.
- Good response time,no lags.
- Affordable... (my budget is around 800-1000 euros)
post #1326 of 1440
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Originally Posted by Moonwalker1982 View Post

I've been using a Samsung 50 inch plasma for like 4 years now or so, and i have no complaints or whatsoever. But it's HD ready and not FULL HD. Recently i saw a 60 inch samsung full HD plasma at a friend's house and the difference was rather crystal clear. I've decided to go for a new tv. And my plan is to go 55 or even 60 inch.

I've been looking in the shop and there's all kinds of plasmas and LED's at discount prices. However i'm in no rush and i'm gonna do some thorough research first before buying anything. I've been told by people that LED gives you a ridiculously crisp and clear picture while gaming, but LED also has its problems like clouding and black levels apparently aren't always all that great.

With my plasma i haven't had any real problems except for the image retention, which on my plasma happens quite soon, a still image in a game for too long temporarily burns into the screen and goes away eventually. But it never permanently burns in though. I've also heard that plasma's are faster in terms of response time and LED can be a bit slower in this.

I just want to know what is best for gaming. So in short:

- Needs to be full HD
- 50 inch is ok, but i'd like to go for 55/60 inch.
- Good response time,no lags.
- Affordable... (my budget is around 800-1000 euros)


Hi Moonwalker,

I recently went through the same process when purchasing my Panasonic 55" GT30. I can say that I've played roughly 50+ hours of final fantasy 12 on this TV without the slightest amount of burn-in. After completing the game, my TV showed no signs of burn-in. If the slightest amount of burn-in appears, run the sliding bar tool for 15 minutes and all your worries disappear.

Main reason I purchased this TV is that I am a competitive gamer, and many of the TVs available today suffer from major input lag. The Viera 30 series all have the same plasma panels. Most notable differences in each model come from the bezel design as many of the bells and whistles must be disabled in order to reduce input lag.

Thanks

Josh
post #1327 of 1440
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Originally Posted by Uronacid View Post
Hi Moonwalker,

I recently went through the same process when purchasing my Panasonic 55" GT30. I can say that I've played roughly 50+ hours of final fantasy 12 on this TV without the slightest amount of burn-in. After completing the game, my TV showed no signs of burn-in. If the slightest amount of burn-in appears, run the sliding bar tool for 15 minutes and all your worries disappear.

Main reason I purchased this TV is that I am a competitive gamer, and many of the TVs available today suffer from major input lag. The Viera 30 series all have the same plasma panels. Most notable differences in each model come from the bezel design as many of the bells and whistles must be disabled in order to reduce input lag.

Thanks

Josh


Thanks man, i've made my decision. It's definitely gonna be a plasma. Either a Panasonic plasma or a Samsung.
post #1328 of 1440
Please let us know what you end up deciding between Panasonic or Samsung.
post #1329 of 1440
I am a newbie, please bear with me if this is a stupid question.

I found both of these tv's under 500USD for 42 inches and not sure which one to buy. Please advice.
post #1330 of 1440
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Originally Posted by Uronacid View Post

Hi Moonwalker,

I recently went through the same process when purchasing my Panasonic 55" GT30. I can say that I've played roughly 50+ hours of final fantasy 12 on this TV without the slightest amount of burn-in. After completing the game, my TV showed no signs of burn-in. If the slightest amount of burn-in appears, run the sliding bar tool for 15 minutes and all your worries disappear.

Main reason I purchased this TV is that I am a competitive gamer, and many of the TVs available today suffer from major input lag. The Viera 30 series all have the same plasma panels. Most notable differences in each model come from the bezel design as many of the bells and whistles must be disabled in order to reduce input lag.

Thanks

Josh

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Originally Posted by Moonwalker1982 View Post

Thanks man, i've made my decision. It's definitely gonna be a plasma. Either a Panasonic plasma or a Samsung.

Heya Moonwalker1982,

im actually just in the same boat as you.
not many "higher-repped" AVSers reply in this particular thread, so i recently made my own, asking your same question.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post20683923

despite what Uronacid said, there's still comments about "Gaming/HTPC + Plasma = BAD"...even if it's a 2011 "burn-in-proof" series of Plasmas.


which is what i want to ask Uronacid now, how long are your "competitive gaming" sessions ? What games ? aside from Final Fantasy..

im actually right about to purchase my GT30 already from Amazon...but im hung up now i'm not sure if i should stick with Plasma.. sacrifice PQ/Size/Price i can get with a Plasma for LCD instead? LCD's at present seem to have a bigger list of problems (Screen peeling, banding, uneven lighting, blotchy, blooming, haloing, shallow blacks, edge bleed, corner leaks, etc) compared to Plasmas (burn-in/IR, Fbr).

again, i reiterate, primary purpose would most likely be gaming and youtube/hulu video streaming(5 days a week), with blu-ray movies just on the weekends (2 days a week).
BUT i personally want the best PQ i can get for my dollar, which in my opinion, screams Plasma, not LCD.
post #1331 of 1440
To keep this moderately short, I'm looking to buy a new t.v. because I'm moving and the one I bought a couple years ago is too small. I've been researching and researching and think I've decided to go with a plasma, even though it scares me a little. Every time I've been looking online for info I end up back at this site reading posts for hours. So I figured this would be the place to look for info. I'm looking to spend around 600usd and am thinking that one of these two models will be the one: Samsung 51" PN51D450 720p or LG 50" 50PT350 720p. I can spend more money if I need to. I mostly use t.v. for watching broadcast cable only but will be getting a blu-ray player at some point. My main question is does this sound like I'm on the right track? Should I be considering something else, LCD? more money for 1080p? etc... From what I can discern, unless you're a huge videophile, or have excellent source content all the time, the resolution isn't as important. I will quit rambling and wait for a reply. Last thing if I am on the right track, is there any tangible reason to choose the samsung over the lg or the other way around? lg has 3hdmi ports samsung has 2 Thank you in advance for any help. You all are the best.
post #1332 of 1440
the tv will have a menu in order to adjust the back ground colour (desk-top colour) or most of them have it.
post #1333 of 1440
lcd for me..i had a kuro and it was aweful...whites were never white..i went over to lcd and will never go back.
imho no plasmas can do whites...i can spot a plasma immediatly in the store...old technology imho
post #1334 of 1440
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Originally Posted by juan kerr View Post
lcd for me..i had a kuro and it was aweful...whites were never white..i went over to lcd and will never go back.
imho no plasmas can do whites...i can spot a plasma immediatly in the store...old technology imho
I prefer plasma but you're criticism is valid. You are wrong about plasma being old tech however, LCD is older. LCD laptops have been around for many years and LCD watches were all the rage in the late 70s when I was in high school.
post #1335 of 1440
Sorry for the long post, hopefully it's not out of place .I just thought I would put my thoughts down for those deciding between Plasma and LCDin hopes that it helps someone out there in a similar situation. Of course this is all based on my own personal experience and opinions. I currently own a Sony EX700 (LCD), and it is right next to a new Samsung 64D7000 plasma (I needed to see what I was missing so I order one) . For me the plasma is going back..

Just a quick word regarding my audiophile-ness. I've been researching TV's for a while, and have a basic understanding of color temperature, and settings etc. (using DVD Essentials, but no meter). I set the Samsung settings to one of the more popular Cal settings I pulled from the XXD7000 Forums, and set the LCD pretty much to match the plasma display as closely as I could (I tried the recommended setting for the LCD, but needed to tweek them to match the plasma more closely).
Here is what I found during the comparison:

Color (except white): Advantage Plasma, While I was able to get the colors to generally look pretty darn close, in some instances the plasma just seems to look a bit better (more pleasing). The LCD generally looks very good and without the two side by side, I was hard pressed to tell the difference. There was a subtle difference, but it was a matter of taste, which one was better and the differences were for the most part fairly subtle.
White: Advantage LCD (this will be a personal preference) The Plasma picture tends to get warmer. The Warm1 setting on a plasma is pretty close to the Warm2 setting on the LCD. The plasma in Warm2 setting (which seems to be the one most recommended by the experts) gives the whites and yellowish-green-ish tint. One its own it looks fine, but compared directly to the LCD it's tends to look a bit dull. Setting the plasma to Warm1 provided a nearly identical white. This affects the entire grey scale as well. Unless you have a color temperature calibrated eye, I suspect you will be hard pressed to notice a difference. If you like white whites, then LCD will probably prove more to your liking.

Dark Room Performance: Advantage Plasma (and I mean DARK, as in no lights on). The plasmas has better black levels, and it makes for better picture pop. The LCD (Sony in particular) tends to make dark areas a bit blue-ish. Although with almost ANY bias lighting in the room, the difference becomes much more subtle. I was surprised to see that in a totally dark room, the plasma in not totally black, but I was probably expecting too much.

Normal daytime ambient light conditions: Advantage LCD (by a LONG shot). Normal lighting for me is the vertical blinds on a nearby sliding door full closed, with some light filtering through the cracks; I would describe is as dimly light. The plasma looked washed out compared to the LCD. Open the blinds just a crack, and the plasma got totally washed out compared to the plasma. Pretty much ANY light in the room degraded the plasma picture (and again this in just ambient light, not direct sunlight). The Samsung has a Real Black Filter which is supposed to help, but in my situation it really didn't help much. This effect is easy to see, if you look at a display which is OFF, the screen cannot get any darker than that; and the LCD is near black, while the plasma looks grey. Under these conditions the LCD looked better, due to the better black levels. The difference in picture was substantial. (This turned out to be the main reason I am returning it).

I don't watch movies in the dark and always some type of (dim) ambient lighting in the room. So it came down to dark room performance vs. performance with normal (for me) ambient lighting conditions. And the LCD's improved performance in these conditions outweighed the plasmas superior dark room performance (and slightly better color rendition).
Bottom-line from my experience. If you have a dedicated HT where you can STRICKLY control the light (or you prefer to watch your display in the dark), then go for a Plasma. If you're not willing or unable to draw the shades completely when you watch TV, the LCD might be the better choice. For me the extreme sensitivity to ambient light of the plasma panel was the pivotal issue.
. I am shocked to have actually came to that conclusion, as I REALLY wanted to be blown away by the virtues of plasma, but as with everything there are trade-offs. So do't be ashamed to love your LCD or Plasma; they both have their virtues. Just my 2 cents hope that helps someone out there.
post #1336 of 1440
hey zogy,

great post! i found that i agree completely with your observations and opinions. after reading all the professional reviews about the virtues of plasma over lcd, i also really wanted to own a plasma.

i just recently finished comparing a pn59d7000 with an ln52b750 (my old set). i really loved the colors and dark room performance of the plasma, but i rarely watch in a lights off environment. i also really liked the off angle viewing characteristics, perfect screen uniformity and motion resolution of the plasma which killed my old lcd in comparison.

coming from an lcd, i found that the relatively dim whites and overall max brightness of the plasma bothered me a little bit. i'm sure if i didn't have an lcd first it wouldn't have been as much of an issue.

i just arranged for an amazon return today. for me the deal-breaker ended up being the inherent plasma buzz. it was very faint but i couldn't convince myself to ignore it, even though i wanted to do so very badly. of course my wife, my brother, my kids and four friends could not hear it at all. part of me will miss the d7000. it really is a beautiful set and i would recommend it to someone not as determined to seek out flaws as me. for what it's worth, i had it for one month of fairly heavy usage and the screen filter has not peeled at all.

now i might be diving into the dreaded lcd panel lottery. samsung needs to cut out this edge lit crap. i really wish they would make a ccfl lcd in a 60" size or a local dimming led lit from behind.
post #1337 of 1440
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Originally Posted by juan kerr View Post

lcd for me..i had a kuro and it was aweful...whites were never white..i went over to lcd and will never go back.
imho no plasmas can do whites...i can spot a plasma immediatly in the store...old technology imho

^has never seen ISF day on a kuro elite/sig monitor
post #1338 of 1440
Looking to buy 59 or 60" tv. It will be used for watching sports, general tv and movies, I am not a gamer. With that said its between the Plasma Samsung pn59d7000 or LED Samsung un60d6400. The LED is $200 more than the plasma but both tv's come with 3d starter kit free.
My room is medium lighted during day but not real bright direct light.

I'm told that when you go big like 60" that plasma is better, I'm also told that since I'm not a gamer that plasma would also be better.

I stopped in Camera Stop in Medford NJ to make the big purchase and was going to buy the plasma (59" 7000 series) and the sales guy said that LED was the way to go. I have to say the Samsung 6400 LED slim look bezel is alsome.

Any Help would be appreciated
post #1339 of 1440
PLasma all the way!
post #1340 of 1440
I want to pull the trigger tonight. I'm leaning towards plasma, but can you tell me the reason why. I just don't want to be disappointed that I didn't go LED
post #1341 of 1440
Is the Samsung PN59D7000 the right Choice. Less than 2200 including 3d start up kit, also 5 year warranty for only $99.00.
post #1342 of 1440
LED is too bright...not realistic. Plasma is your best bet. I have a Pioneer Kuro, and I've yet to see any TV that looks as good. If I was in the market right now, I would go 100% go plasma.
post #1343 of 1440
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Originally Posted by safe-way View Post

I want to pull the trigger tonight. I'm leaning towards plasma, but can you tell me the reason why. I just don't want to be disappointed that I didn't go LED

I actually just bought a 60 inch sharp LED, and am considering sending it back for a plasma. I am worried about IR though... But the clouding is just to distracting. I feel like I have to turn on my lights and avoid movies with dark scenes now... haha, not something I should have to do after buying a brand new TV!
post #1344 of 1440
let me try to make a resume of wich tecnology someone need to choose ( forget my english please xD).

1) if you will use tv as a monitor pc never choose plasma
2) if you are sensitive to trails on plasma obvious skip this tecnology
3) if you will use tv on a place with very light you can go plasma but is better to go to plasma with good anti reflective screen like VT30 ( wich is more expensive)

if you dont have any problem with 1), 2) or 3) just get a good plasma ( i only recomend panasonic and samsung). the plasma tecnology is the best in image quality (until oled arrive) and is more cheap having a racio of price/performance much better than lcd normal/lcd edge led or fullled.
plasma use twice power consumption compared to a lcd normal but the price in the end of month using the tv 10 hours a day is very low (here in PT the diference will be 6-7€ month)

but if you have any problems mentioned above dont discouraged, you still have great choices.

-> lcd normal have great image quality and have a great racio price / performance too.

-> lcd edge led run aways from this tv´s, worst image quality comparing to lcd normal and are more expensive have a racio price/performance very bad.

->lcd fullled have the better image quality of all lcd but is very expensive.


the best tv for past years always was plasma and for sure will be until oled arrive in market for big screens.
if you have the money buy the best tv exist now: Panasonic VT30, if you want the best on racio price/performance choose Panasonic G30. if you want 3D and you dont want spend so much money on VT30 go to GT30. samsung D8000 (plasma) have extraordinary image quality but here in PT cost more than GT30 (GT30 is a litle better than D8000) so almost no one buy them here.

here in Portugal in all big markets place plasma show crap stuff and lcd led always show hd stuff and people that dont know very well tv´s think plasma have a crap image quality. marketing here is very agressive favour lcd leds...dont know if in UK and US is the same.

the best way to get information about the image quality IMO is read reviews from hdtvtest, is by far the best tv review site in the world. IMO you just need to go store to see if you like the aspect of the tv you want to buy. qualifing the image quality of a tv´s is very easy compared to sound system, where still exist some parameters to measure the quality, in the end the choice resume to a personal taste.

hope this help someone.
greetings from portugal and sorry for the bad english
post #1345 of 1440
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Originally Posted by p_sousa View Post

here in Portugal in all big markets place plasma show crap stuff and lcd led always show hd stuff and people that dont know very well tv´s think plasma have a crap image quality. marketing here is very agressive favour lcd leds...dont know if in UK and US is the same.

No no no... we don't have that "energy consious marketing" strategy here in the US! As long as...

1. It's profitable
2. Consumers buy it

and most importantly..

3. The government hasn't yet imposed any regulations to help protect personal health or the environment... (we're still losing out on potential profit from lead based plastic toys from China )

We will Market and Sell It to the best of our ability!!!
post #1346 of 1440
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Originally Posted by chiromanted View Post

Hmmm- NO Dan you not the only one. I have a 55 inch Vizio 240 Hz 2.5 years old in my living room that I see motion artifacts all the time on. I actually go downstairs to watch Hockey on a 50 inch Panasonic plasma that is 5 years old because it bugs me. I am also in the same decision making process as many on this forum- have a room that is 16 X 19 feet will a lot of windows that allow direct sun into the room. Prefer the quality of picture and motion function of a plasma, but am worried about the sun reflecting on the screen. Also please note I game with my PC on the plasma all the time and it works great. So, waiting for a solution ..... will probably go with a plasma and good curtains for the room.

I have had a PN59D8000 for about 4 months. I have a lot of windows as well, 3 huge windows to the side, 4 windows behind the TV as well.

and yeah, the answer is curtains, but this new plasma handles open curtains well and has much less reflections than my old rear projection set.
post #1347 of 1440
Do it safeway.. They are nice... and $99 for 5 years is great... assuming it is a good company for the warranty.
post #1348 of 1440
I have a 5 year old Panasonic 50 inch plasma and no burn in at all. Don't let that worry you.
post #1349 of 1440
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Originally Posted by ingram4868 View Post

I have a 5 year old Panasonic 50 inch plasma and no burn in at all. Don't let that worry you.

I have a 6 year old Panasonic 42 inch plasma, no burn in here either. I checked the usage a month ago, it was at about 3700 hours.
post #1350 of 1440
I'm looking to get a new tv, I like to upgrade and my new apartment has much larger viewing distances.

Would an LCD or Plasma be better? I'm worried about image retention

40% Sports (sportscenter, football, hockey, soccer, whatever is on) 20% Gaming (NHL, Madden, sports games mostly, with some Gears of War, Red Dead, GTA, etc thrown in) 20% Regular shows (sitcoms, whatever the gf is into) 15% Movies (mostly bluray and streaming) 5% computer use (webbrowsing, photo editing...can just hook my 24" back up if an issue)

I don't really notice motion blurring on my current LCD, but that's probably because I'm so used to it.
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