Official Craigsub rankings thread - Page 52  

No - I have never had one to test, nor even heard one in a store.

I played around with an HO in this configuration for a while, but could not feel nor hear a difference in the deepest bass vs. running the Turbo with both ports open. If memory serves, the tuning point was 13.5 Hz.

A close-miked FR sweep (meaning the microphone is right in front of the driver) will show the tuning point as a severe drop in the curve.

Klipsch Heritage and THX systems for sure ... they are outstanding. Finding reasonably priced (meaning under $3000 per pair), great sounding horn loudspeakers is a difficult task.

I still miss my old Klipsch Belles (circa 2000) ... and still have a pair of 1984 Vintage Cornwalls in our extra garage.

I have even penned a couple of designs for some horn towers that my brother is looking at ... it could be a pseudo DIY project next year.

Thank You

Craig,

I was wondering what you can tell me about Corner placement and how Home theater people handle that if they have Bass Traps Floor to ceiling in all 4 corners.

1. You can't get the Sub into the full corner
2. does being "close" to the corner still considered "corner placement"
3. does being too close to a 24" corner bass trap defeat the purpose of corner placement due to the sub firing into it.

thank you

Kermie ... As long as you are within 1/2 a wavelength, you will get most of the additional bass from the corner. To be safe, let's call it 3 feet.

When using bass traps, It is still suggested that you experiment with placement, though.

The other thing to remember about corner placement is that the materials of the corner will have a pretty big effect regarding how much reinforcing of bas you will get.

Concrete walls will be about the most "powerful" ... while drywall over 2x4's will be relatively leaky.

Then you have room peaks and nulls from the room dimensions.

It can all get pretty daunting - which is one reason why Poh Ser Hsu recommends nearfield placement when possible.

Hey Craig,
Have you had a chance to audition the Definitive Technology Trinity
Signature Sub?
If not, do you plan to?
If yes, obviously, what did you think?
Can it keep up with the big boys, JL f113, DD-18 and such?

dc

I have not seen any mention of the SVS PB12-NSD/2. There was a brief discussion of stacking two PB12-NSD's, but nothing about this sub with two woofers... I was wondering how this would compare to a HSU VTf 3.3 in music and HT. I have been leaning toward the HSU but am not convinced about the side firing vs down firing for my setup which would require having the sub placed next to my right front speaker and the sub firing to the outside. There are no corners and the room is 20 x 20 x 12h and the seating area is toward the left side of the room.

Dual PB-12NSD stacked offer more INTERNAL volume when compared to a PB-12nsd/2

Thus the increased performace....and the increased size...

The PB-12NSD/2 will give you some very impressive SPL numbers...it is a powerful subwoofer

DUAL PB-12NSD's stacked will sound more like a PB-12PLUS/2...

Craig, have you ever auditioned the Vandersteen subs?

I tried contacting a couple of Def Tech's dealers, and they had no clue what the Trinity even was.

Briefly in a store - but not with any kind of stringent testing.

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The PB-12NSD/2 will give you some very impressive SPL numbers...it is a powerful subwoofer
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Any comparison to the VTF 3.3? SVS states that their sub is just as good for music as HT, but from what I have been reading here, the HSU 3.3 has the edge for music. And from what I can tell, the PB-12 NSD/2 has more power for HT...

I believe this was discussed earlier in the thread and the nod was given to the HSU for better sound quality.

The first page of this thread shows the points. Thereafter you just search the thread for the page.

Sounds about right
I've kind of given up on the Trinity.... for now
Think I'll concentrate on the new SVS Ultra which should be out pretty soon

dc

Did you ever rate the H-100? I'm curious to see how you think it compares to the x-sub.

I actually spent a couple of hours last night reading through this thread and just now doing a search of the thread. It is very informative and I appreciate the amount of info contained herein. However, there is virtually no mention of the PB- 12 NSD/2. There is info on the PB-12 NSD and PB-12 plus and PB-12 plus/2, but none on the NSD/2. So I was just wondering if anyone could elaborate on that particular sub since it and the VTF 3.3 are the two that I am sincerely interested in.
bgillyjcu was kind enough to give me his impression on the NSD/2, however I still have no specific comparison to the 3.3. If I can extrapolate the info on the NSD to the NSD/2, then I guess this answers my question. But I don't know if this is a valid assumption. If this comparison is not yet available, I guess I have more searching to do.

The H-100 has about 3 dB higher output than does the Onix X-Sub, but is not as articulate nor as percussive. Overall, after living with it for a while, and having a few others check it out with me, it gets a 76.

One of the subjective differences between it and an X-sub is the X-Sub never left me wanting to hook up one of the "big dogs" while listening to music, while the H-100 did.

Neither hits hard below about 25 Hz for movie spectaculars.

Craig:
I'm curious to know how clean and linear the X sub is compared to the H-100. Thanks.

Ian

Ian - The X-sub is much cleaner up to its limits than is the H-100, and it is also more linear across the response curve. The H-100 might be a good choice for someone doing JUST HT, but I would even take the X-sub in this application.

I have heard the 3.3 with turbo and the PB-12NSD/2 but not TOGETHER.

I've heard them in totally different rooms too.

The 3.3 with turbo is a great subwoofer....looks wise its like an ugly girl that is great in bed.

The PB-12NSD/2 is a pretty big box, but the sound it produces is very big too...Plus the box actually looks nice.

PERFORMANCE wise....the NSD/2 will give you more total SPL....so if you want the most room shaking performance for HT....I'd give it the nod.

If you are not concerned about having that high SPL number....the 3.3 with turbo will dig deeper with turbo because it is tuned lower than the NSD/2. It will still give you some very impressive SPL numbers too!!!

So the moral of the story is.....you really have to define what you want (Breakdown of % of HT use vs % of Music use)

What your listening habits are...Want the deepest of deep giving up some SPL...or cares more about the bass from 20hz up that will shake and slam you thus some higher SPL...

What your listening environment is like...Large room? Small room? How many Cubic feet...is it open or sealed?

Anybody interested in some H100 unboxing pics? Just got mine this morning.

http://picasaweb.google.com/jgillow/...ey=UI5XEC0YmCM

The port plug one was just for fun Perfect fit though.

It survived the burn-in test of Year Zero.

This is so strange as I been asking the same exact question. Where would the PB12-NSD/2 fit on on Craig's list? More importantly, how is it with respect to music applications as we all know the SVS kicks butt in the ht department. I am sure that the PB12-NSD/2 will dig down deep but how is it say from 30 Hz-80 Hz??? Is it articulate and well defined??? Please anyone if you have any experience with the PB12-NSD/2 why not share your observations here. Inquiring minds want to know-especially me.

ANy chance we see an Elemental design 250 or 300??(well under $500)

Ditto..love to see it tested

Craig said he's burnt out on sub tests so.....

That was my dry humor ... I have sent ED a couple of emails, and got no response. When you consider I actually BUY the subwoofers, you would think someone would answer ...

I have some pending orders with SVS that haven't even shipped as well ... (PB12 Plus x 2 in 220v) been about a month now.

they must be overwhelmed with the ultra pre-orders.

looks like the next small subwoofers I order (if I ever) will NOT be the SB12's.

my pet peeves:

1) falling in line for food or items
2) not having a timeframe when waiting for something, give me a date, and I will shut up til that date. but of course, I'll be expecting on the date promised.

Ribbit ... I was referring to ED as in Elemental Designs, not ED as in Ed Mullen.

I have attempted to get the guys at Elemental Designs to sell me a sub ... even tried their on line chat thing. No luck.

If anyone has an idea on this, please let me know.