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They won't sell you a sub???

oh, I thought you were talking about the ultras.

my mistake.

They never responded to my emails. It may be they are really busy.

I would try using their form, or online chat session. I have sent e-mails directly to ED and have not had any response, but generally get a response the next day thru the form submission, and it took only a couple of minutes for the web chat session to be established(at about 10 am PST, They don't seem to connect outside of business hours9-5 CST). Though I could completely understand not wanting to pursue an unresponsive vendor.

The only reason I even bring it up is it's obvious there are quite a few of us who are interested in how they stack up.

Hey Craig, I have been conversating w/Erik K via emails for several weeks now. For the most part, Erik has gotten back to me in a rather timely fashion. However, last week I noticed this was NOT the case. Erik K told me he was having some problems with his email at erik@svsound.com. This may explain why it is taking a bit longer for them (Ed included) to get back to you. I decided to just pick up the phone and call-spoke w/Erik K a couple of times on the phone. Just thought I would mention it since you have helped me out a couple of times. So, are we even now???? Just kiddin!!!!!!!!!!!!..........LOL!!!!

I tried the chat line, too. No luck. I will try again during the day, maybe that will help.

And for clarity ... when I say "ED" I mean Elemental Designs ... not Ed Mullen from SVS.

Just because this is the Internet, I will say this again. I have had no issues getting return mail from Erik or Ed from SVS ... this is about "ED" ... as in Elemental Desgins. I may be trying the wrong approach in contacting them.

I'm sure they will be willing to sell you a sub....Why pass up a sale? Try giving them a call. The online chat and email correspondence are spotty at best. I think your chance of speaking with a person by phone is the better choice with eD.

Hey Craig my bad. Read the post wrong. Thanks for the clarification.

Hello craigsub.

Chris and I are usually the two gentleman on live support for eD.

To be honest with you, neither of us remember talking to you.

I apologize as, we have had numerous reviewer inquire about getting product. But we unfortunately cannot bump a paying customer to get a reviewer product.

We want to catch up with our inventory, so if the review is very positive, we don't run into another a2-300 sale dilemma. We have been slowly stocking inventory.

We have a2-300's in stock, and a3-300, a5-300 stocking inventory in production.

Feel free to call and ask for me directly.

641.792.2501

Thank you.

Alex Lindeman
Elemental Designs.

Alex - We never did talk. When I tried the on line chat thing, no one was home. I left you a message (actually, the nice lady on your voice mail system got the message), and look forward to talking.

Alex returned the call, and we are leaning towards the $350 A2-300 for a first test..

Glad to hear it that. I'm curious to see how it will measure up to the HSU STF2 which is now at the same price point.


Ian

sweet

Sorry to maybe beat a dead horse, but what size room would be the limits for the X sub when it comes to HT duty in your opinion?

Great news, now if I can only talk you into getting their 5T5's for your bookshelf speaker test.

That is a really tough question, because we all have different standards for how much and how deep the bass should be - but I think 3000 is about the limit for cubic feet.

The A2-300 is ordered. It sells for $350 (including shipping), and here are the specs:

Model Name : A2-300 Powered Home Audio Subwoofer
Amplifier Power : 200w RMS
Subwoofer Driver Size : eD 12" Subwoofer
Cabinet Type : Vented / Downfire
Room Tuning : 20Hz FR - (18-100Hz +/-3dB)
In Room Avg SPL : 114.8dB (10-100Hz Max Output Avg)
Shipping Weight : 68lbs

On paper, the A2-300 is an interesting contender in its price range. It'll be very interesting to see how close it comes to those specs, especially the 18Hz +/-3db. I've been wondering about that ever since I first saw it.

yeah 114db is alot, but I have heard their car subwoofers and they do get really loud efficiently, and their component systems are cleannn sounding..this could be a good combo..It will be interesting to see when it gets down to 30 and below what the DB output will be like.

I have a set of 5TC, 6T6s, and one 5T5, and I am happy with all of them.. especially the price I paid. Their SQ is great, finish is great. build quality is great. The 5TCs *could* reach a bit lower but for the price, I can't complain

As for their subs' extension, I'm going to hold my thoughts to myself for now... Model a 13kv2 w/ the correct vol and tuning and see what you get.

My concern is if they will keep up with my loud listening habits, I'm like a Klipsch horn kinda guy who doesn't want to buy Klipsch. But when you are talking about good quality, but not great, and high volume levels they are hard to beat. These look like they have some potential to be well rounded and put up with some abuse.

Care to share your experiences with them when it comes to room filling sound?

I had a single 13kv2 in their custom enclosure for a Scion tc, and needless to say it probably led to my needs to have lots of loud deep bass...while their components screamed up to incredibly insane volume levels without batting an eye...hopefully they have put as much thought into the home lines.

How big is your room?

The room I have my entertainment center is 15x25x9: a large opening into another room and two other open doorways. I have 6T6 for my fronts and the 5T5 for my center. I don't have my 5TC hooked up to my surround system yet but I have them hooked up to an old turd receiver in my computer room. My main receiver is an Onkyo TX604. It only puts out 90W/chan but these speakers have never had a problem filling my house, let alone my living/dining room w/ sound; without hearing any cracking or noise distortion. My wife has come home several times, parked on the opposite side of the street and informed me that she could understand clearly the words to music I was listening too. (this is 65% vol) I'm quite happy with the speakers. The subwoofer was a different story for me...

Depending on your room size, an A2-A5 may not meet your lust for base, especially in the low 20s, high teens. The A2 or A3 are good budget subs and I predict will be good competitors in their price class.... especially the A2 (though I'm not sure they will give the out of the box linearity as the STF3) I'm anxious to see some results and have a good discussion

Craig,

I have read all the post in this thread. Very interesting and informative. You are to be commended for trying to bring some quantitative information to an area which is too full of hype.

I am in the market for new subs. My room dimensions are 27'x23'x20' high. Room also opens into a 2 story hall wall and dining area. I listen to only music in this room. I have a large collection of pipe organ CD's, so bass below 25 Hz is important to me. I currently have 2 Sunfire Signature subs for the room. I have been very pleased with their performance, but they give out below about 22 Hz. The subs are in corner locations about 12 feet from the prime listening spot.

I am thinking about upgrading, partially because of your ratings, to two JL fathom 113 subs.

My questions are: will two be sufficient to fill the room (over 12,000 cubic ft), and are they really good with music, especially classical?

My bottom line question I guess, forgetting about the money for the moment, is would I hear a major improvement, in your opinion, to the bottom end. My fear is that I spend $6,400 and my wife says "they sound the same to me".

Any thoughts or guidance would be appreciated.

Dang I wish I was PAB1

CupCak - I will send you a PM to keep this thread on topic some

Pab1 ... That is one huge space to fill. I think you will be happy with a pair of Fathon 113's - it will take some careful calibration and use of the Aro system.

For music, they will be fantastic, and they should give you some serious bass for HT.

I have run a single 113 in our 4500^3 foot theater room with great success. You should be fine.

Hey Craig, you forgot to mention the free shipping!


Ian

Could you expand your thoughts here a little more? Are you saying the enclosure size should be different? Which eD sub do you have??

PM me, an inquiring mind would like to know.....

Good point. And Post is fixed.

only chart I've seen posted of it here shows a drastic nosedive just under 20Hz.