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post #211 of 6764
12/21/06 at 4:52pm
No wonder I missed it.

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post #212 of 6764
12/21/06 at 9:34pm
Craig, did you miss my questions about the HSU, you never responded to them. If you would like me to repost it I will, it was posted a few days ago.
post #213 of 6764
12/22/06 at 4:10am
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Originally Posted by Kevin12586 View Post

Craig, did you miss my questions about the HSU, you never responded to them. If you would like me to repost it I will, it was posted a few days ago.

I must have missed it ...
post #214 of 6764
12/22/06 at 9:37am
No problem Craig, I look forward to reading your results.
post #215 of 6764
12/22/06 at 7:37pm
The PB12-NSD is scheduled here for Tuesday, the 26th delivery ... and the Hsu subs the following week. I have learned one thing about all this: Don't tell the wife ... she'll figure it out when they arrive.

Now ... Will Ed Mullen have sent a T-Shirt along with the PB12 ? He IS in customer service ...
post #216 of 6764
1/2/07 at 1:29am
Wow,

Thanks to all for this excellent thread and review, especially to Craig! I have been agonizing over the decision between the SVS PB12 Plus/2 and the Hsu VTF-3 HO + Turbo. I was almost ready to pull the trigger on the SVS until I read this analysis. Now I'm leaning towards the Hsu.

Happy New Year!

DAP
post #217 of 6764
1/2/07 at 3:59am
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Originally Posted by craigsub View Post

I am picturing you at the border, explaining what the 30 subwoofers are doing in the back of your vehicle ...
(snip)
Border Agent: "Someone alert Homeland Security. At the very least, this group of people needs to be investigated".

It's a Thompson Harmonizer!

-Max
post #218 of 6764
1/2/07 at 10:46pm
The VTF-3 HO with Turbocharger seems like a great deal, just wish they made it with a resowood finish or cherry.
post #219 of 6764
1/3/07 at 1:45am
Are you guys gonna try some aperions too? I ended buying their 10" inch model and will probably end up running two of them and with them like some other internet directs you can try the subs out for a month for free so might as well include them as well.
post #220 of 6764
1/3/07 at 9:35am
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Originally Posted by maxcooper

It's a Thompson Harmonizer!

Truth stranger than fiction here!
post #221 of 6764
1/3/07 at 2:24pm
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Originally Posted by stevenassco View Post

have you tested/compared subs such as the the ASW-825/855, Seismic/Servo series, ML Depth/Descent, Theil SS3/SS4

there are some excellent non ID subs out there that will compete with that lineup, although they are all great subs


Craig -

By chance you think you will test/compare any of the models I mentioned above? I would love to see a comparison. Thanks and keep up the great work
post #222 of 6764
1/4/07 at 7:32am
craigsub,

Any ETA on the Submersive ?

Really waiting to read your review on how it stacks up to the Fathom.

BTW, check this out... nice DIY project

http://www.htguide.com/forum/showthr...t=23365&page=3

Also when will you get your DIY subs done ?

Regards,
Jose
post #223 of 6764
1/4/07 at 11:13am
Guys .... As of now, the BMF, SUBmersive, and MFW-15 are the only remaining subs to be added to the mix as definites. The DIY sub is still in the works - I have been pretty busy with some other business projects, so time has been short.

There are some possibilites of additional subs being added to the mix, too. I did try an Aperion S-12 in 2004 - it was a decent sub, pretty close to the same extension as the Onix X-sub, but with more output from the 12 inch driver.
post #224 of 6764
1/4/07 at 11:43am
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Originally Posted by Legairre View Post

Thanks jakeman, Hsu definately hit a homerun.

OK Let's throw the Tyke in for $99. I don't think anyone will mind.

BTW all prices are MSRP, except maybe the Type

1. $3200 JL Audio Fathom 113: 103 points.
2. $4995 Velodyne DD-18: 100 points.
3. $2100 ACI Maestro: 97 points.
4. $2200 JL Audio Fathom 112: 95 points.
5. $999 Hsu VTF-3 HO + Turbo: 94 points
5a. $899 Hsu VTF-3 HO w/o Turbo: 92 points
6. $1199 SVS PB12-Ultra: 90 points.
6T. $1200 Axiom EP-500: 90 points
7. $1199 SVS PB12-Plus/2: 87 points.
8. $1099 Rocket UFW-12: 85 points (provisional)
9. $199 Rocket X-Sub: 78 points
10. $99 Rocket Tyke: 60 points

You have to keeop in mind that some of these subs (the EP500) have shipping included while others don't. It could add another $75 USD onto the price of some of these subs.
post #225 of 6764
1/4/07 at 12:25pm
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Originally Posted by hutzal View Post

You have to keeop in mind that some of these subs (the EP500) have shipping included while others don't. It could add another $75 USD onto the price of some of these subs.


Add $99.00 for the SVS PB Plus, PB Plus 2, Ultra and $150.00 for the Ultra 2.
post #226 of 6764
1/4/07 at 5:39pm
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Originally Posted by hutzal View Post

You have to keeop in mind that some of these subs (the EP500) have shipping included while others don't. It could add another $75 USD onto the price of some of these subs.

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Originally Posted by Juan View Post

Add $99.00 for the SVS PB Plus, PB Plus 2, Ultra and $150.00 for the Ultra 2.

OK guys, I've updated the prices to reflect shipping(for the ones I could find) and the SVS price increases. If anyone knows the shipping on the ones I missed please fill them in.

1. $3200 + (shipping?) JL Audio Fathom 113: 103 points.
2. $4995 + (shipping?) Velodyne DD-18: 100 points.
3. $2100 + (shipping?) ACI Maestro: 97 points.
4. $2200 + (shipping?) JL Audio Fathom 112: 95 points.
5. $999 + ($105 Shipping) Hsu VTF-3 HO + Turbo: 94 points
5a. $899 + ( $80 shipping) Hsu VTF-3 HO w/o Turbo: 92 points
6. $1299 + ( $99 shipping) SVS PB12-Ultra: 90 points.
6T. $1200 + ( $0 shipping included) Axiom EP-500: 90 points
7. $1299 + ( $99 shipping) SVS PB12-Plus/2: 87 points.
8. $1099 + ($100 shipping) Rocket UFW-12: 85 points (provisional)
9. $199 + ($43 shipping) Rocket X-Sub: 78 points
10. $99 (shipping?) Rocket Tyke: 60 points
post #227 of 6764
1/6/07 at 8:17am
Any updates?

Any chance of getting the Aerial SW-12 added to the test mix?
post #228 of 6764
1/6/07 at 9:05am
The Maestro is up to $2250
post #229 of 6764
1/6/07 at 9:26am
ACI has the Maestro XL for $2250 and the Maestro at $2150 on their site. Craig's post just said ACI Maestro so I used that for pricing, I updated the Maestro since I was off $50 from $2100 to $2150. If he revewed the XL we should update the Maestro to $2250.

1. $3200 + (shipping?) JL Audio Fathom 113: 103 points.
2. $4995 + (shipping?) Velodyne DD-18: 100 points.
3. $2150 + (shipping?) ACI Maestro: 97 points.
4. $2200 + (shipping?) JL Audio Fathom 112: 95 points.
5. $999 + ($105 Shipping) Hsu VTF-3 HO + Turbo: 94 points
5a. $899 + ( $80 shipping) Hsu VTF-3 HO w/o Turbo: 92 points
6. $1299 + ( $99 shipping) SVS PB12-Ultra: 90 points.
6T. $1200 + ( $0 shipping included) Axiom EP-500: 90 points
7. $1299 + ( $99 shipping) SVS PB12-Plus/2: 87 points.
8. $1099 + ($100 shipping) Rocket UFW-12: 85 points (provisional)
9. $199 + ($43 shipping) Rocket X-Sub: 78 points
10. $99 (shipping?) Rocket Tyke: 60 points
post #230 of 6764
1/6/07 at 9:30am
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I think TheEar mentioned he owns the Aerial, maybe pm him?
post #231 of 6764
1/7/07 at 7:09am
Thanks - also interested to see how the Submersive fairs in the testing. Seems like an amazing speaker as well.
post #232 of 6764
1/7/07 at 12:41pm
Craig, I have an Orb Audio setup. I use their Super 8 sub. It sounds really good to me, but I was thinking of upgrading to a HSU VTF3 MK3. Have you ever heard or tested the Orb Audio Super 8. Trying to get an idea of how good it is compared to other subs, as well as how much more performance I'll get out of the HSU upgrade. Tested Super 8 numbers I've seen have been low of 25hz (28hz at -4dB) and has a peak SPL of 111dB (and a max long-term SPL of 107dB. How good is this compared to others you've tested. Thanks
post #233 of 6764
1/7/07 at 1:46pm
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Originally Posted by CKYRO1 View Post

Craig, I have an Orb Audio setup. I use their Super 8 sub. It sounds really good to me, but I was thinking of upgrading to a HSU VTF3 MK3. Have you ever heard or tested the Orb Audio Super 8. Trying to get an idea of how good it is compared to other subs, as well as how much more performance I'll get out of the HSU upgrade. Tested Super 8 numbers I've seen have been low of 25hz (28hz at -4dB) and has a peak SPL of 111dB (and a max long-term SPL of 107dB. How good is this compared to others you've tested. Thanks

I have never heard the Super 8 - but it seems to be a very nice $400 subwoofer. The Hsu will be more powerful, and will extend deeper - do you think you are missing some aspect of performance with your current set up ?
post #234 of 6764
1/7/07 at 7:52pm
Craig,

Did the Hsu VTF3 MK3 arrive yet? I will most likely order one within a few days, so I'm hoping to hear your thoughts on it before I buy.

Thanks,
Guy
post #235 of 6764
1/7/07 at 8:52pm
Guy - Both the VTF-2 and VTF-3 Mark III's are scheduled to be here tomorrow, the 8th.
post #236 of 6764
1/7/07 at 9:23pm
I feel like I'm missing some low end punch. Best way I can describe it. Also I get some "baffling/port noise" when i crank the system. I read a few reviews claiming it was on of the best subs under $1000, maybe you wanna test it. Also, anyone else familiar with the super 8?
post #237 of 6764
1/7/07 at 10:03pm
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Originally Posted by Legairre View Post

ACI has the Maestro XL for $2250 and the Maestro at $2150 on their site. Craig's post just said ACI Maestro so I used that for pricing, I updated the Maestro since I was off $50 from $2100 to $2150. If he revewed the XL we should update the Maestro to $2250.

1. $3200 + (shipping?) JL Audio Fathom 113: 103 points.
2. $4995 + (shipping?) Velodyne DD-18: 100 points.
3. $2150 + (shipping?) ACI Maestro: 97 points.
4. $2200 + (shipping?) JL Audio Fathom 112: 95 points.
5. $999 + ($105 Shipping) Hsu VTF-3 HO + Turbo: 94 points
5a. $899 + ( $80 shipping) Hsu VTF-3 HO w/o Turbo: 92 points
6. $1299 + ( $99 shipping) SVS PB12-Ultra: 90 points.
6T. $1200 + ( $0 shipping included) Axiom EP-500: 90 points
7. $1299 + ( $99 shipping) SVS PB12-Plus/2: 87 points.
8. $1099 + ($100 shipping) Rocket UFW-12: 85 points (provisional)
9. $199 + ($43 shipping) Rocket X-Sub: 78 points
10. $99 (shipping?) Rocket Tyke: 60 points


What is the difference between the Maestro and Maestro "XL"?
post #238 of 6764
1/8/07 at 4:54am
Cykro1 - Isn't the Super 8 a sealed subwoofer ? You are likely hearing noises from the driver as it goes into over excursion. I will drop them a line about testing one out.

Brian - The "XL" is the update on the Maestro ... it has a new "Ice Technology" Amplifier, and the cabinets are now made by Mark Schifter's SAC plant.
post #239 of 6764
1/8/07 at 7:56am
Nope, it is ported, I just checked again. It's not bottoming out, but there is something going on when it plays loud and low. maybe it's over excursion as you stated.
post #240 of 6764
1/8/07 at 8:53am
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Originally Posted by Legairre View Post

ACI has the Maestro XL for $2250 and the Maestro at $2150 on their site. Craig's post just said ACI Maestro so I used that for pricing, I updated the Maestro since I was off $50 from $2100 to $2150. If he revewed the XL we should update the Maestro to $2250.

1. $3200 + (shipping?) JL Audio Fathom 113: 103 points.
2. $4995 + (shipping?) Velodyne DD-18: 100 points.
3. $2150 + (shipping?) ACI Maestro: 97 points.
4. $2200 + (shipping?) JL Audio Fathom 112: 95 points.
5. $999 + ($105 Shipping) Hsu VTF-3 HO + Turbo: 94 points
5a. $899 + ( $80 shipping) Hsu VTF-3 HO w/o Turbo: 92 points
6. $1299 + ( $99 shipping) SVS PB12-Ultra: 90 points.
6T. $1200 + ( $0 shipping included) Axiom EP-500: 90 points
7. $1299 + ( $99 shipping) SVS PB12-Plus/2: 87 points.
8. $1099 + ($100 shipping) Rocket UFW-12: 85 points (provisional)
9. $199 + ($43 shipping) Rocket X-Sub: 78 points
10. $99 (shipping?) Rocket Tyke: 60 points

The MSRP price of the F112 is $2600 in satin. Add $100 to each one for gloss.

-Eli
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