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post #301 of 6764
Oh wow....look at all that!!

Craig.....heard the Strata Mini at CES....a great value at $2000.

With moving around all those subs and speakers......how is your back?
post #302 of 6764
As always, thanks for posting your thoughts, craig. Looks like a lot of fun.
post #303 of 6764
craigsub,

What are you impressions of the VTF-3 Mk3 vs VTF-3 HO? Are you going to have an opportunity this weekend to A/B those two?
post #304 of 6764
Stacking the Fathoms was probably a violation of OSHA. I hope you have lots of Advil.
post #305 of 6764
My back is fine ... though I don't need to go to the gym today.

The Fathoms are quite the pair stacked like that, but it is the TYKE that is making them sing ...

No chance to directly compare the VTF-3.3 to the HO yet - that will be later, after finishing the VTF-3.3 to SVS PB12-NSD and PB12-Ultra.
post #306 of 6764
Thread Starter 
Craig, is that the "hot rodded" UFW-12, if so, how has it been upgraded.

Also, do you have final scores yet for the VTF III and SVS PB12?

Please remember, from your words, to my mastercard...
post #307 of 6764
I'm also interested in the 3.3 vs. HO. The 3.3 seems to be the value champ, and while the HO certainly outperforms it.. by how much?

Is the 2.3 essentially a VTF-3 II with less power?
post #308 of 6764
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Originally Posted by new27 View Post

Craig, is that the "hot rodded" UFW-12, if so, how has it been upgraded.

Also, do you have final scores yet for the VTF III and SVS PB12?

Please remember, from your words, to my mastercard...

The UFW-12 Mk2, aka the hot-rodded version, has not been released quite yet. Soon.
post #309 of 6764
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Originally Posted by jephdood View Post

Is the 2.3 essentially a VTF-3 II with less power?

Yes, according to HSU - they share the exact same driver, cabinet size, and dual 3" ports, but the 3.2 will play a little more than 1db louder at max SPL due to the slight difference in amp power.

The 3.2 was selling for $699, so the nearly identical 2.3 at $469 is a pretty amazing bargain.
post #310 of 6764
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Originally Posted by craigsub View Post

My back is fine ... though I don't need to go to the gym today.

Luckily they managed to find an extra to fill in for the doubles matches...

post #311 of 6764
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Originally Posted by Fnord View Post

Luckily they managed to find an extra to fill in for the doubles matches...



How did you manage to find my college yearbook ?
post #312 of 6764
Damn Craig, I didn't realize you were THAT old. :-)
post #313 of 6764
Hi,

I was wondering if anyone would be kind enough to suggest a dealer or two that is selling the JL 113? Used would be even better but far less likely. I am PA if that helps at all or matters.

Thanks!
Joe
post #314 of 6764
Check the for sale marketplace , someone put one up !
post #315 of 6764
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Originally Posted by craigsub View Post

That makes sense ... I know that for 4 years, nothing has matched this disc as an overall torture test for a subwoofer. It has bass from about 16 Hz up to where the mains take over.

Every subwoofer gets subjected to this disc ... for the obvious reasons.

For a teaser ... the PB12-NSD, IMO, sounds better than the Plus/2 ... it is a remarkable value.

And the VTF-3.3 is re-writing the performance rules for a subwoofer anywhere near its price range.

These 2 subs are BOTH home runs.

I did some more tweaking and listening sessions this past weekend and am extremely impressed with the SVS PB12-NSD. I played a lot more music on it and think it is a very musical sub. I think I have it integrated into my mains very well now. I also watched Toy Story II last night with the family and was floored by the subs authority and low frequency capabilities. It is by far the best sub I have ever owned. I am just wondering how much better the VTF-3 can be? I looked at the charts and it is very impressive. Craig, I was wondering if you can also do some direct comparisons between the VTF2 MKIII and the PB12-NSD?
post #316 of 6764
"For a teaser ... the PB12-NSD, IMO, sounds better than the Plus/2 ... it is a remarkable value."

This is interesting... speaking as a former 12-Plus/2 owner.

So yeah.. what's the best value 'do it all' sub? VTF-2.3, VTF3.3, or 12-NSD?
post #317 of 6764
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Originally Posted by jephdood View Post

"For a teaser ... the PB12-NSD, IMO, sounds better than the Plus/2 ... it is a remarkable value."

This is interesting... speaking as a former 12-Plus/2 owner.

So yeah.. what's the best value 'do it all' sub? VTF-2.3, VTF3.3, or 12-NSD?

That is my same question. Those are the only three subs I am considering. And being the owner of the PB12-NSD already, the HSU's have to be a big difference for me to make the switch.
post #318 of 6764
Anybody else anxiously awaiting the results from this weekend????
post #319 of 6764
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Anybody else anxiously awaiting the results from this weekend????

Not at all. I could care less. As Borat would say..... Pause... Not!
post #320 of 6764
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Anybody else anxiously awaiting the results from this weekend????

The teaser mentioned earlier WAS the results from this weekend. It takes a couple of weeks to really do a decent job of listening/measuring a subwoofer's performance. So far, the PB12-NSD/VTF-3.3 combo has had a few hours of listening.

So far, the Hsu has been the more impressive performer between to exceptional values, under blind conditions .... but they will get another 40 hours of listening before the test is complete.
post #321 of 6764
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Not at all. I could (not) care less. As Borat would say..... Pause... Not!

I could not care less about the results, either.
post #322 of 6764
I am trying to decide between the VTF 2 mkIII and VTF 3 mkIII. Any preliminary thoughts so far on the VTF 2?
post #323 of 6764
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Originally Posted by akflyer View Post

I am trying to decide between the VTF 2 mkIII and VTF 3 mkIII. Any preliminary thoughts so far on the VTF 2?

The VTF-2.3 has not even been calibrated into the system yet - look for something at about the end of next week, after the PB12 and VTF-3.3 are done.
post #324 of 6764
One movie scene I'd love a comparison for is the first battle scene in Master and Commander...
I currently own the PB12-NSD and have no plans for switching... mainly because why the risk of switching if you're happy with what you've got...
what I'd like to know, just out of curiosity, is how does the scene make you feel?... because as far I'm told your ear can't make out the lower frequencies (the PB12 is tuned to 18hz) but you can feel it... and I definately feel it with the PB12...

...thanks for doing all this by the way...
post #325 of 6764
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Originally Posted by craigsub View Post

The teaser mentioned earlier WAS the results from this weekend. It takes a couple of weeks to really do a decent job of listening/measuring a subwoofer's performance. So far, the PB12-NSD/VTF-3.3 combo has had a few hours of listening.

So far, the Hsu has been the more impressive performer between to exceptional values, under blind conditions .... but they will get another 40 hours of listening before the test is complete.

Thanks craigsub,

Looking forward to the results as they come out.

Take care.
post #326 of 6764
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Originally Posted by JEFFREY GTS View Post

I did some more tweaking and listening sessions this past weekend and am extremely impressed with the SVS PB12-NSD. I played a lot more music on it and think it is a very musical sub. I think I have it integrated into my mains very well now. I also watched Toy Story II last night with the family and was floored by the subs authority and low frequency capabilities. It is by far the best sub I have ever owned. I am just wondering how much better the VTF-3 can be? I looked at the charts and it is very impressive. Craig, I was wondering if you can also do some direct comparisons between the VTF2 MKIII and the PB12-NSD?

The opening to Toy Story II is one of my favorite demos scenes!

Jeffrey, sounds like you have the PB12-NSD nicely fine-tuned and integrated in your system now and since the sound is pleasing you my guess is you may not notice enough of a difference to justify getting an HSU and taking the subsequent loss on the shipping fees of your SVS.

My room is really difficult for bass reproduction because of its openings to 3 other rooms and a stairwell, and I bet if I was in a more reasonable enclosed space like under 3,000 c.f. that my SVS would have sounded much better to my ears since it would not have been straining so hard.
post #327 of 6764
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Originally Posted by rossandwendy View Post

The opening to Toy Story II is one of my favorite demos scenes!

Jeffrey, sounds like you have the PB12-NSD nicely fine-tuned and integrated in your system now and since the sound is pleasing you my guess is you may not notice enough of a difference to justify getting an HSU and taking the subsequent loss on the shipping fees of your SVS.

My room is really difficult for bass reproduction because of its openings to 3 other rooms and a stairwell, and I bet if I was in a more reasonable enclosed space like under 3,000 c.f. that my SVS would have sounded much better to my ears since it would not have been straining so hard.

The opening is pretty sweet. And my SVS is impressing me more and more everyday. I have been moving it and tweaking it ever so slightly over the past month and am pretty sure that I have it just how I like it. And I really agree with Craig, it takes a lot longer than a weekend of listening to really give an educated opinion on a sub. I havbe had mine for a month now and just now am ready to give a full review.

As far as being able to reproduce base in a difficult room, I have the same problem. When I had my house built, I chose the desing because of how wide open it felt, the vaulted ceilings the sitting area over looking the main living room. I chose it because it was a wide open floor plan. The same reason I chose the home is the main enemy of my home theater system now. I find it hard to produce bass and it is harder to play all speakers at reference levels. If I had this system in a normal sized room with 10 foot ceilings and walls, I am sure it would be more than anyone would ever need. I listened to this subwoofer in Ron Stimpson's downtown office and was blown away by it, of course, I was sitting closer to it and it was in a much smaller room with bass traps. So to say the least, it sounded a lot different and better in his office than it does my home, in fact the SVS SBS-01 system sounded completely different than it did in my home. Now as I have stated, I am still very, very happy with the sub, it is a phenomanal sub, I think if I added another one and then added the HSU MBM, I would be in audio bliss.
post #328 of 6764
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Originally Posted by JEFFREY GTS View Post

The opening is pretty sweet. And my SVS is impressing me more and more everyday. I have been moving it and tweaking it ever so slightly over the past month and am pretty sure that I have it just how I like it. And I really agree with Craig, it takes a lot longer than a weekend of listening to really give an educated opinion on a sub. I havbe had mine for a month now and just now am ready to give a full review.

As far as being able to reproduce base in a difficult room, I have the same problem. When I had my house built, I chose the desing because of how wide open it felt, the vaulted ceilings the sitting area over looking the main living room. I chose it because it was a wide open floor plan. The same reason I chose the home is the main enemy of my home theater system now. I find it hard to produce bass and it is harder to play all speakers at reference levels. If I had this system in a normal sized room with 10 foot ceilings and walls, I am sure it would be more than anyone would ever need. I listened to this subwoofer in Ron Stimpson's downtown office and was blown away by it, of course, I was sitting closer to it and it was in a much smaller room with bass traps. So to say the least, it sounded a lot different and better in his office than it does my home, in fact the SVS SBS-01 system sounded completely different than it did in my home. Now as I have stated, I am still very, very happy with the sub, it is a phenomanal sub, I think if I added another one and then added the HSU MBM, I would be in audio bliss.

Sounds like you have a beautiful home! Aesthetically I love those big open floorplans with high vaulted ceilings, lofts, etc. I wish a had available a medium size sealed room I could take and use only for HT with proper room treatments and no concern for the WAF

Wow, I bet two PB12's and an MBM12 would totally blow your mind! What's cool with that approach is you could add on one upgrade at a time and each one would provide a nice improvement.
post #329 of 6764
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Originally Posted by rossandwendy View Post

Sounds like you have a beautiful home! Aesthetically I love those big open floorplans with high vaulted ceilings, lofts, etc. I wish a had available a medium size sealed room I could take and use only for HT with proper room treatments and no concern for the WAF

Wow, I bet two PB12's and an MBM12 would totally blow your mind! What's cool with that approach is you could add on one upgrade at a time and each one would provide a nice improvement.

a loft! That was the word I was searching for. Brain freeze for a minute.
And me too, I want a dedicated room so bad but have to do the theater/entertainment room in my main living room so can't have bass traps and subs sitting all over the room. The subs have to go in the right front corner and I might be able to get away with the MBM sitting to the front right wall next to my couch. One of these years, I will finish the basement and put a dedicated theater down there, until then, have to make due with my living room. And I agree, one sub at a time and I am sure that I will notice a big improvement. I think I am going with the MBM next. Then another SVS. At that point, if I need anymore bass, I might be very well going deaf.
post #330 of 6764
Jeff the more I read the more I think that an MBM would be our next step for bass bliss.

But I continue to wonder about the frequency response below the 18hz tuning point of our subs. It is true that with room gain we can possibly reach the depths of 15hz if we are lucky. But that still leaves us with sub 15hz bass that we cannot hear....well "feel". That to me is a level of bass that I want and need.

That being said, I wonder if adding an MBM and then a 2nd PB-12NSD is going to be the right move for us. Regardless of how many PB-12NSD's we add we cannot LOWER the frequency response, we can only gain more headroom.

Obviously the MBM is a good idea for ANY set up because of the mid-high bass that it dominates. Then I wonder if our next SVS step should be something OTHER than another PB-12NSD so we can attain that sub 15hz bass.

---Should we go a single driver ultra and set it to 10hz mode and set it on top or underneath our PB-12NSD?
or
---Should we get a 16-46PCI PLUS and set it to 12hz mode and set it right next to our PB-12NSD?
or
---Should we get a PC Ultra and set it to 12hz mode and set it right next to our PB-12NSD?
OR
---Is there another SVS option that would give us what we are looking for that we are not currently thinking about.

Would these combinations totally cover frequency range that all movies cover?

Most notably I'm thinking about Blackhawk Down and how IRENE has bass from 5hz and up. I don't just want 90% of the bass covered in my system, if I'm spending this much cash, I want it all covered.
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