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post #61 of 1467
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Originally Posted by budd99 View Post

Did you try it out with 1080p source material?


Not really and I don't want to get into a technical discussion (mainly because I am not an expert) but with Xbox 360 and the new HD DVD of King Kong it is 1080p source but I had it hooked up componet which would be 1080i. Film is usually 24 fps which really does not benefit from a display that supports 1080p-60 (60 fps). In the end both pictures were excellent with no real gain (1080 vs 720) for that screen size and distance. Without getting flamed IMHO 1080p is really worth the money for HTPC / PC monitor, a distant second would be for DVD and certainly not worth it for Cable HD (Compressed to the max as it is with only 20 HD stations).
post #62 of 1467
What 1080p source material is there?
1. BR movies on BR player or PS3
2. 1% of Ps3 Games are true 1080p all the rest are 720p upscaled (is that the same)
3 HD DVD on Xbox360 through a VGA cable?
4.Computer.

Is there anything I'm missing?
post #63 of 1467
So the question should be is it worth thousands of dollars in displays and sources so I can sit 4 feet closer to my TV?
post #64 of 1467
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Originally Posted by briandnewman View Post

So the question should be is it worth thousands of dollars in displays and sources so I can sit 4 feet closer to my TV?

I sit about 8-10 feet away from the TV. I will see absolutely zero difference between 720p and 1080p at that distance, in games and movies?
post #65 of 1467
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Originally Posted by budd99 View Post

I sit about 8-10 feet away from the TV. I will see absolutely zero difference between 720p and 1080p at that distance, in games and movies?

For movies yes, its quite likely (but not certain), unless you are considering a very large display.

For games, you might very well see a difference on a smaller display, even that far away. Why? Because games tend to have a lot of static images on the screen, and there is perhaps no better way to expose the resolution of a display than to display a static image on it. Note that this would come into play not only for games but also for menu screens on HD DVDs/Bluray Discs, and maybe even (big maybe - due to all of the compression ) for things like score, weather, or other information tickers/popups.
post #66 of 1467
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Originally Posted by briandnewman View Post

What 1080p source material is there?
1. BR movies on BR player or PS3
2. 1% of Ps3 Games are true 1080p all the rest are 720p upscaled (is that the same)
3 HD DVD on Xbox360 through a VGA cable?
4.Computer.

Is there anything I'm missing?

You are maybe just a little too hung up on the output device. There are:

1080p games (typically 1080p/60) (PS3 yes but don't forget the PC!)
1080p converted from film (1080p/24)
1080p video (typically 1080p/24, but potentially 1080p/30, and perhaps even 1080p/60 now - not sure)
1080p computer output (desktop)

(and for our overseas friends, that 24 becomes a 25, and the 60 becomes a 50 - roughly speaking)
post #67 of 1467
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Originally Posted by mkoesel View Post

For movies yes, its quite likely (but not certain), unless you are considering a very large display.

For games, you might very well see a difference on a smaller display, even that far away. Why? Because games tend to have a lot of static images on the screen, and there is perhaps no better way to expose the resolution of a display than to display a static image on it. Note that this would come into play not only for games but also for menu screens on HD DVDs/Bluray Discs, and maybe even (big maybe - due to all of the compression ) for things like score, weather, or other information tickers/popups.

I'm considering a 50-inch pio 5070. Movies are not really a concern regarding 1080p. However, with games, the impact or advantage is still uncertain seeing as though there arent any 1080p games, save maybe one or two.
post #68 of 1467
I can hoestly say that my KDL-40v2500 1080p with time warner HD cable is above and beyond expectations compared to my 27'' tube Daewoo hooked up to an RCA over the air 'Rabbit Ear' antenae

post #69 of 1467
I have a 42" 1024 x 768 plasma screen which accepts 1080i and 720p. My cable box will allow me to select what it outputs, either 1080i or 720p.

Logic tells me that I should feed the display 720p, but in my brief comparison, it seems to me that I get a better picture with 1080i.

How can this be? My understanding is that a 1024 x 768 screen is really only capable of producing ED resolutions, so how can feeding it a signal which needs more downconverting produce a better picture? Or am I hallucinating?
post #70 of 1467
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Originally Posted by budd99 View Post

I'm considering a 50-inch pio 5070. Movies are not really a concern regarding 1080p. However, with games, the impact or advantage is still uncertain seeing as though there arent any 1080p games, save maybe one or two.

There are literally dozens of 1080p-capable games. PCs have been rendering games in 720p+ resolutions for the better part of a decade and 1080p+ for at least three years. The advantage of a 1080p display here is well known. It is exactly the same as the advantage of a 1920x1200 monitor over a 1280x800 monitor, assuming you have a good enough GPU to render at the higher resolution.
post #71 of 1467
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Originally Posted by Elspode View Post

Logic tells me that I should feed the display 720p, but in my brief comparison, it seems to me that I get a better picture with 1080i. How can this be?

Two things come to mind:

1) The display may have a better deinterlacer than the STB.

2) 768 > 720, so by using 1080i you are actually providing the scaler with slightly more usable information (than 720p would give) from which to contruct the 1024x768 image.

And since most stations are 1080i (rather than 720p) these will be factors in more of your HD viewing than not. Not to mention that in these same cases, you won't be downconverting 1080i to 720p and then back to 768p again.

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My understanding is that a 1024 x 768 screen is really only capable of producing ED resolutions...

Well that's a bit of stretch. True, your display cannot fully resolve either 1280x720 or 1920x1080. But practically speaking it will be almost impossible to tell the difference between a 1366x768 display and a 1024x768 display.
post #72 of 1467
Ok so I'm new to the world of HD, LCD and 720 v 1080, so be gentle. I'm still confused on what the best option is for myself. I'm looking for a 37-42" LCD and my couch is 10ft from the tv. It will mainly be used for DVD viewing, and HD television (football and sports mostly).

It seems that at my viewing distance and desired screen size, that getting a 720 won't be a big difference from the 1080. Is this a correct asumption? I want a nice picture, especially for DVD's and sports, but don't want to waste money on a 1080 if I really don't need it. Any advice and recommendations would certainly be appreciated!! Great forum. Thanks!!!

(eta: price range is 1k to 1500.)
post #73 of 1467
Is this forum about watching television or playing computer games? Sorry, but hi-def computer monitors are as old as Moses. Boring. Lets get back to HD television.

DelJ




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Originally Posted by mkoesel View Post

There are literally dozens of 1080p-capable games. PCs have been rendering games in 720p+ resolutions for the better part of a decade and 1080p+ for at least three years. The advantage of a 1080p display here is well known. It is exactly the same as the advantage of a 1920x1200 monitor over a 1280x800 monitor, assuming you have a good enough GPU to render at the higher resolution.
post #74 of 1467
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Originally Posted by DelJ View Post

Is this forum about watching television or playing computer games? Sorry, but hi-def computer monitors are as old as Moses. Boring. Lets get back to HD television.

DelJ

I agree, and when I was talking about 1080p games I was referring to games on 360 and ps3, not PC.
post #75 of 1467
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Originally Posted by DelJ View Post

Is this forum about watching television or playing computer games? Sorry, but hi-def computer monitors are as old as Moses. Boring. Lets get back to HD television.

I see nothing wrong with someone who wants their TV to double as a gaming display.
post #76 of 1467
Sorry, just thought I'd ask instead of read everthing. Why do stations that transmit 16:9 still need to be stretched to fit screen? TV set at 16:9. 42" plasma .Thanks
post #77 of 1467
webble--you are correct!! you will NOT benefit from 1080p!! check out sony 2010 hd lcds, and the samsung --50 or --92 series. excellent lcds, in your price range--esp if you buy on line from good online dealer.

i ONLY buy on line anymore--cheaper, easier, better! just be sure they have a good 30 day return policy in case something goes wrong--very uncommon these days! try clevelandplasma, dtvci ty, plasmaconcepts, visualapex, invisiondisplays, ibuydigital--all excellent, buy from them, you'll be a happy camper!!

personally, i like plasma better, i have 2 panny s, and am looking for a pioneer 5070 or 1140. panny 42px60 can be bought on line for 1100-1300$$. pretty good. i woul comparfe with the sony/sammy lcds and see. remember, the panny will NOT look near as good in the store as it will at home when you tweak the settings, and turn them down.

you c an;t lose--all the above sets are excellent, it's tour perspective that really counts. good luck, jeroldd
post #78 of 1467
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Originally Posted by furboo View Post

I see nothing wrong with someone who wants their TV to double as a gaming display.

Well of course not, there are thousands of such people on AVS.

DelJ and budd99, doesn't it strike you as just a bit unbalanced that you would come in here as relative newbs, enter into what is designed to be a very informative discussion for people just like yourselves, and then take on such a sarcastic tone? I strongly recommend take a look around the HTPC forums. You might not be interested in HTPCs after reading them, but at least you'll be that much less ignorant. Cheers.
post #79 of 1467
i have my sights set on a 46 inch lcd 1080p. my viewing distance will be 9 feet. is this enuf to get the benefits of the 1080p or like all others am i wasting my money? i have read all these posts and the calculations but since this is a 46 lcd it was not clear. so if this 46 is too far away to get the full benefit. what size do i go for in the 720? i have used calculations that the max viewing for 46 inch 720p is at 9 feet and the max for 1080 anywhere is up to 67inches. is this correct? thanks
post #80 of 1467
Native resolution: My understanding is cable and OTA broadcast in 1080i. If I have a 1920 X 1080 panel TV , I should get significant better picture than with a 720p set. Am I right ?

I'm thinking Sceptre or Emprex or Westinghouse if the native resolution theory holds. But with 720p Samsungs price dropping like a rock, I can get a 40" 720p Samsung for same amount. Which should I get ?
post #81 of 1467
So is the general consensus this?

I want my new TV for watching SD, the limited HD broadcasts (eventually upgrading to something more well rounded) in my area and watching DVD's. I sit about 6.5-7.5 feet from the set. If I do not intend on gaming on my TV (PC gamer) then 720P is more than sufficient? I would have to say I enjoy a good looking picture but will I be missing out on so much detail that I'll lose sleep without 1080P?
post #82 of 1467
Thread Starter 
jddesigned, you won't lose any sleep, especially if you are considering something 50" or smaller. Get the 720p or 768p, unless, you can easily splurge for the 1080p. If your budget is the least bit tight though, then don't feel the least bit slighted by going for a lesser resolution panel, because for you, if you bought a 1080p panel, you would be dwelling in the land of diminishing returns for your stated purposes.
post #83 of 1467
Thanks a lot Cruel. Fiancé and I want a big tv, yes I got her hooked! At CDN prices 1080P sets are stretching the budget right now, apparently wedding photographers and florists cost a lot more then anticipated. I've been worrying about missing the boat without 1080P, but having some reassurance is a big help. Panny TH42PX60 for $1900 cdn sounds right for us now.
post #84 of 1467
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by stevesc View Post

Native resolution: My understanding is cable and OTA broadcast in 1080i. If I have a 1920 X 1080 panel TV , I should get significant better picture than with a 720p set. Am I right ?

I'm thinking Sceptre or Emprex or Westinghouse if the native resolution theory holds. But with 720p Samsungs price dropping like a rock, I can get a 40" 720p Samsung for same amount. Which should I get ?

significant is in the eye of the individual beholder. For most people, I would say the 720p is your much better value, particularly if you sit beyond 6ft most of the time. There may be some residual benefit to the extra resolution beyond that distance, and some people are willing to pay for that, but I would hazard to say that the vast majority wouldn't think the quality difference warrants the price difference at this point in time. If you have unlimited budget, go for it. It's akin to getting an extra cherry on top of your ice cream sundae. Some would say that it's worth it, others would not.
post #85 of 1467
I am trying to decide between a 720p or 1080p panel, probably 40", viewed from 8.5'. I would probably be quite happy with 720p, BUT...

I watch a lot of animation.

There was an HD-DVD demo set up in a local retailer not long ago, showing trailers for various films. One was the stop-motion animated The Corpse Bride, another was The Bourne Supremacy. Watching the bourne supremacy clip, the advantages of HD were not particularly clear. It looked good, but not earth-shattering.

On the other hand, Corpse Bride looked absolutely stunning. I don't know how they filmed it, but it was jaw dropping. It was so crisp and well-detailed that since then watching SD content is aggrevating.

The guidelines suggest that 720 would be fine. But I'm thinking for my purposes, maybe 1080p would be a better purchase?

Thanks in advance for any advice!
post #86 of 1467
I was all set to go 720p but now I'm hesitant. I plan to have the set a minimum of 5 years. Should I stick with the 720p or future proof with 1080p?
post #87 of 1467
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Originally Posted by Tango Charlie View Post


On the other hand, Corpse Bride looked absolutely stunning. I don't know how they filmed it, but it was jaw dropping. It was so crisp and well-detailed that since then watching SD content is aggrevating.
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FYI, Corpse Bride was shot in stop motion, using Canon EOS-1D digital SLR still cameras, so there was an incredible amount of detail captured in each frame.
post #88 of 1467
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Originally Posted by szupan View Post

FYI, Corpse Bride was shot in stop motion, using Canon EOS-1D digital SLR still cameras, so there was an incredible amount of detail captured in each frame.

I figured it must be something like that. The difference between the HD version and the DVD is amazing. I haven't seen any CG features in HD, but I imagine the difference would be comparable.

Anyone have any experiences with animated films in 720 vs 1080?
post #89 of 1467
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Originally Posted by Slappy san View Post

I was all set to go 720p but now I'm hesitant. I plan to have the set a minimum of 5 years. Should I stick with the 720p or future proof with 1080p?

I'm in the same boat and have decided to go 1080p. If I buy a TV this expensive I'm not gonna be looking to replace it for quite some time, and there will be much more 1080p material as time goes on.

Thanks for the distance chart--very helpful. A 42" 16:9 LCD is about the same height as my current 32" 4:3 TV, and I sit about 7 feet away so 1080p will be beneficial at that screen size and seating distance. Having just measured my 32" TV and compared the dimensions of a 42" LCD to it, I wonder if I shouldn't be looking at 47" instead. It never ends, does it?

The only problem is that Westinghouse has both 42" 720p and 1080p models, and the 1080p is a 50% premium. Don't really want to pay that much right now so I guess I'll just have to be patient and wait for the 1080p model to come down in price. Recent articles I've read predict LCD prices to fall significantly within the next year.

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Originally Posted by DelJ View Post

Is this forum about watching television or playing computer games? Sorry, but hi-def computer monitors are as old as Moses. Boring. Lets get back to HD television.

Neither. It's a forum about "Plasma and LCD Flat Panel Displays". Whether you only watch Matlock on your LCD or also enjoy playing video games is beside the point. Hi-def computer monitors might be old news, but a 42" computer monitor with 1920x1080 resolution is still hot stuff.
post #90 of 1467
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Originally Posted by szupan View Post

FYI, Corpse Bride was shot in stop motion, using Canon EOS-1D digital SLR still cameras, so there was an incredible amount of detail captured in each frame.

Small correction: Canon EOS 1D Mark II, not just 1D. 8 megapixels versus 4. So it's out on HD-DVD? I'd love to see this movie in HD.
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