Tosh HD-XA2 1080p HD DVD - First End User Reports!: USERS ONLY PLEASE! - Page 90

Originally Posted by bakpakva

My XA2 arrived yesterday, and it also has a very noisy fan. I am wondering if there really is a chance that some units are quiet, or if they are being used in an area that masks the fan noise. My theater is dead quiet and I can easily hear the fan noise on my player. The small fan in back puts out a great deal of air volume, so my thought it that it is just the design and no amount of swapping players is going to fix that. I could be wrong, so if anyone swaps out and finds the noise goes away, I will consider giving it one more try.

Edit: As a reference, I measured the fan noise to 57 dB (slow C). This measurement was taken with the player sitting 5 inches from the wall in my rack, no disc, and sound meter held directly over top of the player and pointed at the back wall.

Originally Posted by Humanoid1

I can assure you that may XA2 is quiet and not masked by other equipment. 57db is quite loud jeez.

Originally Posted by bakpakva

My XA2 arrived yesterday, and it also has a very noisy fan. I am wondering if there really is a chance that some units are quiet, or if they are being used in an area that masks the fan noise. My theater is dead quiet and I can easily hear the fan noise on my player. The small fan in back puts out a great deal of air volume, so my thought it that it is just the design and no amount of swapping players is going to fix that. I could be wrong, so if anyone swaps out and finds the noise goes away, I will consider giving it one more try.

Edit: As a reference, I measured the fan noise to 57 dB (slow C). This measurement was taken with the player sitting 5 inches from the wall in my rack, no disc, and sound meter held directly over top of the player and pointed at the back wall.

Originally Posted by bsather

Both of my XA2's were manufactured July 07 in China. Were the XA2's ever built in Japan? I know my XA1 was...and my Denon receivers...

One of my XA2's is very quiet....more so than the XA1 was...the other has a whine that can heard from 8ft.

Originally Posted by bakpakva

Just out of curiosity, what is the build date on your X2? Was it made in Japan or China? Mine was build July 2007 in China, purchased through Amazon. Also, when looking at the back of the player, there are 3 screws the appear to hold the fan to the case. These screws are located at the top right and left, and the bottom left. There is a screw hole at the bottom right, but there is no screw in it. Is that common or am I missing a screw?

Bsather, you are correct, there are only 2 screws that hold the fan, top right and bottom left. The third screw I saw was for the top of the case cover. It is tough to see with the player mounted in my rack.

Originally Posted by bakpakva

As a reference, I measured the fan noise to 57 dB.

Originally Posted by AndyGood

For those who say they cannot hear it, does that mean from their listening position? I have decided I am going to give this player a shot because we have alot of ambient noise between heat going on and off, a nearby refrigerator, etc., it is seldom 100% quite in my listening area so I don't think my attention will be focused on the player. In the bedroom however, this could be more of an annoyance. My A2 isn't dead quite either but the XA2 for sure, is on the loud side.

Originally Posted by Gary J

Can anyone hear spell quiet?

Originally Posted by efjay

I think you mean here

Originally Posted by bakpakva

My XA2 arrived yesterday, and it also has a very noisy fan. I am wondering if there really is a chance that some units are quiet, or if they are being used in an area that masks the fan noise. My theater is dead quiet and I can easily hear the fan noise on my player. The small fan in back puts out a great deal of air volume, so my thought it that it is just the design and no amount of swapping players is going to fix that. I could be wrong, so if anyone swaps out and finds the noise goes away, I will consider giving it one more try.

Edit: As a reference, I measured the fan noise to 57 dB (slow C). This measurement was taken with the player sitting 5 inches from the wall in my rack, no disc, and sound meter held directly over top of the player and pointed at the back wall.

Originally Posted by dixlon

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I also noticed the speed time to put a dvd into the drive was almost as fast as my Denon 1600 dvd player. There was no noticeable delay.
I going to mate the XA2 with a 57 MITS Diamond Series 833 DLP TV.
I like what I see so far.
KD ( A Canadian living in Arizona )

Originally Posted by hansangb

No delay? Huh? Just turning it on takes a while. Loading HDDVD is much longer than a normal DVD. It's pretty annoying, but I can get used to it I suppose.

Chandler eh? My in-laws have a vacation home near Chandler Fashion Square.

Originally Posted by Gary J

I mean can anyone here spell quite?

Originally Posted by dixlon

Funny you say that I'm going to the Chandler Fashion Square mall to pick up some Chinese food.

Originally Posted by ihifi

I have the A2 (MFR 3/07) and recently acquired the XA2 (MFR 7/07). I immediately realized that the XA2 was noticeably louder than the A2. I have a projector in the HT room that is of course louder but while listening to music with the projector off, the whine from the fan was immediately noticeable and somewhat annoying. I opened both players and looked at the fans. The fan in both players is made by Delta Electronics and share the same model number, DSB0512LD and are both 50x50x25mm in size. However, the fan in the XA2 is rated at 0.18A and the one in the A2 is rated at 0.09A. They are both 12V DC fans and have identical two pin connectors (I believe the 3rd pin in some fans is used by the board to determine/adjust fan speed in some applications). The fan in the XA2 seemed to push out more air against my hand than the fan in the A2. I swapped the fans in these two players and, as expected, the XA2 became very quiet, and the A2 became loud. I looked at Delta Electronics' site (http://www.delta.com.tw/product/cp/d...cfans_main.asp) in order to find these fans, but there is no model number that begins with DSB. Instead, they have a similar looking fan with the model number AFB0512LD. It is rated at 0.06A with a noise level of 25dB, and comes only in the 50x50x20mm size. I then found a post by an AVS member wherein he reported that the fans in the XA2 and A2 were made/distributed by Tranyoung with A2 having the 5025LL12S fan (8.35 CFM flow/14.5 dB noise) and XA2 having the 5025L12S fan (12.26 CFM flow/22.1 dB noise). These are also 50x50x25mm fans with 2 connectors. In calling around, I was told that it was not uncommon for some manufacturers to use somewhat different fans in any model player even in the same year of manufacture. This may well explain why some people here post that their units are quiet whereas others report the opposite. It is interesting that the Tranyoung fan in the XA2 pushes out 32% more air but at the expense of 500% more noise (7.6dB difference equates to 1.26 raised to 7.6 since dB is in log scale). If you do a search on the first PN (the quiet fan apparently in the A2), you will find that they correspond to Toshiba PN P000401260 with price of $38.19 and Toshiba as the listed manufacturer, and also PN P000477480 with price of $12.94 and manufacturer field left blank. I plan to test the temperature in the XA2 with the quieter fan from the A2 compared to the noisier fan it came with. DD and DTS decoders can run hot and the excess heat interfere with the function of the circuit board. It was for this reason, for instance, that the Lexicon RV-8 V2 units received a continuous fan and a new power supply as the overheating in V1 units (no continuous fan) caused erratic behavior in few units. My hope is that the quieter fan from the A2 transplanted into the XA2 can provide adequate cooling without causing any problems.

John

Originally Posted by CRIOLLO2MIl

Well after weeks researching these forums and other reviews from all sorts of "experts" around the internet, I decided to take the plunge into a stand-alone HD-DVD palyer to compliment my HT. I previously owend the 360 add-on unit.

My Current set-up is:

* Samsung LN-T5271F LCD Television
* Samsung BD-P1400 Blu-Ray Player
* Energy Take 5.2 Speakers System
* Onkyo TX-SR 705 (on order)
* and now...the HD-XA2 HD-DVD Player

I own over 800 DVDs and SD palyback is essential. I have a modest budget so I was not keen on spending retail so I took a gamble with e-bay.

won an auction @ $360 and crossed my fingers.

Out of the box, the player had 1.? FW and a terrible lip-sync problem. At first I thought I was suckered with a bad player, but I had read how the player suffered from this with early FW versions.

I quickly upgraded to FW 2.7 and did a quick test run of a few SD and HD-DVD titles. Here are some of my initial comments:

1. Lip-Sync is corrected. No issues w/ LFE and a full viewing of King Kong set @ 1080p/24 suffered no stuttering nor shutdowns as some have experienced.

2. I am a bit let down w/ SD playback. The main selling point I kept hearing was its "supposed" great HQV upscaling for SD DVDs. Well ( and I remind you only a quick run) I am not impressed. PQ of SD is NO better than either my BD-P1400 Samsung BR nor my Sony BD-S300. Maybe I need to see more tests or maybe I was expecting too much. I am not saying it looks bad...just NO better than what I have seen before.

3. HD playback is gorgeous. Nothing to jump up and down since I wouldn't expect nothing less. I like the piture tweaking options but need to learn more on what settings work best.

4. I Read all the stories and complaints about the remote...I don't share the same criticism. I like the backlit function so that is actually a plus for me. Either way...I use a Harmony 880 so the remote was never going to be a deal breaker for me.

5. Can't wait to mate w/ the Onkyo 705 and hear it's Audio capabilities.

as I spend more time watching, I'll share any issues with you. in the meantime, I do have a question for you.

q: why doesn't the front panel nor the box of this player have any branding/badging indicating the "HQV" chip? I notice that the BD-P1200 from Samsung has it, and th eupcoming Onkyo 805 does also. Anyone wonder why?

Originally Posted by bsather

I had the lid off my XA2 yesterday, and unplugged the fan. Silent. The Delta fan is definetly the whiner here.