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post #4621 of 4650
Pretty sure if you use Component Cable, it will only output at 1080i.
post #4622 of 4650
What does that have to do with this player?
post #4623 of 4650
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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

What does that have to do with this player?

The Onkyo is pretty much the same as the HD-XA2.
post #4624 of 4650
An Onkyo player is pretty much the same as Toshiba player? huh?
post #4625 of 4650
Yes, the remote for the Toshiba operates the Onkyo, as well.
post #4626 of 4650
Whatever. De-interlacing is rather trivial. Scaling might be a different matter. He does not say much of anything about what kind of signal he wants to process.
post #4627 of 4650
I suppose that's what he has the Lumagen for.
post #4628 of 4650
VP for HD not even needed and for SD, chips in players in displays now about as good as a standalone VP IMO.
post #4629 of 4650
I'm sure you're right & the Onkyo/Toshiba has a great reputation for up conversion but he already has the Lumagen I think.
post #4630 of 4650
The reason I've asked:

I've just bought a new Lumagen video processor. The people with VP and Lumagen expertise say that, if possible, it's best to have my sources (e.g. Blu-Ray, HD DVD players) output raw, native signals and have the Lumagen handle as much of the processing as possible since it has the very best performance in terms of scaling, de-interlacing, etc. I know my Oppo blu ray player can be set to output native (bypass it's de-interlacing etc), but I'm trying to find out if the Tosh HD DVD player can do the same.

But I've realized it's been so long since I've had to think about 1080p/1080i that I've forgotten all I used to know. For some reason I'm under the impression that Blu-Ray movies are still stored 1080i natively and so a 1080p blu-ray player de-interlaces the signal to output 1080p. But, am I wrong? Is 1080p actually the native format for movies (aside from some that are 1080i, e.g. music concerts)?
post #4631 of 4650
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post

The reason I've asked:

I've just bought a new Lumagen video processor. The people with VP and Lumagen expertise say that, if possible, it's best to have my sources (e.g. Blu-Ray, HD DVD players) output raw, native signals and have the Lumagen handle as much of the processing as possible since it has the very best performance in terms of scaling, de-interlacing, etc. I know my Oppo blu ray player can be set to output native (bypass it's de-interlacing etc), but I'm trying to find out if the Tosh HD DVD player can do the same.

But I've realized it's been so long since I've had to think about 1080p/1080i that I've forgotten all I used to know. For some reason I'm under the impression that Blu-Ray movies are still stored 1080i natively and so a 1080p blu-ray player de-interlaces the signal to output 1080p. But, am I wrong?

Yes, that impression is wrong.
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Is 1080p actually the native format for movies (aside from some that are 1080i, e.g. music concerts)?

Yes, and—more to the point of this thread—same for HD-DVD.

It has been a while since I've had an XA2. I don't recall it having a "native" mode like the Oppos have, but after a certain firmware (2.7?) it offered a 24Hz option for 1080p output, which was essentially native for HD movies. That's how I had it configured going into a Lumagen (I only used it for HD movies, used Oppo for DVDs).

-- Peter
post #4632 of 4650
Duh, yeah, 1080p is native.
post #4633 of 4650
Yes get your money back if you can. The only good reason for a video processor these days is if you are playing back some odd, old SD resolutions - like some old game players. Somebody is going to tell you it makes everything better blah blah but you probably have better thing to do with the money.
post #4634 of 4650
Thanks for the replies. (Well, almost all of them, minus the snark).

I'm not sure where I fell back into thinking the signal on Blu-Ray was natively interlaced (of course I know film is a progressive format, so you want to replicate that from the source). I think this was further re-enforced
recently when one of the Lumagen pros said to have my blu ray player output native and therefore let the Lumagen "do all the de-interlacing" to progressive.

Gary, the Lumagen will be a very valuable piece of equipment in my set up. It's being purchased mainly for it's calibration features (including it's auto-cal feature when used with my new Chromapure calibration equipment). Anything else will just be a bonus.
post #4635 of 4650
well you have it justfied in your mind so there's that! lol
post #4636 of 4650
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post

one of the Lumagen pros said to have my blu ray player output native and therefore let the Lumagen "do all the de-interlacing" to progressive.

Gary, the Lumagen will be a very valuable piece of equipment in my set up. It's being purchased mainly for it's calibration features (including it's auto-cal feature when used with my new Chromapure calibration equipment). Anything else will just be a bonus.

Now you're talking. I have a similar setup and use the AutoCal.

Oppo BDP-83 set to "source direct" plays BD (1080i60, 1080p24) NTSC DVD (480i) and PAL DVD (576i) and Lumagen converts everything nicely to 1080p24 (or 1080i72 for my CRT).

Toshiba HD-A35 set to 1080p24 plays only HD-DVD. There is no "source direct" mode. By the way, de-interlacing is very robust on this player (I don't know about your Onkyo). I don't use it to play DVDs very often but sometimes even better than the Lumagen or Oppo with poorly mastered DVDs.
Edited by AVfile - 11/12/13 at 6:36am
post #4637 of 4650
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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

well you have it justfied in your mind so there's that! lol

You really don't think the ability to accurately calibrate pretty much any display using a Lumagen is worthwhile?

Ok....
post #4638 of 4650
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post

You really don't think the ability to accurately calibrate pretty much any display using a Lumagen is worthwhile?

Ok....

Funny, with SD there were plenty of VPs to tweak the signal. Now the goal with Blu-ray is (usually) to leave to signal untouched - it needs no processing. If you have other media/resolutions, well, have fun with it and have at it! And calibrate the display to what? - every different source at once?
Or even tweak Blu-ray off reference if you have a preference.
post #4639 of 4650
Gary,

What does any of that have to do with accurately calibrating a display? The point of the Lumagen I'm talking about is in how it allows you to *preserve* or *increase* the accuracy of the movie image.

The Lumagen is a tool that allows pro-level calibration of color/gamma (and everything else) so you can get the most accurate reproduction movie content as possible. It's an outboard CMS essentially,
which can be used with displays that don't have a CMS (and so would never be close to accurate) and it is better than virtually any CMS you'll find in displays that DO have them. Further, combined with calibration software, it allows for automated calibration which apparently can work very well.

I've had to hire pros at big expense to calibrate my displays to the level of accuracy I wish, and of course calibrations drift over time too so the displays need to be re-calibrated now and again. The Lumagen with calibration equipment will allow me to be self-sufficient in terms of calibrating whatever projectors I buy, no matter whether they have a good or bad CMS, or don't have one. That type of ability, and independence is a big deal to lots of us.
post #4640 of 4650
Well there you go! Cost/benefit justified!!
post #4641 of 4650
My HD-XA2 keeps shutting down after 5 - 10 minutes of disc playback. Looks like this was a noted problem on this product. Does anyone know if there is fix? Am I correct in assuming it's a power supply issue?
post #4642 of 4650
Musicalfox-

If your player has the known "shutdown bug", then the workaround/fix is this: Have your stereo or TV (whatever device is connected to the XA2's HDMI cable) turned off when you turn the XA2's power on. Do not turn on the stereo or TV until the XA2 is completely "booted", showing the "no disc" message. This works every time for me.
post #4643 of 4650
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Originally Posted by ChrisW6ATV View Post

Musicalfox-

If your player has the known "shutdown bug", then the workaround/fix is this: Have your stereo or TV (whatever device is connected to the XA2's HDMI cable) turned off when you turn the XA2's power on. Do not turn on the stereo or TV until the XA2 is completely "booted", showing the "no disc" message. This works every time for me.

Thanks, Chris. Your recommendation will be good housekeeping for the future. However, before seeing your message, I took my player to a trusted repair shop. They identified some fried capacitors on the power supply board and replaced them. For under $100, that seemed a worthy investment. Unit working perfectly again.

I don't know if I'm imagining it, but I am still convinced that HD DVD somehow looks cleaner and better than Blu-ray - maybe it's just because the studios were trying to woo us back in 2008 with high-quality movie transfers. What a pity the format lost out.
post #4644 of 4650
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Originally Posted by musicalfox View Post

Thanks, Chris. Your recommendation will be good housekeeping for the future. However, before seeing your message, I took my player to a trusted repair shop. They identified some fried capacitors on the power supply board and replaced them. For under $100, that seemed a worthy investment. Unit working perfectly again.

I don't know if I'm imagining it, but I am still convinced that HD DVD somehow looks cleaner and better than Blu-ray - maybe it's just because the studios were trying to woo us back in 2008 with high-quality movie transfers. What a pity the format lost out.
I don't think your imagining it. I too think there's a slight edge to the picture quality of HD-DVD over Bluray. Not much, just a little nuance that I can tell. I have 2, HD-XA1 and 1, HD-XA2. One of the XA1 is used as a CD transport for my stereo listening rig. I haven't got any of them hooked up at the moment. Its all in storage because I'm in the middle of building my basement media/listening/HT/office multi-purpose room. I moved last year, and it's taken a while to get settled in to our new home. I can't wait to get everything functional again. smile.gif I still have a rather large library of HD-DVDs too.

Rick
post #4645 of 4650
I have a mint XA2 with limited use and about 30 discs. Original box, packing and manual and remote. What would be a good price to ask for all?
post #4646 of 4650
best offer.. like you just did
post #4647 of 4650
^^Best way really is to search completed listings on Ebay to see what recent ones have sold for.
Edited by Smarty-pants - 4/2/14 at 9:20am
post #4648 of 4650
Maybe that's what I need to do is list all of mine on ebay. Haven't used my XA2 or the others in several years. Let's see I also have a Onkyo 805,2-A 35,A2 and a unit for the Xbox and about 175 HD DVD movies. Or just keep them as a part of history.
post #4649 of 4650
Used to want one of those Onkyos, really badly; now disremember why...
post #4650 of 4650
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Originally Posted by yellowcanary73 View Post

Maybe that's what I need to do is list all of mine on ebay. Haven't used my XA2 or the others in several years. Let's see I also have a Onkyo 805,2-A 35,A2 and a unit for the Xbox and about 175 HD DVD movies. Or just keep them as a part of history.

LOL, same here an HD-XA2 and 2 x HD-A20s (still in boxes) and a LG GGW-H20L super multi drive (still useful) and a bookcase of HD DVD movies. The kids still watch the Harry Potter HD DVDs on occasion. There are a couple of exotic ones that have yet to come out on BD still amongst the collection.

The HD DVD area is more like the museum section of our disc library along with the laser discs. I cant bring myself to get rid of the LDs either yet - I think it is the cover art that gives them a reprieve. All the VHS cassettes went eons ago.
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