Originally Posted by Gino AUS
I think placement of my speakers works a treat. 4 subs?!? I'd love to mate, but these 2 beasts already shake the house down. Won't be anything left of the house if I went 4. Actually 1 would have been enough, but I wanted stereo bass and big. In any case, all speakers are full range loud speakers.
1 would have been enough, However you were right to go for 2.
Being enough to fill the room is one thing.
Removing the obvious position within the room of the sub does in my opinion require 2 or more subs.
Films take advantage of stereo bass, more than music.
I run the same left&right bass idea with the LFE channel run via left and right.
(Lexicon MC12B processor)
Could you speaker guy post the specs on these speakers please - freq response, x over points, is a response graph available - I will understand if not as custom built maybe not be viable to produce this.
Also what is the delay required between the bass and full range cabs set by the manufacturer ??? This will assume identical amps were used - or maybe they suggested this knowing the system being used.........IN FACT - Gino
- try this and then please tell me what you think - this will only take a minute to set up..........
Invert the bass cabinet - I mean rotate 180 deg so the driver is at the top (NOT invert the signal)
Lift the main left right on top of the subs - please center and at same angle as the subs - dont angle up or down. CHECK that they wont move on the subs - the cabinet of the sub should be solid and wont move so you should be OK (Designer will confirm this)
Change your delay settings to suit the new setup, your speaker designer might be able to tell you the natural delay between each cabinet and so you can align the cabs to suit, At a GUESS the top cab will need to be about 6-8 inches back from the front of the sub cabinet.
NOW tell me what you think............
DONT CHEAT - read the next bit AFTER you have done this...........
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GINO - DONT CHEAT, read this afterwards or I will have influenced your decision (maybe) already and that would be unfair on us both................REST OF YOU, PLEASE dont comment until Gino has done the above if he chooses to, again I would like this to be a reported result from GINO first...............I would expect you to notice a larger sound stage and clearer vocals - NOT night and day, these things never are, BUT you will have removed the reflections from the side of the bass cabinets, and allowed the left and right to create their own sound for much further without immediate reflections, same with the bass. Also you now have the speakers set up in more of a point source and so I would hope better integration between cabinets. Currently you look up to the screen and down to the speakers - you brain will be working overtime with that concept.
I dont promise this will be a "better" system, Im not saying the designer does not know what he is doing, Im not knocking the system in any way - These are just my thoughts and I am never afriad to mention them.............
If you can do this then I would like to hear an honest opinion, If you think the sound sucks then you have done something wrong, if you cant tell a differance then visually I think better others might not agree, if you think better then thats a good thing and im glad I mentioned it. If slightly worse then im sorry for the time you spent but at least you know not to do that.
Others here will post opinions but you will never know until you try these things - I know you are not afraid to try new stuff, My hat off to you for all you have done so far (you know that)
EDIT - test the above with male and female vocal music, films are much more difficult to test with........
All the best,