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post #31 of 115
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Originally Posted by PULLIAMM View Post

I told you alraedy that while you are free to believe what you want to, your alleged "knowledge" has no effect on reality.
In any event, all I have to do is turn on my stereo and listen to the flawless sound that the 705s produce to know with complete certainty that they are the best possible speakers under $2500.

Flawless?

You are such a blatantly biased fanboy it's not even funny to anyone anymore.

I personally found that Dynaudio Audience 52SE were easily superior to my ears to the 705s which I auditioned side-by-side. They are well under that $2500 cap you placed. In fact, they are cheaper than the B&W 705s.
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As soon as I saw the topic, I knew it wasn't going to end well once Pulliamm was back at work.
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Originally Posted by ericgl View Post

As soon as I saw the topic, I knew it wasn't going to end well once Pulliamm was back at work.

End it begins when he's at work,its ending now because he is off of work,remember he doesent have a computer at home.
post #34 of 115
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Originally Posted by PULLIAMM View Post

I am sure that Monitor Audio are among the immense number of speakers that I have heard.

I am sure that Charlize Theron is among the immense number of women I have done.
post #35 of 115
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Originally Posted by Tawaun da bomb View Post

I've got a speaker im listning to right now that costs $899,that sounds better,by a lot and looks better for way cheaper,and their are more speakers than just these Rocket 450s for cheaper thats better than the 705s,and the rest of the 700 line.

I hope you don't actually expect me to believe any of your lies.
post #36 of 115
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Originally Posted by ChrisWiggles View Post

I personally found that Dynaudio Audience 52SE were easily superior to my ears to the 705s which I auditioned side-by-side.

i agree. the Dynaudios are very thirsty speakers and like gobs of power... but they sound fantastic. better than the 705, no doubt.
post #37 of 115
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Originally Posted by VicAjax View Post

i agree. the Dynaudios are very thirsty speakers and like gobs of power... but they sound fantastic. better than the 705, no doubt.

The phrase "no doubt" is inappropriate here, as I very much doubt it.
post #38 of 115
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Originally Posted by PULLIAMM View Post

The phrase "no doubt" is inappropriate here, as I very much doubt it.

give it a rest.
post #39 of 115
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Originally Posted by VicAjax View Post

give it a rest.

Stop using the utterly ridiculous phrase "better than the 705s", and I might.
post #40 of 115
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Originally Posted by PULLIAMM View Post

Stop using the utterly ridiculous phrase "better than the 705s", and I might.

i think your personal crusade is having quite the opposite effect of what you intend.
post #41 of 115
Thread Starter 
Folks, if you're going to contribute, could you please be a trifle more constructive? Instead of just "Speaker X blows away Speaker Y", could you please detail the reasons that you think that Speaker X is superior (better low end, smoother high end, better cabinet, or whatever)?

It would help a lot, I think, to know what to listen for when I audition speakers.

Also, Dynaudios, B&Ws, Paradigms, Monitor Audios--in fact, pretty much every brand mentioned in this thread--has received multiple glowing reviews from several audio magazines, so I don't think that anyone can really say that any of them are "crap". It's just a matter of which one best suits the listener's personal acoustic and aesthetic preferences.
post #42 of 115
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Originally Posted by VicAjax View Post

i think your personal crusade is having quite the opposite effect of what you intend.

And what effect do you think I intend? (This forum is mildly entertaining, and that is all I have ever expected from it.)
post #43 of 115
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Originally Posted by Robonaut View Post

Folks, if you're going to contribute, could you please be a trifle more constructive? Instead of just "Speaker X blows away Speaker Y", could you please detail the reasons that you think that Speaker X is superior (better low end, smoother high end, better cabinet, or whatever)?

It would help a lot, I think, to know what to listen for when I audition speakers.

Also, Dynaudios, B&Ws, Paradigms, Monitor Audios--in fact, pretty much every brand mentioned in this thread--has received multiple glowing reviews from several audio magazines, so I don't think that anyone can really say that any of them are "crap". It's just a matter of which one best suits the listener's personal acoustic and aesthetic preferences.

You are exactly right - it's unfortunate that these threads get taken over by the bashers and the fanboys when the reality is that it comes down to personal preference.

Back to the subject: it was already mentioned, but have you had a chance to listen to the B&W CM1s? Since you really liked the 705s these might do it for you (though I'm not entirely sure if they have the finish you like or not).

Good luck and have fun in your journey!

Bill
post #44 of 115
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Originally Posted by PULLIAMM View Post

I very much doubt it.

That's only because you're an idiot. If you had auditioned speakers instead of simply buying the 705s, you'd have had a better perspective about the worth of BWs. But no... Just like the Primus, and the Klipsh, and the 602's, you simply can't even imagine something better... Well stop being retarded and realise that its the same thing with the 705's, they're just your favor of the month, and there's countless better speakers or speakers with better value out there...

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could you please detail the reasons that you think that Speaker X is superior (better low end, smoother high end, better cabinet, or whatever)?

I can answer that one for PULLIAM. The 705's have perfect bass (BW engineers have solved all the issues which could cause any distortion), far better than any non-BW sub, the best high end you'll ever find on any speaker, the cabinet is absolutely exquisite, you won't find anything better than its BW cabinet, and basically, its just the best speaker in the world. Its like the Infinity Primus or the 602s, only, everything is better on it. Its better than everything else. If anyone says the contrary, they're just lying or idiots. I only buy the best, and I bought them, so they're the best. Name any speaker you want, and I'll tell you that I've probably heard them in the hundreds of speakers I've listened to (I don't remember brands or models though...) and they're not better than my BW 705s. BW is the best brand of the whole world.

post #45 of 115
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Originally Posted by Grandarf View Post

The 705's have perfect bass (BW engineers have solved all the issues which could cause any distortion), the best high end you'll ever find on any speaker, the cabinet is absolutely exquisite, you won't find anything better than its BW cabinet, and basically, its just the best speaker in the world.

Absolutely 100% correct, and the only true statement you have ever made on this forum.
post #46 of 115
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Originally Posted by PULLIAMM View Post

I hope you don't actually expect me to believe any of your lies.

I dont lie,especially when it comes to audio,I hate to see people pay more for less like you did with the 705's.
post #47 of 115
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Originally Posted by Grandarf View Post

there's countless better speakers or speakers with better value out there...

No, there are not.
post #48 of 115
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Originally Posted by Tawaun da bomb View Post

I dont lie,especially when it comes to audio,I hate to see people pay more for less like you did with the 705's.

If you seriously believe that you are not lying when you make the bogus claim that better speakers exist for less than the 705s, then you must be hallucinating instead. I suggest seeing a good neurologist.
post #49 of 115
Pulliamm, if you are not going to do anything but insult people then I suggest you leave.

Grandarf, watch the name calling.

I will hand out suspensions if this continues.

Kyser
post #50 of 115
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Originally Posted by Robonaut View Post

Folks, if you're going to contribute, could you please be a trifle more constructive? Instead of just "Speaker X blows away Speaker Y", could you please detail the reasons that you think that Speaker X is superior (better low end, smoother high end, better cabinet, or whatever)?

It would help a lot, I think, to know what to listen for when I audition speakers.

point taken... although you yourself haven't really said what you liked about the 705 or the other speakers you've auditioned.

what i took away from my listening session with the Dynaudio 52SE was the open, smooth highs. they sparkled without glaring, and gave the soundstage a nice sense of depth. to my ears, the 705's treble was harsher and tizzier.

the bass dropped off smoothly, without that confounded hump that so many other monitors of this size have. to be sure, i didn't hear this hump with the 705 either (i did with the 600 series), but the Dynaudio reached deeper.

i'm not trying to bash B&W. there are B&W speakers that i do like quite a bit. in general, the detailed, analytical sound that B&W is known for turns me on. i loved the old Matrix series, even though they're fugly. the 800 sounds good too.

you also might want to try the monitors in the Energy Veritas series.

if you can stretch your budget up to $2000, the Devore Fidelity Gibbon 3 are possibly the best monitors i've ever heard. precise imaging, great timing, smooth from top to bottom. i don't know that i could find a flaw in them, except that the grills cost an extra $30.
post #51 of 115
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Originally Posted by VicAjax View Post

point taken... although you yourself haven't really said what you liked about the 705 or the other speakers you've auditioned.

what i took away from my listening session with the Dynaudio 52SE was the open, smooth highs. they sparkled without glaring, and gave the soundstage a nice sense of depth. to my ears, the 705's treble was harsher and tizzier.

the bass dropped off smoothly, without that confounded hump that so many other monitors of this size have. to be sure, i didn't hear this hump with the 705 either (i did with the 600 series), but the Dynaudio reached deeper.

i'm not trying to bash B&W. there are B&W speakers that i do like quite a bit. in general, the detailed, analytical sound that B&W is known for turns me on. i loved the old Matrix series, even though they're fugly. the 800 sounds good too.

you also might want to try the monitors in the Energy Veritas series.

if you can stretch your budget up to $2000, the Devore Fidelity Gibbon 3 are possibly the best monitors i've ever heard. precise imaging, great timing, smooth from top to bottom. i don't know that i could find a flaw in them, except that the grills cost an extra $30.

If you like the Dynes,do yourself a favor a listen to Confidence C1 even though they are expensive they are great point of reference,it will be a audition you will never forget.
post #52 of 115
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Originally Posted by Tawaun da bomb View Post

If you like the Dynes,do yourself a favor a listen to Confidence C1 even though they are expensive they are great point of reference,it will be a audition you will never forget.

if you're directing that to me... thanks but i've already made my speaker purchase and won't be doing any more auditioning for quite some time.
post #53 of 115
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Originally Posted by VicAjax View Post

if you're directing that to me... thanks but i've already made my speaker purchase and won't be doing any more auditioning for quite some time.

I dont blame you,especially if your happy right now the 52SE is a great speaker,a speaker like the C1 can be quite mind boggling.
post #54 of 115
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Originally Posted by Tawaun da bomb View Post

I dont blame you,especially if your happy right now the 52SE is a great speaker,a speaker like the C1 can be quite mind boggling.

actually... i didn't buy the 52SE...
i went with the Rega R5.
post #55 of 115
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Originally Posted by PULLIAMM View Post

Stop using the utterly ridiculous phrase "better than the 705s", and I might.

There are many many speakers in the world better than the 705s. Nobody can doubt that. The 705s are absolutely excellent speakers in my opinion, and they hold their own well at their pricepoint. But saying that they are the best in the world, or that they are "flawless" is ridiculous. Just within the B&W line there are significantly superior speakers, and yes they do cost a lot more. There are also many other manufacturers beyond B&W who make excellent speakers which are also easily better than the 705.

I have nothing negative to say about B&W, they make solid speakers IMO. They are not my favorite brand generally, and the 705s were not my favorite speaker in that pricerange, but they are excellent speakers and I'm sure they're the right choice for many listeners.

You really need to back off this inane and childish B&W fanmongering you've got going on, because it's silly and not helpful to anyone. You like your speakers, great. I'm glad you are happy with your purchase and you are enjoying your system. That does not mean that you can't keep an open mind and appreciate quality that is available elsewhere as well. B&W does not have a monopoly on high-quality loudspeakers. Far from it.
post #56 of 115
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Originally Posted by PULLIAMM View Post

Stop using the utterly ridiculous phrase "better than the 705s", and I might.

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Originally Posted by PULLIAMM
I told you alraedy that while you are free to believe what you want to, your alleged "knowledge" has no effect on reality.
In any event, all I have to do is turn on my stereo and listen to the flawless sound that the 705s produce to know with complete certainty that they are the best possible speakers under $2500.

Hmm ... Is the pot calling the kettle black?
post #57 of 115
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Originally Posted by ChrisWiggles View Post

There are many many speakers in the world better than the 705s. Nobody can doubt that. The 705s are absolutely excellent speakers in my opinion, and they hold their own well at their pricepoint. But saying that they are the best in the world, or that they are "flawless" is ridiculous. Just within the B&W line there are significantly superior speakers, and yes they do cost a lot more. There are also many other manufacturers beyond B&W who make excellent speakers which are also easily better than the 705.

I have nothing negative to say about B&W, they make solid speakers IMO. They are not my favorite brand generally, and the 705s were not my favorite speaker in that pricerange, but they are excellent speakers and I'm sure they're the right choice for many listeners.

You really need to back off this inane and childish B&W fanmongering you've got going on, because it's silly and not helpful to anyone. You like your speakers, great. I'm glad you are happy with your purchase and you are enjoying your system. That does not mean that you can't keep an open mind and appreciate quality that is available elsewhere as well. B&W does not have a monopoly on high-quality loudspeakers. Far from it.

I get concerned when someone spends more time bragging about their 705s than actually listening to them.
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Originally Posted by wje View Post

I get concerned when someone spends more time bragging about their 705s than actually listening to them.

I get more concerned when the person is old enough to be his own personality's father
post #59 of 115
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Originally Posted by VicAjax View Post

point taken... although you yourself haven't really said what you liked about the 705 or the other speakers you've auditioned..

Fair enough, although I thought I mentioned that the first pair that I listened to were Klipsch floor standers with a really harsh treble sound that immediately turned me off. Also, I absolutely hate the copper-colored drivers on the Klipsch's.

The DM602s had a much nicer treble--smoother I guess is how I would describe it. Soundstaging seemed good, but I don't remember it being spectacular. The Sorrento cabinet is pretty sweet looking, but the vinyl is a bit of a let down.

The 705s had an even nicer treble than the DM602s. Also, they seemed to throw out a very large soundstage. I listen to a lot of progressive trance and other electronic music with a lot of effects and the big reverbs in certain tracks really sounded huge. Voices sounded very, well, real. Brendan Perry's "Eye of the Hunter" album has a lot of tracks which are mostly accoustic guitar and his voice. If I closed my eyes while listening to the 705s it literally sounded like Brendan was in the room with me--I can't say that I've experienced that with a loudspeaker before. My one complaint with the 705s, though, is that with more aggressive music (like KMFDM's "Attak" album) they got a bit nasty sounding--and not in a good way. I wonder if that might be a limitation of a being a 2-way speaker? KMFDM has a lot of midrange (guitars, etc) as well as a lot of bass--perhaps the single midrange/woofer just couldn't handle all of the activity? I may need to listen to the 703s/704s and see if they handle that kind of material any better.

I next listened to the Paradigm Studio 20s at a store down the street. Honestly, after spending an hour and a half listening to the 705s, the Studio 20s were kind of a let down. They seemed to lack a bit in every category compared to the 705s--which isn't too suprising since they cost half the price. They were probably a bit better than the DM602s, though. It didn't help that I get crappy service every time I go into this store--I really don't want to buy from them but they seem to be the only Paradign dealer in my area.

About a week later I went to another store to listen to the Monitor Audio Silver Series. The bookshelves were very nice and put out a good deal of bass for their size. I did think that they sounded a bit unpleasent in the treble (in comparison to the 705s--I thought that they were equal to or better than the DM602s in this reagard...it was a week between sessions, though). The RS6 towers were another story, though. Maybe it was due to being three-way speakers, but I thought that their treble was much more refined than the bookshelves. I don't think that they were quite as nice as the 705s in the treble, and their soundstaging wasn't as good, but they made up for it by handling KMFDM much better than the 705s--it sounded aggressive instead of irritating. Oh, and did I mention the cabinetry? It's far classier than the B&W 6-series. I may even like it more than the 7-series (those white drivers with the light wood put me in modernist heaven!). I was very impressed by these speakers.

Also at this store they had the Mirage Omnisat v2 floorstanders. I had never heard these, and I was curious, so I had the salesman hook them up. They sounded much more "constricted" than the RS6s--like too much music was trying to be funneled through too small a speaker. I will say, though, that the soundstage on the Omnisats is freaking amazing! I could walk around the room and the sound from the speakers changed very little--quite impressive. I could see why someone would want these for home theater use. Supposedly, the store I went to is going to get in Mirage's upscale line shortly. I may have to check those out--if they can combine the musicality of something like the RS6 with the omnipolar soundstage, they would be the perfect speaker (for me). I've heard that they're not cheap, though.

So, that's what I've learned so far. Sorry if I'm not very good about describing what I heard--I'm still trying to learn how to better talk about audio.
post #60 of 115
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Originally Posted by Robonaut View Post

So, that's what I've learned so far. Sorry if I'm not very good about describing what I heard--I'm still trying to learn how to better talk about audio.

that's a pretty darn good rundown of what you heard and what you like. did you get a chance to hear the Monitor Audio GS10? they're the same price as the 705. behind the bickering, there've been some pretty good suggestions in this thread.. you should make a list and see what's available in your area.

but if you really can't find anything you like as much as the 705, i think you should do what you can to get them. otherwise, you'll probably have regrets.
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