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post #31 of 504
12/18/06 at 5:34pm
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Originally Posted by JBlacklow View Post

So, a box was waiting for me this afternoon, and inside was a nice, shiny Sony STRDG1000. I've played around with it for a while, and here's my take...

Equipment:
PS3: Blu-ray, SACD via HDMI.
Pioneer DV588S: DVD-A, SACD via 6-channel analog
HTPC: DVD, CD, various video and audio codecs via SPDIF
SA8300HD: Cable HDTV via SPDIF

First thing I tried was the HTPC. DVDs work fine, decodes DD and DTS--including the matrixed formats--just fine. It even reads DVDs with PCM soundtracks. Cable box works perfect, 1080i and 720p were no problem. Blah, blah, time to get to the good stuff...

The PS3 works like gangbusters. There were absolutely no problems with handshaking, HDCP, or using the OSD, even when I switched away from the HDMI input. The PS3 said it supported every audio option (around 15 of them) from 2.0 16-bit/48khz to 7.1 24-bit/192khz. One cool thing about this receiver is that it flashes the bitrate on the receiver display, which is both useful (see below) and totally sweet.

For Blu-ray, it passed 1080p and 5.1 PCM with 0 problems. "Talladega Nights" showed "48khz" on the receiver, so presumably it's a 5.1 16/48 soundtrack. "Kingdom of Heaven" was read as "48khz" as well, and the DTS HD core was passed on as 1.5Mbps 5.1 PCM. Side note: The OSD for the PS3 rocks. You get timecodes, video and audio codecs, plus video and audio bitrates. Awesome. "Marvel: Ultimate Alliance" was read as Dolby Digital, to my surprise. I was unable to test "Resistance" due to some temporary router issues, so I'll have to check in later with that. As mentioned, I couldn't get it to do DPL IIx/DDEX or DTS ES mixing on 5.1 PCM. For SACD, both multi-channel and stereo tracks played flawlessly. I thought the unit couldn't go past 96khz, but I was pleasantly surprised that the receiver said the signal was being passed as 176khz PCM. I'll check again, but I think the signals are displayed as 5.1/7.1 even if they're 5.0 or 4.1 or whatever. It doesn't actually mix the channels, thankfully. I couldn't be sure, but I think the PS3 corrects for the +10 LFE on SACDs.

Playing DVD-A via the 6-channel analog from the Pioneer uni also worked fine, although LFE correction is necessary. Thankfully, speaker size/levels/distance seems to work on both analog and HDMI inputs, although LFE correction only goes to +10.

All in all, a very nice receiver for the cost. I've still got some playing and tweaking to do this weekend, but I'm satisfied so far. I've been hearing that it has the internals of the ES line (the 5200ES to be exact), so I'm hoping it doesn't have the QC issues I've both heard about and experienced with previous Sonys. It's doing almost everything I was hoped, it works with my Harmony remote, and it looks nice too.


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post #32 of 504
12/18/06 at 10:20pm
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Originally Posted by RobertR1 View Post

There are issues with the PS3 and XR-57 in regard to CDaudio/SACD playback:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=769373


To be more precise: the issue is that this panasonic receiver doesn't do any processing on the incoming pcm signals from the hdmi input. You have to keep this in mind when choosing this receiver.
If you need processing on lpcm signals look elsewhere.
post #33 of 504
12/22/06 at 9:34am
So, Robert1
what's with your panny receiver?
post #34 of 504
12/24/06 at 3:19pm
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So, Robert1
what's with your panny receiver?

This issue is the Panasonic SA-XR57 doesn't do bass management on LPCM signals. That doesn't matter with some other BD and HD-DVD players with bass management, but the PS3 doesn't offer that capability.

No bass management for HDMI audio on receiver + no bass management on PS3 =
post #35 of 504
12/24/06 at 4:24pm
So, is the Panny 700 the way to go?
post #36 of 504
12/24/06 at 4:48pm
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So, is the Panny 700 the way to go?

The Panny 700 addresses most of the issues with the XR57, but it still won't apply 7.1 PrologicIIx processing to 5.1 input over LPCM. If you don't have a 7.1 speaker setup, then this shouldn't matter to you. On the other hand, if you do have a 7.1 setup, then you may want to look elsewhere.
post #37 of 504
12/24/06 at 5:06pm
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Originally Posted by bfdtv View Post

The Panny 700 addresses most of the issues with the XR57, but it still won't apply 7.1 PrologicIIx processing to 5.1 input over LPCM. If you don't have a 7.1 speaker setup, then this shouldn't matter to you. On the other hand, if you do have a 7.1 setup, then you may want to look elsewhere.

Not only that, Panasonic removed digital output on the 700, so if you have a digital processor (like I do) that uses it, you SOL. Not sure why they made this decision when every other receiver/decoder has at least 1 coax/optical output, but their loss.

That and the other reasons noted are why I have decided to wait for HDMI 1.3 receivers.
post #38 of 504
12/25/06 at 6:38am
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Originally Posted by bfdtv View Post

This issue is the Panasonic SA-XR57 doesn't do bass management on LPCM signals. That doesn't matter with some other BD and HD-DVD players with bass management, but the PS3 doesn't offer that capability.

No bass management for HDMI audio on receiver + no bass management on PS3 =

So what does that mean exactly? I usually never change the bass when I use my XR57. Does this mean that the bass is very low or high?
post #39 of 504
12/25/06 at 9:39am
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So what does that mean exactly? I usually never change the bass when I use my XR57. Does this mean that the bass is very low or high?

It means you are relying on your front and rears to produce bass in those signals. That's fine if you have large tower speakers with built-in subwoofers, but if you have small satellite speakers, then you are missing much of the bass in those channels, since it isn't redirected to the subwoofer as it would be on other HDMI receivers.
post #40 of 504
12/25/06 at 10:34am
I bought a Denon 2807 a few days before I bought my PS3, and they work together like a charm. I highly recommend this setup.
post #41 of 504
12/25/06 at 11:16am
Honey,
Will the 2807 allow 7.1 LPCM over HDMI?
post #42 of 504
12/25/06 at 11:19am
Who has the best price for the 2807?
post #43 of 504
12/25/06 at 11:42am
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Originally Posted by purduealum91 View Post

Who has the best price for the 2807?

Use Froogle or pricegrabber. Or you can support the advertisers of the AVSF.


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post #44 of 504
12/25/06 at 12:10pm
Thanks Write, but was hoping for even better deals than pricegrabber listed.
post #45 of 504
12/25/06 at 12:53pm
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Originally Posted by HybridHB View Post

The XR57 wont pass 1080p. I know, I had one with my PS3. This should be changed to 1080p and PCM over HDMI recievers thread .

Yep this is the key. Wouldn't recommend an HDMI receiver without being able to pass 1080p.
post #46 of 504
12/25/06 at 1:01pm
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Will the 2807 allow 7.1 LPCM over HDMI?

I just checked in the owner''s manual. There is no explicit mention that HDMI might only pass through 5.1 or 6.1. I therefore guess that the 2807 allows 7.1 LPCM over HDMI.
post #47 of 504
12/25/06 at 2:20pm
You guys do realize Denon announced they'll have a whole line of HDMI 1.3 receivers available by mid 2007?
post #48 of 504
12/25/06 at 3:39pm
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You guys do realize Denon announced they'll have a whole line of HDMI 1.3 receivers available by mid 2007?

I do realize Denon has announced a new HDMI 1.3 compatible line for mid 2007. If the line will
actually be available at that time remains to be seen. Anyway, I don't think having an HDMI 1.3 receiver will make any difference before quite some time, at least for sources like HD DVD or Blu Ray players (see various threads in the A/V receivers forum).
post #49 of 504
12/25/06 at 4:03pm
It will make a significant difference if HDMI 1.3 receivers do processes PLII and offers other features such as bass mgt which appear to be lacking on current receivers. But as you said, it remains to be seen.

I, personally am willing to wait. I have DD640K output now which is a nice improvement and am willing to stick with it a little longer.
post #50 of 504
12/25/06 at 10:26pm
I got my Onkyo 604 Friday night. Won't have a PS3 till after the new year, but the difference between it and my old Pioneer VSX-812K in regards to HD-DVD playback is astounding. HDMI audio works like a charm, and I finally have BASS!
post #51 of 504
12/26/06 at 8:00am
Will the Onkyo pass 7.1 LPCM thru HDMI?
post #52 of 504
12/26/06 at 8:09am
I am debating about getting either the Onkyo 674 or 604. I am replacing a Onkyo 600 with it. What do you guys think? 604 or 674?
post #53 of 504
12/26/06 at 8:35am
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I am debating about getting either the Onkyo 674 or 604. I am replacing a Onkyo 600 with it. What do you guys think? 604 or 674?

There are HDMI dropout issues with the 674, so I would be wary of that receiver.

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Will the Onkyo pass 7.1 LPCM thru HDMI?

Yes.
post #54 of 504
12/26/06 at 9:21am
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Originally Posted by bfdtv View Post

There are HDMI dropout issues with the 674, so I would be wary of that receiver.

Yes.

Did you end up replacing your Panny XR57 with the Onkyo 604/674? If so, are you happier now with the Onkyo? I'm considering replacing my XR57 with the Onkyo 604 because of the XR57's inability to apply DD EX/PLIIx and BM to LPCM. Plus, I keep getting HDMI errors with the XR57.
post #55 of 504
12/26/06 at 10:45am
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Did you end up replacing your Panny XR57 with the Onkyo 604/674? If so, are you happier now with the Onkyo? I'm considering replacing my XR57 with the Onkyo 604 because of the XR57's inability to apply DD EX/PLIIx and BM to LPCM.

If I could return the XR57, I probably would. I can't, though, as it is a few months old.

I never intended the XR57 as a long-term solution. I just didn't want to spend $1000-1500 on a new receiver without HDMI 1.3. Once the new HDMI 1.3 receivers are out with improved video processing and room equalization (circa May/June), I'll replace the Panasonic. If you are still within the return period on your XR57, I would swap it for the Onkyo SR604, which can now be had for $349 from Amazon.
post #56 of 504
12/26/06 at 11:10am
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Originally Posted by purduealum91 View Post

So, is the Panny 700 the way to go?

Dont forget it will not output everything thru HDMI, inputs have to have the same output.
post #57 of 504
12/26/06 at 11:36am
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Dont forget it will not output everything thru HDMI, inputs have to have the same output.

By now, most on this forum should have a remote that makes audio and video switching seamless. Logitech Harmony remotes change the audio and video input on your receiver and the video input on your TV at the same time.
post #58 of 504
12/26/06 at 11:38am
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Originally Posted by Nick Graham View Post

I got my Onkyo 604 Friday night. Won't have a PS3 till after the new year, but the difference between it and my old Pioneer VSX-812K in regards to HD-DVD playback is astounding. HDMI audio works like a charm, and I finally have BASS!

Could you tell us whether this receiver will allow speaker level adjustments, bass management, etc. when using the HDMI multichannel PCM input? We know it won't do DPLIIX processing or any of the DSP modes, but what about simple speaker adjustments? Do the settings for the speakers created by the Audyessy stick for the multichannel PCM? Be sure to check using a multichannel PCM track, not the Dolby Digital track.
post #59 of 504
12/26/06 at 12:06pm
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Originally Posted by bfdtv View Post

If I could return the XR57, I probably would. I can't, though, as it is a few months old.

I never intended the XR57 as a long-term solution. I just didn't want to spend $1000-1500 on a new receiver without HDMI 1.3. Once the new HDMI 1.3 receivers are out with improved video processing and room equalization (circa May/June), I'll replace the Panasonic. If you are still within the return period on your XR57, I would swap it for the Onkyo SR604, which can now be had for $349 from Amazon.

I have had my XR57 for 2-1/2 months. I could probably upgrade it to the Panny XR700 or to a Yamaha or Pioneer Elite at the store I purchased it from (I know the manager) but they don't sell Onkyo. SO, like you, I'll probably wait.
post #60 of 504
12/26/06 at 2:23pm
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Originally Posted by bfdtv View Post

It means you are relying on your front and rears to produce bass in those signals. That's fine if you have large tower speakers with built-in subwoofers, but if you have small satellite speakers, then you are missing much of the bass in those channels, since it isn't redirected to the subwoofer as it would be on other HDMI receivers.

Does this mean it would be better to just use the Optical Audio and miss out on the advance codec processing and SACD playback? Or should I just use the HDMI LPCM and hope for the best with my Athena Micra-6 satelite speakers?
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