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post #61 of 504
12/26/06 at 4:23pm
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Does this mean it would be better to just use the Optical Audio and miss out on the advance codec processing and SACD playback?

I think so, since you have mini satellite speakers that aren't able to reproduce the bass from those channels.

It's possible that Sony will add bass management to the PS3 in the future, although I have not heard anything to that effect.

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post #62 of 504
12/26/06 at 7:23pm
Is there another place that discuses this situation because that kind of defeats the purpose of an HDMI receiver in the first place.
post #63 of 504
12/26/06 at 10:23pm
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Is there another place that discuses this situation because that kind of defeats the purpose of an HDMI receiver in the first place.

Only a few receivers have this limitations -- unfortunately the Panasonic SA-XR57 is one of those.

Several other DVD, HD-DVD, and Blu-ray players have built-in bass management, so they don't exhibit this same issue -- but the PS3 doesn't.
post #64 of 504
12/26/06 at 10:52pm
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Originally Posted by Jazar View Post

Does this mean it would be better to just use the Optical Audio and miss out on the advance codec processing and SACD playback? Or should I just use the HDMI LPCM and hope for the best with my Athena Micra-6 satelite speakers?

I dont' believe you can have audio out of the optical if HDMI is connected. Can anyone confirm? I'm too lazy
post #65 of 504
12/26/06 at 11:05pm
Which receiver can:

pass 1080p via HDMI
allow 7.1 LPCM over HDMI? (allow you to matrix 5.1 into 7.1)
no -10 bass issue

At least 100watts per channel?
post #66 of 504
12/27/06 at 7:27am
Will the Only 674 do this? Anyone with this receiver and a PS3? Im leaning towards this receiver over the Onkyo 604 since the 674 upscales ALL inputs over HDMI.
post #67 of 504
12/27/06 at 9:19am
Ok, i need a new reciever.

Which is best...

Onkyo 604
Onkya 674
Sony STR DG 10000
Denon 2807


I got a PS3.
post #68 of 504
12/27/06 at 9:40am
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Which receiver can:

pass 1080p via HDMI
allow 7.1 LPCM over HDMI? (allow you to matrix 5.1 into 7.1)
no -10 bass issue

At least 100watts per channel?

I think the 2807 can (I am sure it allows 1080p over HDMI and has no -10 bass issue, and there is no mention in the owner's manual that the receiver does not allow 7.1 LPCM over HDMI; I did not check this last point personally, though).

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Ok, i need a new reciever.

Which is best...

Onkyo 604
Onkya 674
Sony STR DG 10000
Denon 2807


I got a PS3.

I got a PS3 recently and got confronted with the same problem as you. I chose the Denon 2807 and am very happy about it.
post #69 of 504
12/27/06 at 10:04am
Of those, the Denon 2807 is best if you don't need 1080p output. The Denon receivers are the best on the market at handling HDMI audio (LPCM), but some owners have reported issues with the 2807 passing 1080p signals.

Keep in mind the 2007 model replacements from the above manufacturers will be announced in less than two weeks.
post #70 of 504
12/27/06 at 2:11pm
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Originally Posted by bfdtv View Post

Of those, the Denon 2807 is best if you don't need 1080p output. The Denon receivers are the best on the market at handling HDMI audio (LPCM), but some owners have reported issues with the 2807 passing 1080p signals.

Keep in mind the 2007 model replacements from the above manufacturers will be announced in less than two weeks.

What about the sony STR DG 1000? it will pass 1080p...any issues with it and the PS3?

I can get the Onkyo 604 for less than $350.....and it will pass 1080p and switch audio in HDMI...
post #71 of 504
12/27/06 at 2:17pm
What about the Onkyo TX-SR674B Receiver?

Its about $540 and will upscale everything to HDMI...

It also passes 1080p

Are there any issues with this receiver and the PS3?
post #72 of 504
12/27/06 at 2:40pm
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What about the sony STR DG 1000? it will pass 1080p...any issues with it and the PS3?

AFAIK, Sony receivers do not correctly handle LFE LPCM signals.

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What about the Onkyo TX-SR674B Receiver?

The 674 exhibits video dropouts with HDMI signals.

I would suggest you read this thread.
post #73 of 504
12/27/06 at 5:11pm
So there is NO LFE bass with XR57/PS3 combo via HDMI ( or is it just the -10 db that many other receivers seem to have ) ?

Is it the same for movies , games , etc ?

I have not connected my PS3 to my XR57 via HDMI as of yet (using toslink for now since the HD DVD player is using the HDMI in) but this is upsetting news if true .

- Thanks ,
-- Jason
post #74 of 504
12/27/06 at 5:26pm
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Originally Posted by RobertR1 View Post

I dont' believe you can have audio out of the optical if HDMI is connected. Can anyone confirm? I'm too lazy

No, you can.
post #75 of 504
12/27/06 at 5:31pm
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Originally Posted by DaGamePimp View Post

So there is NO LFE bass with XR57/PS3 combo via HDMI ( or is it just the -10 db that many other receivers seem to have ) ?

Is it the same for movies , games , etc ?

I have not connected my PS3 to my XR57 via HDMI as of yet (using toslink for now since the HD DVD player is using the HDMI in) but this is upsetting news if true .

- Thanks ,
-- Jason

It's not that there's no LFE. It's that with the multichannel PCM input (HDMI), the LFE channel is the only thing that is passed to the subwoofer. The receiver won't send the bass from the other channels to the subwoofer.

This behavior will be different with sources like DD, DTS, optical 2-channel, etc. In those cases the receiver will do bass management and other things.
post #76 of 504
12/27/06 at 6:19pm
I have the Onkyo SR-674 and think it's fantastic. I believe it handles LFE well enough and the video dropouts that people seem to be experiencing are from defective units, . I have a PS3 and an HD-DVD player hooked up to it and they work perfectly.

The receiver will passthrough all inputs (upto 1080p) so that you need only one cable out (HDMI), but I do not think it upconverts anything; I say that without checking.

Only disadvantage is that there are only two HDMI inputs, but that seems to be the norm.

Later.
post #77 of 504
12/27/06 at 6:29pm
I can confirm that the Denon 2307CI, Denon 2807, and Pioneer Elite VSX-82TSX can all pass 1080p and support LPCM.

My fav out of them was the Pio vsx-82tsx, I had to return it because it was just too big for my TV stand. I then went on to the 2307, which did everything very well, and if you're on a budget is probably your best bet for a receiver...however I had a problem with it and returned it for the 2807 which is basically just a step up from the 2307 and does the same stuff, just a little better. Not too noticeable though.
post #78 of 504
12/27/06 at 6:31pm
Oh...the 2307's remote SUCKS. Get a Harmony.
post #79 of 504
12/28/06 at 7:40am
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Originally Posted by joeLTron View Post

I can confirm that the Denon 2307CI, Denon 2807, and Pioneer Elite VSX-82TSX can all pass 1080p and support LPCM.

My fav out of them was the Pio vsx-82tsx, I had to return it because it was just too big for my TV stand. I then went on to the 2307, which did everything very well, and if you're on a budget is probably your best bet for a receiver...however I had a problem with it and returned it for the 2807 which is basically just a step up from the 2307 and does the same stuff, just a little better. Not too noticeable though.


So the best receivers for the PS3 will be the 2307 or 2807 and the pioneer if you have the space of it in your rack? Stay away from the Sony 1000?
post #80 of 504
12/28/06 at 7:42am
The Denon 2307 $599.99
http://www.etronics.com/product.asp?...re=&catid=4118
post #81 of 504
12/28/06 at 10:11am
hows the yamaha htr-6090?
post #82 of 504
12/29/06 at 10:45am
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Originally Posted by Tripjammer View Post

What about the sony STR DG 1000? it will pass 1080p...any issues with it and the PS3?

I can get the Onkyo 604 for less than $350.....and it will pass 1080p and switch audio in HDMI...

I don't know how many times must I post this post and LINK but you guys who are asking a lot of questions should go read that link and thread.

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Originally Posted by JBlacklow View Post

So, a box was waiting for me this afternoon, and inside was a nice, shiny Sony STRDG1000. I've played around with it for a while, and here's my take...

Equipment:
PS3: Blu-ray, SACD via HDMI.
Pioneer DV588S: DVD-A, SACD via 6-channel analog
HTPC: DVD, CD, various video and audio codecs via SPDIF
SA8300HD: Cable HDTV via SPDIF

First thing I tried was the HTPC. DVDs work fine, decodes DD and DTS--including the matrixed formats--just fine. It even reads DVDs with PCM soundtracks. Cable box works perfect, 1080i and 720p were no problem. Blah, blah, time to get to the good stuff...

The PS3 works like gangbusters. There were absolutely no problems with handshaking, HDCP, or using the OSD, even when I switched away from the HDMI input. The PS3 said it supported every audio option (around 15 of them) from 2.0 16-bit/48khz to 7.1 24-bit/192khz. One cool thing about this receiver is that it flashes the bitrate on the receiver display, which is both useful (see below) and totally sweet.

For Blu-ray, it passed 1080p and 5.1 PCM with 0 problems. "Talladega Nights" showed "48khz" on the receiver, so presumably it's a 5.1 16/48 soundtrack. "Kingdom of Heaven" was read as "48khz" as well, and the DTS HD core was passed on as 1.5Mbps 5.1 PCM. Side note: The OSD for the PS3 rocks. You get timecodes, video and audio codecs, plus video and audio bitrates. Awesome. "Marvel: Ultimate Alliance" was read as Dolby Digital, to my surprise. I was unable to test "Resistance" due to some temporary router issues, so I'll have to check in later with that. As mentioned, I couldn't get it to do DPL IIx/DDEX or DTS ES mixing on 5.1 PCM. For SACD, both multi-channel and stereo tracks played flawlessly. I thought the unit couldn't go past 96khz, but I was pleasantly surprised that the receiver said the signal was being passed as 176khz PCM. I'll check again, but I think the signals are displayed as 5.1/7.1 even if they're 5.0 or 4.1 or whatever. It doesn't actually mix the channels, thankfully. I couldn't be sure, but I think the PS3 corrects for the +10 LFE on SACDs.

Playing DVD-A via the 6-channel analog from the Pioneer uni also worked fine, although LFE correction is necessary. Thankfully, speaker size/levels/distance seems to work on both analog and HDMI inputs, although LFE correction only goes to +10.

All in all, a very nice receiver for the cost. I've still got some playing and tweaking to do this weekend, but I'm satisfied so far. I've been hearing that it has the internals of the ES line (the 5200ES to be exact), so I'm hoping it doesn't have the QC issues I've both heard about and experienced with previous Sonys. It's doing almost everything I was hoped, it works with my Harmony remote, and it looks nice too.


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post #83 of 504
12/29/06 at 6:31pm
Doesn't HDMI transmit PCM over HDMI by default? If so, you'd still be getting an uncompressed audio stream (PCM) without the need for any additional hardware. You'd just need a PS3 and an HDTV directly connected to each other via HDMI, right?
post #84 of 504
12/29/06 at 6:35pm
Earz,

Wait a second! Everyone else is saying no 7.1 LPCM over HDMI, only 5.1

Are you sure?
post #85 of 504
12/29/06 at 6:38pm
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Originally Posted by Tripjammer View Post

So the best receivers for the PS3 will be the 2307 or 2807 and the pioneer if you have the space of it in your rack? Stay away from the Sony 1000?

Dont buy anything until after CES
post #86 of 504
12/29/06 at 6:43pm
Ok, on page 31 of the owners manual for the 604, it says multichannel PCM 5.1 ONLY!

Sorry, for me and the PS3, I need 7.1 LPCM
post #87 of 504
12/29/06 at 6:45pm
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Originally Posted by purduealum91 View Post

Earz,

Wait a second! Everyone else is saying no 7.1 LPCM over HDMI, only 5.1

Are you sure?

No...I am wrong...it was in all channel syereo mode....and I didn't realise that modes were allowed using PCM
I had just got it hooked up....and when I let the PS3 choose the audio modes automatically...7.1 was listed....opp's

Mines probably going back to be replaced by the Pany 700 as a stop gap instead.
post #88 of 504
12/29/06 at 6:47pm
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Originally Posted by purduealum91 View Post

Ok, on page 31 of the owners manual for the 604, it says multichannel PCM 5.1 ONLY!

Sorry, for me and the PS3, I need 7.1 LPCM

Searched for this info yesterday....and could not find it...although many had asked in the receiver section.
post #89 of 504
12/30/06 at 8:04am
Yes, on page 31 of the manual, it says multichannel linear PCM 5.1, doesn't mention 7.1 anywhere
post #90 of 504
12/30/06 at 9:37am
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Originally Posted by bfdtv View Post

I think so, since you have mini satellite speakers that aren't able to reproduce the bass from those channels.

It's possible that Sony will add bass management to the PS3 in the future, although I have not heard anything to that effect.

Actually, most satellite speaker systems that needed amplification by a receiver will first accept all 5.1 (or 6.1/7.1) audio into the subwoofer unit. The subwoofer will do the crossover cut-off and pass the rest of the audio signals to the satellites.

The only problem is that if the bass or .1 signal off the receiver is too low via the HDMI passthrough, your compensation on the subwoofer unit will affect normal Dolby Digital and DTS audio decoding, where the bass will then be overpowering/boomy.


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