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post #1 of 212
12/17/06 at 3:04pm
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This thread is dedicated to the owners of the E2000 series Sony LCD RPTV.

It is for discussion of The best settings and Service menu tweaks to get the most out of your new TV.

All other discussion about stands, picture quality can all be asked in The Official Sony E2000 series Thread located here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=687072

FAQ:

Q: Where can I find the operating Instructions for my TV?

A: Right Here

Q: What Resolution Is this TV?

A: 1280x720

Q: What is the best signal to send to my TV 1080i or 720p?

A: The best is 720p.

Q: What happens if I input a 480p or 1080i source?

A: The Tv's Scaler will take that Image and Scale it to 1280x720.

A#2: In the case of 1080i it will down convert the image from 1920x1080 to 1280x720, and for 480p it will upscale it from 720x480 to 1280x720.

Q: Should I buy and use an Upscaling DVD player?

A: If you can afford to yes, by using an upscaling dvd player you are relying on a different scaler than the one in the TV to output a signal and create a better image.

Q: Which upscaling DVD player is the best for this TV?

A: Almost everyone will agree that the Oppo 971 will be, it uses the Faroudja chipset and is region free and plays PAL dvd's !

Q: I still see black bars on my movies and my TV is 16:9 why is that?

A: Any move that uses a Scope bigger than 1:85:1 will use black bars to fit the image inside your TV, they are there to show the correct aspect ratio the movie was shot in.



NOTE: ALL SERVICE MENU ITEMS ARE DONE AT YOUR OWN RISK AND SONY NOR ANYONE ELSE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DAMAGE YOU DO TO YOUR SET.


Sony Service Manual: Host 1

How to Enter Service Menu:

[PWR OFF] - [DISP], [5], [VOL+], [PWR ON]



List of useful Information gained from the Service Menu:

Software Version:

Lamp Time:

Panel Time:
















Version .01 Updated Dec 17/06 added Sony Service Manual, Started FAQ
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post #2 of 212
12/17/06 at 3:07pm
for some reason I am not seeing it.
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post #3 of 212
12/17/06 at 3:09pm
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Place holder for more text
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post #4 of 212
12/17/06 at 3:09pm
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One more holder for even more text
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post #5 of 212
12/17/06 at 3:44pm
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Ok guys please post items you want added to the FAQ in here and start discussion on IRIS settings and what not So I can start adding those as well.

I have found a few items in the service menu which is of some information to people if they want to see them such as HDMI information for devices plugged into both HDMI ports, Panel usage time, Lamp usage time and Software version of your set.

I will start posting that info this week.

Service Manual is posted as well.
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post #6 of 212
12/17/06 at 5:20pm
good job bro
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post #7 of 212
12/17/06 at 5:28pm
I read on a different TV that it stored the last date the service menu was entered. People warned that warranties could be voided if there was no record of service for the last date the service menu was entered.

True for this TV or not?
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post #8 of 212
12/17/06 at 9:41pm
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Haven't seen anywhere where the date could be stored.
Only lamp time and panel time are recorded by this set.

You have any link to where you read the opposite?
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post #9 of 212
12/18/06 at 12:34pm
I have downloaded the service manual twice, and both Adobe Reader and another pdf reader complain that the file is corrupt; has anyone gotten it to open?

George, happy owner of a 46E2000
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post #10 of 212
12/18/06 at 1:21pm
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Originally Posted by gbynum View Post

I have downloaded the service manual twice, and both Adobe Reader and another pdf reader complain that the file is corrupt; has anyone gotten it to open?

George, happy owner of a 46E2000

I downloaded it this morning and opened the file without an issue.
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post #11 of 212
12/18/06 at 3:22pm
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Originally Posted by gbynum View Post

I have downloaded the service manual twice, and both Adobe Reader and another pdf reader complain that the file is corrupt; has anyone gotten it to open?

George, happy owner of a 46E2000


I downloaded the service manual with no problems this morning.
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post #12 of 212
12/18/06 at 4:09pm
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Originally Posted by atpat View Post

I downloaded it this morning and opened the file without an issue.


ditto.
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post #13 of 212
12/19/06 at 9:44am
I just got my 50e2000 delivered on Saturday. Have everything hooked up and running. I just ordered an HDMI cable that should be arriving tomorrow. I'm looking forward to some responses in this thread so that I can get the best picture possible.
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post #14 of 212
12/21/06 at 9:02am
I am having a heck of a time getting my DVD settings to look right. I have the 46e200 0 and an upconverting DVD player via HDMI. Could someone post their settings for DVD's? Maybe I am just expecting too much out of the HD and DVD player. It just doesnt look as good as shows that come in HD. Thanks.
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post #15 of 212
12/21/06 at 9:24am
Until I get an HDMI cable for my sony DVP-CX995V, I am using my xbox 360 to play dvds. Some seem to look amazing and others blah. I ran video essentials and then watched Toy Story and I thought the picture looked overly soft. However I hate turning up the sharpness even a little because it seemed to add alot of artifacts. However, I watched The Crow Collector's Edition and A Scanner Darkly and I thought both of those looked fantastic. I don't expect to see HD quality from dvds, but these two discs looked amazing. I am going to post some SD, DVD, HD cable, and OTA HD pics on the main thread later. I will also come back here to post my settings for the TV when I get home and get look at them.
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post #16 of 212
12/21/06 at 9:44am
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Originally Posted by thegame34 View Post

I am having a heck of a time getting my DVD settings to look right. I have the 46e200 0 and an upconverting DVD player via HDMI. Could someone post their settings for DVD's? Maybe I am just expecting too much out of the HD and DVD player. It just doesnt look as good as shows that come in HD. Thanks.

I don't expect them to look HD, but I am unhappy with my Sony upconvert dvd player that is connected via HDMI to the 46" at 720p. I read many posts on the dvd player and am wondering if I should try 480p and let the tv do the rest.
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post #17 of 212
12/21/06 at 11:32am
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Originally Posted by ElwayLite View Post

I don't expect them to look HD, but I am unhappy with my Sony upconvert dvd player that is connected via HDMI to the 46" at 720p. I read many posts on the dvd player and am wondering if I should try 480p and let the tv do the rest.

I don't have an E2000 but I did buy one for my sister-in-law and niece for Xmas. They are over-the-top happy with it.

I have a 60XS955. I only have a non-progressive Pioneer 480i DVD and feed it via component through my Denon 4800. I let the TV do the scaling to its native resolution and I think it does a great job. DVD's look excellent to me (near HD quality). The internal scaler on my set is apparently SO good that many other people reported similar results with their upscaling DVD players, the Sony fed the 480i signal via component did a better job than the scaler in their DVD player.

I don't know if the scaler in the E2000's is as good as my XS955, but if it is, try feeding 480i via component and let the TV do the work. If it does as good a job as mine, you'll like the results.
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post #18 of 212
12/21/06 at 11:45am
I surprised it looks so good with 480i. I was under the impression that if the tv scaler is better you should still use the upscale dvd player to turn the signal into 480p and send it via the hdmi cable as to avoid the analog conversion that component cables cause. To make a long story short:

Compare 480p via hdmi to the upconverted native resolution(in my case 720p) of your tv and that will tell you which is better, the tv or the player.
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post #19 of 212
12/26/06 at 4:30am
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Originally Posted by ElwayLite View Post

I surprised it looks so good with 480i. I was under the impression that if the tv scaler is better you should still use the upscale dvd player to turn the signal into 480p and send it via the hdmi cable as to avoid the analog conversion that component cables cause. To make a long story short:

Compare 480p via hdmi to the upconverted native resolution(in my case 720p) of your tv and that will tell you which is better, the tv or the player.


I will post my DVD settings for the 46E2000 either tonight or tomorrow. I have been very pleased with animated films. With live action, the picture is a bit soft but I think that has more to do with my player, a JVC combo DVD/VCR. I just don't think it is a very good player. I plan on upgrading to an upconverting player in several weeks.

Right now I am seriously looking at the Oppo 970. This player gets great reviews and has the unique ability at this price point of being able to send 480i via HDMI which the e2000 will accept. It also sends 480p and 720p. That way I can choose between letting the player do the deinterlacing and scaling (720p), let the player deinterlace and the set scale (480p) or let the set do both (480i). With this player I can keep the signal all digital which should in theory improve the picture quality and compare the three settings to see which gives me the best picture. On the main e2000 thread, a recent poster just paired their set with the Oppo. I wonder if the poster has done this comparison, or would like to and share the results. I do know that the poster is very pleased with their picture.
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post #20 of 212
12/27/06 at 2:07pm
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Originally Posted by rosh400 View Post

I will post my DVD settings for the 46E2000 either tonight or tomorrow. I have been very pleased with animated films. With live action, the picture is a bit soft but I think that has more to do with my player, a JVC combo DVD/VCR. I just don't think it is a very good player. I plan on upgrading to an upconverting player in several weeks.

Right now I am seriously looking at the Oppo 970. This player gets great reviews and has the unique ability at this price point of being able to send 480i via HDMI which the e2000 will accept. It also sends 480p and 720p. That way I can choose between letting the player do the deinterlacing and scaling (720p), let the player deinterlace and the set scale (480p) or let the set do both (480i). With this player I can keep the signal all digital which should in theory improve the picture quality and compare the three settings to see which gives me the best picture. On the main e2000 thread, a recent poster just paired their set with the Oppo. I wonder if the poster has done this comparison, or would like to and share the results. I do know that the poster is very pleased with their picture.


I run a oppo 971 to my 46e2000

the scaler in this TV is a ATi chip.

The scaler and interlacer in the oppo is the faroudja chip which is superior to the chip in the TV.

You would get a better image with the 971 vs the 970.
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post #21 of 212
1/2/07 at 8:16am
Since this thread appears to be turning more into an Upconverting DVD thread and not about settings, I'll post this here... For those of you on the Owner's Forum, this will be a duplicate.

My Current Settings:

Auto Iris 2
Picture 91
Brightness 55
Color 49
Hue 0
Warm 1 ( i notice that others have neutral or cool, but I have found that this setting allows the best color and hue when tested with DVE, and from what I have read is closest the to the 6500kw color temperature intended for home theater.)
Sharpness = 0 but (this setting does not seem to affect anything whether 0 or 100) this has puzzled me.

Advanced Settings all OFF.


I have noticed that in a couple of scenes it appears slightly washed out, but in others the blacks look amazing... perhaps the black level setting would help this... Does anyone have a good description of what these settings actually do? I have played with them, but on the scenes i have chosen, I fail to see exactly what they accomplish.
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post #22 of 212
1/6/07 at 1:22pm
no tweaks yet?
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post #23 of 212
1/9/07 at 9:42pm
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Originally Posted by Chubzilla06 View Post

no tweaks yet?


I will work on them this week and post some.

Been busy over the holidays and watching too much CES news
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post #24 of 212
1/10/07 at 7:29am
Here is my setting from DVE passed at 480i through component. I've copied these settings over to the setting for my Satellite (720p over component).

Custom
Auto 2
50
36
54
0
Warm 1
MIN
Black Corrector LOW
Gamma OFF
Clear White OFF (you can leave it on, it's ok)
Color Corrector OFF
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post #25 of 212
1/10/07 at 8:57am
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Originally Posted by Jim Clark View Post

I don't have an E2000 but I did buy one for my sister-in-law and niece for Xmas. They are over-the-top happy with it.

I have a 60XS955. I only have a non-progressive Pioneer 480i DVD and feed it via component through my Denon 4800. I let the TV do the scaling to its native resolution and I think it does a great job. DVD's look excellent to me (near HD quality). The internal scaler on my set is apparently SO good that many other people reported similar results with their upscaling DVD players, the Sony fed the 480i signal via component did a better job than the scaler in their DVD player.

I don't know if the scaler in the E2000's is as good as my XS955, but if it is, try feeding 480i via component and let the TV do the work. If it does as good a job as mine, you'll like the results.

Hollywood produced movies and DVDs like DVE are 24 FPS with two fields that come from the same instant in time(progressive). If you are feeding your TV 480i then you are interlacing what was originally progressive by nature. It is a common misconception that all DVDs are interlaced. Most are not interlaced. They have two fields from the same instant in time spread 1/24 of a second apart. A 480p 24 fps progressive image can be produced from those discs with no alteration what so ever. A 480p 60FPS image can be produced simply with inverse telecining. No de-interlacing required. Your best bet is to get a good upconverting DVD player like the Oppo and output at 720p. If you are converting the image to 480i anywhere in the process then you are destroying a lot of the detail when ever you deinterlace it to your TV's native resolution of 720p!

If you want the absolute best image then look no further than a computer. A new Core2 with the latest ffdshow will produce a 720p image that will blow away even the oppo player. I setup a friends E2000 with a Core2 and compared it to his upconverting DVD player. The difference was so great that he unplugged his DVD player and has never plugged it back in. You will never match the processing power of a Core2 in a DVD player unless they put a Core2 in that DVD player.
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post #26 of 212
1/10/07 at 8:06pm
I switched to DVI-HDMI outputting 720p on my SAT tonight. I can't tell any difference from component. Maybe a touch darker on the same settings.

I had to bump the Picture from above up a bit for some darker movies. And then I put it on the ESPN NBA game and had to bump it up more.

I'm now running Picture at 72, all other settings the same. Looks much better on all the channels, and blacks aren't crushed (you can see lapels on black suits, etc).

Really happy with the picture. It looks fantastic in a darkened room.
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post #27 of 212
1/11/07 at 5:20am
I was torn between a modified vivid and my custom settings. Shows like House ar ekind of dark and I was loosing a lot of detail in vivid(flipped back and forth with the screen frozen to see the difference).

My custom settings are(already listed vivd):
Auto Iris 1
Picture 80
Bright 48
Color 52
Hue 0
Temp Cool
Sharp 30

Black OFF
Gamma Low
White OFF
Color Low

I HOPE I'm finally close to leaving it alone. Watched Pearl Jam on MHD last night and it looked spectacular.
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post #28 of 212
1/13/07 at 4:42am
Here's a link to the page that has Chubzilla's first tweaks.

Click Me
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post #29 of 212
1/13/07 at 6:13am
Alright, following Chub's lead, here's what I messed with this morning:

Picture setting "Vivid"

Menu-DCP_USER
#1 UBOF 0 to 5
(have no idea what it is but i took it closer to it's setting on "Custom")
#4 Axis 0 to 5
Once again, no idea
#14 DCTR 2
see above

I have my "custom" setting set by AVIA, so when I was in the DCP_USER menu I would flip back and forth from custom to vivid to see the variations of the data range. Most of them do vary but I only messed with what Chub did and decided to mess with one, extra the UBOF. But once again I have no idea what that does. I wish there was a book that what these abbreviations mean in it. I'll agree with Chub in saying that now my vivid is closer to custom by not crushing blacks and it still has better color, i.e. not washed out like my custom settings.

I also had a problem with widescreen programming not have equal distance above and below the black bands so I adjusted the vertical alignment.

Menu Helios 3
#23 DVPS, set it at 15 down from 20
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post #30 of 212
1/15/07 at 6:43am
I understand that rgain, bgain and ggain will increase or decrease the color(read the A series thread) and am going to try and atlease decrease red slightly first. It seems blue might might be a little bright also. I'm wondering if I should cut the color correcter off and increase them instead of decreasing them with it on.

Also, does anyone know which service menu item I can use to increase the black slightly as opposed to using black corrector which smothers detail?
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