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Next step up from Mits HD1000U

post #1 of 22
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Assume I have no placement limitations and no issues with DLP,LCOS,LCD. How much more would I have to spend above the Mits $900 price to get a significant improvement in picture quality and what would that be? Thx
post #2 of 22
Many would say the Z5 of new Panny are a step up, DLP devotees would disagree. I haven't seen them but for double the money there's probably something there. Otherwise the obvious choice is the DarkChip3 DLPs which are $2,300ish and up and indisputably superior. A testament to the phenomemal value of the Mits

Afterthought: In fairness, for $600 more you get the Mits HC3000 which is appreciably superior (mostly due to reduced brightness and no white segment).
post #3 of 22
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Originally Posted by nightfly13 View Post

Afterthought: In fairness, for $600 more you get the Mits HC3000 which is appreciably superior (mostly due to reduced brightness and no white segment).

That would depend on who you ask, and your room and screen situation.
post #4 of 22
Based on my research I was aiming for the BenQ 8720, but it didn't fit in the budget for this purchase. Then of course at that price the 1080p projects can be had for just a little more The Mits is a great value and should hold me over until the 1080p landscape is a little clearer.
post #5 of 22
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Originally Posted by thaxx View Post

That would depend on who you ask, and your room and screen situation.

Well the only time the HD1000u would be better would be in mega-huge screens (120"+) or in ambient light situations, but I wrote what I did based on the OP, "Assume I have no placement limitations and no issues with DLP,LCOS,LCD" and I stand by it.
post #6 of 22
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Originally Posted by nightfly13 View Post

Well the only time the HD1000u would be better would be in mega-huge screens (120"+) or in ambient light situations, but I wrote what I did based on the OP, "Assume I have no placement limitations and no issues with DLP,LCOS,LCD" and I stand by it.

That's not really true either. If you open the iris on the 3000, it's nearly as bright as the 1000. You do loose one of the advantages of the 3000 then though, making it harder to justify the price difference.
post #7 of 22
I think it really depends on how you define a "significant improvement" and what source material you're talking about.
post #8 of 22
You would need to double your budget
post #9 of 22
CRT would give a significant improvement for as low as $1,500 (maybe less). The HC3000U would provide a decent improvement for $550-$600 more. I'd say a DarkChip3 DLP would be your best bet for a big step up with a digital.
post #10 of 22
Thread Starter 
I appreciate all your input. I tried to keep this as straight forward as possible hoping there was an answer that regardless of other factors there was a superior image available for X dollars more than the HD1000U.

In my case I have a very light controlled room with a 128x72 Da-lite High Power giving me a 147" diagonal and 64 sq ft of screen area to light up. I have been using the Virtuoso which I bought on an AVS "Power Buy" about 31/2 years ago.

It's been a great PJ but I think it's "dieing". I'm on the pre-buy list for the JVC RS1 but may need a replacement before it's out. For my situation a long throw, bright projector with vertical lense shift would allow me to have the PJ at the back of the room creating a good viewing cone while taking advantage of the High Power's gain. However and to be honest, I've been spoiled by the razor sharpness of DLP and its good image depth.

Any further suggestions? Thanks in advance.
post #11 of 22
For that size screen you arent going to find many other projectors that can fill a screen that big even with the high power screen. The next step up might be the upcomming Optoma HD73 which will be out soon for $2k. Darkchip2 to darkchip3 upgrade.
post #12 of 22
You should definitely audition the Mits 3000 if you can. I found it significantly more pleasing than the 1000 to my eyes, but YMMV.

Best,

Brian
post #13 of 22
I don't know where Talon above got his info that the 3000 with iris open is almost as bright as the hd1000u, seems improbable. Better yes, as bright, I'd have to see his source. Thing is, with your (rather nutso!) screen size, you want super bright. The new Panny and the HD1000u come to mind, $900 or $1900. Panny, with smoothscreen won't be 'razor sharp' like you're used to, so that's already a knock against it, along with the 110% price increase. I counsel do what the rest of us are doing, cheap bright DLP now, then higher-end, longer-term 1080p (you'll really appreciate it with your [did I mention nutso] screen in 2-3 years).

I realize the DC3s aren't really out yet, but I don't know of one that's bright enough to fill the home IMAX you've got going
post #14 of 22
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Yes, I suppose you could term that a nutso size. I started with a 100" diagonal Stewart screen and a Zenith CRT front projector in 1990. It seemed small. I saw a high gain screen at a friend's place and liked the pop. So I tried the High Power when I bought the Virtuoso which for me has been great. I just went with the largest size that would give my seating a 1.5 times the screen width (about 16 ft back). Sometimes it seems a bit too large.

Anyway, the optimal situation would be a projector that I could set at the back of the room at about 24' and 4 feet down from a 9 1/2' foot ceiling to get the full benefit of the 2.8 gain of the high power without needing digital keystone correction.

The much initially praised Mits WD2000U @ 3000 lumens was considered then dismissed because of PJ Central's low lumen measurement when optimized for home theater and the 2X color wheel.

The Mits HC-3100 looks pretty good at Cine4home's measured specs given below but lacks the lense shift necessary to optimally utilze the High Power's gain without introducing the need for digital keystone correction. And, would require the leap of faith about reliability that would be required to purchase from either a Canadian or Japanese export seller. I think the Mits is good in this regard especially compared to the reliabilty issues that so often surface with the Optomas.

HC-3100 - Measurements "D65 / 6500K "
Mode Light Low High Contrast
Iris closed 490 620 3000:1
Iris open 780 970 2300:1


I was just hoping someone would say that for X dollars more the ..... would blow away the Mits HD-1000U. But so far the HD-1000U or the HC-3100 seems to be a good compromise for brightness and contrast in the sub-$2000 price bracket if you can live with the import risk of the 3100 and the necessary digital keystone correction to utilize the gain of the High Power. Vertical lense shift would be nice though.
post #15 of 22
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Originally Posted by nightfly13 View Post

I don't know where Talon above got his info that the 3000 with iris open is almost as bright as the hd1000u, seems improbable. Better yes, as bright, I'd have to see his source. Thing is, with your (rather nutso!) screen size, you want super bright. The new Panny and the HD1000u come to mind, $900 or $1900. Panny, with smoothscreen won't be 'razor sharp' like you're used to, so that's already a knock against it, along with the 110% price increase. I counsel do what the rest of us are doing, cheap bright DLP now, then higher-end, longer-term 1080p (you'll really appreciate it with your [did I mention nutso] screen in 2-3 years).

I realize the DC3s aren't really out yet, but I don't know of one that's bright enough to fill the home IMAX you've got going

By putting both side by side with my 4805. I did do that one at a time, but they seemed to have about the same relative brightness to my 4805. Certainly not a big difference.

The review tests do not show the true brightness of the 1000u due to the white segment. Keep in mind that they make those lumen measurements with a 100IRE rectangle (bright white). On the 1000u, as you increase brilliant color, then whites increase in brightness greatly, but the rest of the images stays about the same. Certainly doesn't increase be anywhere near the same percentage as white does.

So, what you're seeing in those very high brightness measurements is partly due to brilliant color being defaulted to "3". But like I said, the overall brightness of a *colored* image is not significantly brighter than with BC set to "0".
post #16 of 22
I am new to projectors but have buth the HD1000 and the Panasonic AX100 at home right now. After a few evenings of comparison, I can say without hesitation that the AX100 is the easy winner for me so far. However, I'm still playing with the settings, trying different image modes, using different sources, and will also calibrate both with AVIA.

The HD1000 throws a very nice image -- one that I could probably be very happy with. But the AX100 just blows me away. To me, the colors are richer and more vibrant, it's brighter (even in eco mode), and the lens shift/zoom features are wonderful.

The sharpness/softness issue seems overblown w/ the AX100. I fully expected the HD1000 to be substantially sharper but I just don't see it on HDTV & DVD. The Mits is probably a little sharper but the AX100, despite the "smooth screen" technology, still produces a pleasingly sharp, detailed picture.

We'll see if any of my initial observations change as I'm able to dive a little deeper. I am not biased toward either technology or manufacturer and was really hoping that the Mits would compare well enough to save the extra $ but right now the Panasonic would be the keeper.
post #17 of 22
Thread Starter 
Stormy, how does the 3D image depth compare? Is the Mits substantially better in this regard? Thanks
post #18 of 22
Nothing about the Mits is "substantially better" to my untrained eye. I'll be looking at them more critically this week and will share my observations. I would not say that either has appeared to be significantly better than the other in terms of image depth. The two biggest surprises so far have been color (AX100 big winner) and sharpness (expected HD1000 to be significantly sharper compared to AX100).
post #19 of 22
Thread Starter 
Just wondering if you're still comparing the 2 and which one you have decided to keep and why? Thanks
post #20 of 22
i'm also very interested to see what conclusions you came up with
post #21 of 22
We had a death in the family so only now am I preparing to finish my comparison of these two projectors. I have only had the AX100 hooked up the last few weeks and in limited viewing I remain a big fan of the image it produces w/o calibration. I need to wrap this up soon and I'd be glad to report my observations here.
post #22 of 22
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Originally Posted by StormyQ View Post


The sharpness/softness issue seems overblown w/ the AX100. I fully expected the HD1000 to be substantially sharper but I just don't see it on HDTV & DVD. The Mits is probably a little sharper but the AX100, despite the "smooth screen" technology, still produces a pleasingly sharp, detailed picture.

Did you turn the Mits over scan from 97 to 100? This makes the picture a lot sharper. You need to be in 16:9 mode, not auto to do this.
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