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Like others have said don't mix and match the fronts as all the new series has significantly different tweeters (better) and are voiced differently. You can comprimise a little on surrounds. Those 532's are very nice speakers and would be a great way to get oriented with Aperion and their products. If you were thinking of upgrading in the future you could move the 532's to the rears. Best of luck to you and am anxious to hear what you have to say about the aperions.


Just curious what is your startup budget for speakers?

awesome receiver, aweseome setup, don't worry about impedance, set that receiver to 8ohms and worry about enjoying your music.
Yamaha makes quality equipment that can easily handle 6ohms. Remember you are using a sub and crossing over your sattelites so you are also decreasing the load on your receiver. This makes a big difference to..

dlenart,

Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I'm working with about 1-1.3k to buy both speakers and an amp to drive them. Obviously you can see why I want to buy used. Unfortunately, Aperion's new line is significantly more expensive than their previous line which makes it a little harder to get in the game.

The speakers I'm looking at are used 532's and an s10 woofer, all of which are in good condition. I think I might be able to get a matched center as well. I haven't pulled the trigger quite yet because I don't know exactly how much these things are worth.

Well brand new the 532's were $180 a piece and the s-10 was $499 and the 533VAC was $280 or something like that.

If you aren't sure about the deal you are getting you can give Aperion a call. They probably have some of these products in "A" stock (as new condition) and they offer 15% off the price. These products are likely returns from people upgrading, and now is a big upgrade time. I know I just turned in my 532 and 533VAC for the new stuff. The only thing i don't think they will have is an A stock s-10, those are hard to come by. However, even if you bought the entire 5.1 system plus a Bravus 8D sub your not left with much for a receiver...So if you can get some stuff cheap then go ahead, anything else you need call Aperion for A stock


Good Luck

Hi,

I'm new to the home theater speaker situation.

After some research it seems that Aperion has a very solid reputation for good speakers at a good price and their customer service appear top notch as well.

I was thinking about buying the following:

Fronts: 6T Tower
Center: 6C Center
Surround: 5D Dipole/Bipole
Subwoofer: Bravus 12D Dual Powered 12"

All of this to be powered by a Denon 3808CI.

It will eventually run to a 9G Pioneer KURO PRO151-FD.

1. Are my speakers "matched" properly?
2. How important is it to get tower speakers for the surrounds? I notice that some of the options for the surrounds are actually FRONT speakers.
3. My room is only 13x13x10 feet so I realize this is a slightly ovepowered system but I will be moving in a few years (2-3). Are speakers more "future proof" than displays? I've heard that a good set of speakers and a good AVR will always be good. Is this true?
4. Is my Denone 3808CI enough to power these speakers or should I upgrade to a 4308CI? Is that necessary?

Thanks for all/any advice!

Dennis

Why didnt I think of that

DUUUUUUUDE! That hookup is off tha hook! Are you just joking with us?
1. Yes
2. Not very important. A surrounds job isn't as tough as the front's. You could even get by with some 4B's for surrounds... I don't know much about the bipole dipole 5B's, but I am happy with my 422's as surrounds.
3. My room is 20X11 with ten foot ceilings and my meager 5B's, 5c and 422 surrounds rock it like there is no tmrw. You may have to install some seating restraints in your seating positions to handle that setup..I'm totally jealous. These new tweeters have been know to make people go deaf..Just Kidding.Those new 6 series should be world class with the new tweeters. I can't imagine you would need to look into another speaker system for the rest of your life..
4. 130 watts x 7 of quality Denon Power is more than you will ever need. Save some of that money for the Pioneer

I'm glad you are considering Aperion. I always tell people they owe it to themselves to try the Aperion experience and take advantage of the 30 day in home trial with free shipping both ways...I haven't met a person yet who hasn't loved the way their speakers sound and who hasn't thought the build quality was A+++++. Feel free to come on over to the forums on www.aperionaudio.com. Sometimes the aperion gurus get involved. It's fun over there.

Good Luck and keep us updated on that slick system.

Thanks for the reply dlenart25.

I'm a pretty big fan of statues and busts and have been selling them off to create enough money. I think the total cost of the system will be about 3800 or so and the Denon will run me about 1300 so total of 5000.

The thing I really like about Aperion is that they are so thoughtful. First of all, to be confident enough to offer free shipping both ways on 30 day trial says a lot about both the company and the merchandise they are selling.

It's kinda like your doctor giving you his/her cell phone number. Sure you'd never think of using it but the fact that he/she DID it and isn't afraid to do it says a lot about the physician.

Also, they have a 12 month zero percent interest program. 3800 isn't chump change but spread out over 12 months that comes out to little more than 316 bucks a month which is definitely doable.

Finally, the ability to upgrade to better speakers in the future and trade in the old ones for credit is an amazing offer as well.

Overall, I'm pretty convinced I'm going with Aperions. The Pioneer 151-FD won't be released till about late July, early August and I'll go for the speakers about a month after that. Hopefully there shouldn't be any problems with supply at that time.

My room is small right now but eventually I will have a much larger family room . . . maybe double that size and I want to buy speakers that will take care of my needs for the forseeable future.

Thanks again and I'll keep you updated for sure . . .

Dennis

Hey Dennis...I am green with envy on your setup. You will be very pleased, if not overwhelmed!
Few things....
1. Where are you getting the Denon for that price? I so wanted the 3808 but went with the Onkyo 805 instead. There were no deals to be had from an authorized dealer. That is a great price for that unit. However, know this, if you get it from an unauthorized dealer, you will have NO warranty.
2. About the Pioneer plasma. I have a 50" and am very happy with it. However, Pioneer just announced that they are going to begin to outsource their plasma panels. You might want to see if that will be a true Pioneer panel.
3. Another thing about the Pioneer...there is a known defect on the 50 series, and I am a victim of it. I will supply a link to another thread on this forum regarding this. While it has not been spoken of regarding the KURO, it might be good to know. I am not trying to talk you out of it. My problems with mine I can live with. Plus I have 2 1/2 years left on the extended warranty. It might be worth a read, just in case. Pioneer is sure a sweet unit, despite the issues. Here is the link: (and yes, I have read the whole thing)
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...t=764225&pp=30

Panasonics Make excellent plasma's to. But I'm sure you've done your homework on the Pioneers. I was intersted in a 720P 50" Kuro but they were too expensive when they came out, instead I went with a Panasonic 50PZ700U. Absolutely love it!

That 30 day free trial is definately legit. I called at the end of thrity days to return my 532's and 533VAC in exchange for the new series. They emailed the Fed Ex shipping labels in less than 5 minutes. Printed them out and dropped them off at fed ex the next morning.

Since the 4B's aren't out yet they let me hang onto my 422's until I recieve my 4B's in the mail. That's like an extra month of having the 422's in my home

Every Time I call them they are so happy to talk and they will stay on the phone with you as long as it takes.

I have the older 3805 and it runs my 6 series speakers without a problem. I run 4 series for surrounds and they sound great.

Not to highjack the thread, but I have the Pioneer 4270 in the bedroom, and only get the blinking blue light during severe thunderstorms. I was under the impression that power surges or variations in power levels caused the flashing blue light. I put a power conditioner on and haven't had the problem, since. Beautifull TV, I'm planning on getting a 60 for the living room.

Yep, if you're looking for Plasma, both Pioneer and Panasonic are pro's! Plush that high gloss black piano finish of the TV goes great with the Aperions:

I don't have as much time post as dlenart25 but I follow the thread and can vouch for all the praise he is giving the 5B and 5C... I too am waiting for the 4Bs to ship. Customer service is top notch too, I can be quite a nuisance but they always treat me with great respect! Other than my PS3... I would say these Aperions are coolest piece of hardware in my home (BTW I have 3 complete home theatre systems... I am running Polks in the other two.)

Well the 5B's are now back ordered until June. And I missed the last order by one!!!!!!!!

But I was able to work out a deal with them...

dlenart25... what is your take on mixing the 5B 6ohm with the 8ohm 4B? What are they saying on the Aperion thread?

Sorry, digression..

My PS/3 40GB doesn't play SACDs. I'm looking for a good SACD player... Any recommendations?

Thanks.

They are saying it isn't a big deal...

It won't be as bad since only 3 out of the 7 speakers will be 6 ohm...

Aperion said it won't matter very much at all..

Since speaker impedance isn't a constant value..

Curious, are there many 6T owners yet, and what center channel speakers are people using with them?
I am thinking about doing the trial and comparing them to some Avalon Acoustics NP Evolution towers. The biggest drawback is that I would not be able to fit the 6C speaker in the space I have. The 5C might even be a little tight, but I was wondering if anyone had any feedback on using a 5C with 6T's.
Thanks

After talking to a bunch of people over at aperion and on here I have come to the conclusion to set your receiver @ 8ohms and leave it there. I'm running a 500 series Onkyo and have had no problems whatsoever. Not a big concern.

6T are not shipping yet. The release date is 4/14. I ordered both 6T and 6C and will compare them to my 633T and 634C.

Personally i haven't tried it, but It was quite popular for owners of the old line to mix 6 series fronts with the 533VAC center. The Aperion Guru's also endorsed this. Therefore I'm thinking the same would carry over to the new line. You have the same crossover, tweeter and driver contruction. Unless you have a very large room then the 5C should be great with your 6T's.

From what I gathered from the Gurus at Aperion.. The major difference in the speakers are the tweeters.. For mid range and bass there is a difference in soundstage as Dan has reported with the 5B's..

Just wanted to give an additional nod to Aperion's customer service. I purchased a 532 system (4 532LRs and one 532C) back in early February. I decided that I really need more center channel, so I called to see if any A stock 533VACs were available. I ended up with a brand new 533VAC and a credit for my existing 532LR even though I am out of the 30 day trial period. Aperion is simply wonderful to deal with.

Thanks, I must have read somewhere further up about 6 series speakers and for some reason just assumed they had 6T's too.

I've read about the speakers being timber matched so they can be used together, so I'm thinking mixing them won't be a problem, just wanted to see if anyone had any experiences, hopefully positive with doing that.

My room isn't very big, and actually the 5C might be .4" too tall, unless there is enough clearance above the tweeter that a bar hanging down .4" from the top of the 5C won't affect the sound.

I actually might be able to remove the bar altogether, it supports the glass shelf the tv is on, but the tv isn't very heavy and there is support on the 3 other sides and 4 corners, so I'm thinking I can maybe remove that one for a little more clearance...

The Aperions have probably moved up to the top of my list right now, with decent pricing, financing available, good customer service, all that is left is to do some auditioning.

Heh, I have a similar problem with my glass TV ent stand. Atm I have a 533-VAC sitting on the shelf under the TV. The exposed entrance is only 6.5 inches tall and the 533-VAC is 7.33" tall. I have to slide the glass shelf out and dip it slightly to slide the center in.

The tweeter is closer to the side then the midrange, so what I basically decided to do was put the 533-VAC in upside down, so the tweeter is downstairs, and the midrange is on top. You also gain an 1/8th of an inch since the feet are now on the top. The bar supporting the top shelf is touching the edge of the rubber gasket of the midrange. There may be some first order reflections, but I don't think they are reaching the listening position.

Either way, I'm in the process of modding my stand. I'm going to get some shelf support brackets with felt/rubber pads, from Home depot and move both glass shelves down about 2.5." This should provide a lot of clearance, and possibly make the 634-VAC an option.

Ah, finally, someone who feels my pain. Yah, I can put pretty much anything up tp 8" on the shelf by removing the glass, it's just a matter of how much that 1 1/2" tall support bracket is going to block. I thought maybe I could remove it, but I realized the corner supports are on that bar and is what holds the two side bar supports in place, I was hoping it would be the other way around.

I think mine is going to be tougher to modify. I think I'll probably hit up someone at Aperion and see what they think, if there might be any early reflections and just how much leeway I would have on the 5C. Thanks.

NICE!

If you were thinking about ordering the 6T's you missed the boat on the piano black. They've been back ordered until 6/13/08.

Any reviews or impressions yet of the 5T? My main concern (or goal) are the clear and pronounced mids and highs. I'm getting a sub for the lows so that's not an issue. Is the main difference between the 5T and 6T just that ... the lows?

6T's probably a further projection of the soundstage into the room and a bit cleaner in the vocals. However,You would expect that in a larger driver of the same qualilty. Remember, everything about the 5T and 6T is the same, except for the size of the drivers. I think it all really comes down to how big of a space you are trying to fill and your requirments for getting the most out of your midbass...Either way, you are still getting that updated tweeter. I guess we sit and wait for the pro reviews though, no use in speculating or hypothesising .

Here is a more technical explanation on the differences in this forum:
http://www.aperionaudio.com/communit...read.aspx#6615

sounds like they tweeked the crossover on the 5T a bit differently than the 6T to get a bit more BASS out of the 5T.