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Thanks for the feedback. Just for kicks, what crossover setting are owners of the 4Bs using, since they are also "only" rated down to 100 Hz? Assuming some/many of you are crossing over at 80 Hz, do you ever hear any distortion on your 4Bs? Thanks again.

-Nick

You sell returns as "A" stock?

Ascend is watching!

All I have a Denon 2308Ci and when I ran audyssey it set my 5B's to 60Hz and my 5C to 100Hz crossover.. ??!?!?! weird.. So I went into the "Manual Setup" section and modified the values.. Do those values take effect now when audyssey is running or do I need to shut it off completely?

Afaik, unscratched returns are A stock once they've been tested. Scratched returns become B stock, which they only sell locally unless it's the last piece to finish a set.

When I ran auto setups before Aperion gurus advised me not to use them at all and to set everything myself.. It worked a lot better than the auto setup stuff, and you are able to change things with more freedom and see what works best.. It may take longer but turns out better.

I have the 5B's at 70hz and the 5C at 60hz..

Nick,

My 4B's are set to 80HZ

Thanks.

I bought my 633's last August. I guess I'm out of luck, huh?

Yep, that's what we do.

Hlee1969,

Have your 6Ts broken in? I am curious to hear your opinion of 6C? I haven't tried my 6C yet due to space constraints! Still looking for a good tv stand to hold both my av equipment (including Pana 42") and 6C.

Page 5? What, everybody's waiting for the new stock to come in?

Here's an anecdote. Just for kicks, I hooked my old 533-Ts up to the 300wpc Rotel amp I use in the basement, bypassing the Onkyo 705 amp section they usually have to make do with. They sounded approximately 37.43% better.

I too am a little surprised by the recent lack of activity on this forum. I'm looking forward to hearing some testimonials on the new 6Ts and 6C. On the Aperion website, some reviews have recently been posted on the new 6 series, and one (anonymous) reviewer gave the 6Ts and the 6C each a rating of 3. For the 6Ts, the person says he compared the 6Ts to the admittedly more expensive Vienna Acoustics Baby Grands, and the Baby Grands sounded more polished while the 6Ts had more "kinesthetic oomph" (I assume he meant kinetic). For the 6C, this person says he has been listening to it for a couple of weeks and compared it to other center speakers costing much more, and he's been satisfied (yet still only rated it a 3 ).

Don't worry about it.. Apparently that is just someone with particular tastes and comparing these speakers to much more expensive models should say something.. Doesn't know what to do with all their money..

I'm glad you added the "approximately" to your statement. I would have guessed they would have sounded exactly 43.56% better in that situation. Guess I would be wrong.

Thanks for the laugh today. I appreciate it.

Regards,

RTROSE

No reviews of the 5T yet??? whats going on?

They are a few user reviews up, but if you mean pro reviews we sold through the original shipment so quickly that there was nothing left to send out as review samples, so we are waiting for the next shipment to arrive.

CNET does have the 5Bs already and we are just waiting for them to publish the review.

Here's the link to the user reviews:

http://www.aperionaudio.com/product/...07,28,247.aspx

Recently I have been try to make a deadline for my project at work, I hardly have time to play with Aperions. Maybe this weekend I will have more time.

I checked just a few days ago and that same one (prereview??) was up. Now there's more, which is nice. I still don't know what do do though. One review of the 5T says the bass is "lacking" but I don't know what that person's "standards" are. It could be that reviewer is used to a massive sub shaking the room, which duh I wouldn't expect out of the 5T anyway. What I want is a nice bass fill with a little punch, but nothing wall shaking or rediculously loud. I wish I could try the 5Ts at a store to see their bass response "fill" before buying. I want to avoid a sub and just have two tower fronts, later will get two rear speakers also for a 4.0 system. I thought I read somewhere here that the 5Ts were wired to handle the lows too for "fill."

I think as though I get that kind of bass out of my 5B's...

So for a 5T I would imagine to be even better.

Would the extra height or interior volume of the floor standing speaker (opposed to the bookshelf) help with bass response, being new to this subject and all?

Well, that's what's nice about Aperion's return policy. Get some and put them in your room and listen to them. If they don't do the job for you, just send them back. Cost to you: Zip.

There are two main contributors to the increased bass of the 5T, first since there are two woofers as opposed to the 5B's one they are displacing more air, which makes for a richer and fuller sound. Second, each woofer in the 5T is crossed over differently so the bottom woofer handles more low freqs while the upper handles more of the highs. Since the 5B only has one woofer it can't produce as full a range of freqs as the two woofers can together. The larger cabinet size does help a bit with the fullness of the sound too.

Of course I wouldn't say the 5Ts lack bass, for a smaller tower I think it does an incredible job and it absolutely has beefier bass than the 533-T did. But having said that, if you are looking for a speaker that really has a lot of low end, that's when the 6T starts coming into the picture.

So for the 5T, would the bass response be good down to, say 40hz? What is the lower limit for the bass response that I should set my receiver to (which I don't own yet either, still deciding on one).

They will go down to 45 Hz at -6 dB, so I would cross them over at 40 or just set your receiver to full band like we do with our Onkyo 875 here at the showroom.

The 5T goes down to 55hz +/-3db. The 6T goes down to 36hz +/-3db.

You can find the specs on the Aperion Audio web site.

As for the crossover setting, you'll need to experient to see which setting sounds best in your room depending upon the speakers you chose, the electronics you select, your subwoofer and your room.

I have the 6B speakers and cross them over at 60hz most of the time - they go down to 48 hz +/- 3db as I recall. However, I do run them standalone sometimes for 2 channel listening with good results.

With the 5T I would sugest you start at 80 hz and see if that sounds good to you. With the 6T I would start at 50 hz or 60hz. But that's just one man's opinion.

I'm not going to have a sub, just two floorstanding speakers. I like the 6Ts, but they are bigger and cost more. The 5Ts seem just big/small enough for asthetics and for good sound, are priced more in my range.

No sub means no worries about crossover setting. Run as Large or Full Band as suggested by Hicks. Only you can decide if the 5T meets your bass requirement on its own. Maybe the 6B would work better for you and cost less. It is an excellent monitor/bookshelf speaker. Will give you lower bass response than the 5T. I am very happy with the 6B. However, without a sub you are missing lots of the enjoyment in the home theater experience no matter what tower you select. LFE is not fully reproduced on any tower - its a separate channel of its own, the .1 in 5.1 or 7.1 surround sound.

Here is a recommendation as a 4.0 system won't really do the job for you.

2 each 5B's for the front $450.00
2 each 4B's for surrounds $260.00
1 each 5C for center channel, $350.00
1 each S8 APR for a sub - $399.00

That's a total of $1,459 or about $500.00 more than the cost of the two 5T towers and you will have a complete system now.

Use the Aperion free financing plan to stretch the payments out for a year, about $125.00 per month.

If you still need to cut back, leave the center out for now and run a phantom center.

If you still want the towers later, use the Aperion trade up plan in a year to send the 4B's back and trade them in for the 5T's. Move the 5B's to surrround duty. Buy the 5C at the same time (if you don't already have it) and use the free finance for another year.

You've then had a very nice system for a year and you can get the speakers you seem to really want later. Aperion makes it pretty easy for you to have your cake and eat it, too.

I want to report I helped convince a fellow AVS member purchase the Aperion 4B package...

Hey Hicks I will expect my commision check in the mail..

Jim(rockarruda)