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post #1591 of 6860
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Originally Posted by ab_t View Post

Just placed the order on the Intimus 4T Hybrid, without a sub. The center is also 4C as I realized I don't have room for the 5C anyway.

Now I need the sub. I'm still open to suggestions. I started to realise that it needs to be a little bigger.

To my previous post I would add:
SVS PB10-NSD ~ 450$
HSU VTF-1 ~ 490$
HSU STF-2 ~ 380$
HSU STF-1 ~ 320$

Which one do you think will offer the best value and integration with the Intimus 4T Hybrid?
I listen to TV/ movies/ music 40/40/20, but I care mainly about music and I am not a big fan of bass.

So far the HSU STF are very appealing, price and size wise.

Congrats,
I've seen quite a few posts inquiring about the new 4T setups. Sounds like it is going to be pretty popular! Let us know how U likey!
post #1592 of 6860
Whew, this thread is on fyah!!!!! Let's do this thing, one at a time. . .

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Originally Posted by scottiemon View Post

I was wondering what was up. How the heck do they "lose" a weeks worth of conversations?

I guess the backup servers crashed too. Now all of our posts will be "lost, like tears in the rain." Bonus points if you can name that quote! Next!
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Originally Posted by Rinzen View Post

Nice review.
Im waiting for more reviews for the 4T.

Any opinions on the 4C vs 5C? looking to pair it up with the 4Ts fronts and 4Bs for surrounds.

For me I let the distance from the screen guide my decision as to what to recommend. Both are great centers but the 5C does offer more bass, fuller mids and more projection all of which come into greater play as you get further away from the screen. My general rule of thumb is that the 4C does a great job at 10 feet and under. If you are 12 feet or more away from the screen you should probably be looking at the 5C. Similarly if you are more than 15 feet away that's when the 6C starts coming into the picture. Next!

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Originally Posted by ejhuzy View Post

Ok guys, time to spend my money. I'm about to purchase some Aperions and I'm trying to decide which way to go. My room is 16' W x 18' D x 8' H. I'll be listening to 99.99% movies. I have a SMX AT screen. Here's what I've boiled my choices down to based on budget and room for speakers. Also, because I'm using a AT screen, I want my L/C/R speakers to all be the same, no special center. The room has been treated for acoustics by bpape.

I'm going 7.1 and will be using 5DB's for the sides and 4B's for the rears.

I'm trying to decide between 3 5B's or 3 4T's for the L/C/R. The other choice is which sub to buy. I've boiled it down to either a Bravus 10D or a Hsu VTF-2 MK3.

Ok, let fire the opinions

Hmmm, I still think a traditional center would be best as our centers use a vertical array orientation which creates a nice wide dispersion pattern and the 5C also has the extra 4" midrange driver which will help the clarity of movie dialog, also all of our speakers are timbre matched so that's not an issue. If you really want them all to be the same though I would go with the 4T as it does have more projection and a wider soundstage than the 5B, mids will be a fuller as well. If you go that route I would be curious to hear how it sounds with the AT, thanks! Next!


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Originally Posted by Mr.Metal View Post

I just read the CNET review of the Aperion Intimus 4T Hybrid system, which definitely sparked my interest. I'm looking for a system pretty much like this, for a 14' x 14' basement room (no windows, only one closed door), to go with my 50" plasma (TV against one wall, couch on the wall opposite). I will use it mostly for HT, though also some gaming and probably some music. I have a few questions that perhaps existing owners or someone knowledgeable can answer:

1. The dual 8" sub seems a little underpowered and only goes from 35 Hz. I'm a bass junkie, so I wanted to know what kind of performance I can expect from this 150 watt box.

2. If I were to stick to an Onkyo receiver, is there a recommended one for this setup? I'm wondering about the watts recommended to push these bad boys.

3. In case I'm underestimating the power of this setup, would it be overkill for my basement situation? I know I'd have a 30-day return policy, but I figured I'd ask

Thanks!

1. The 8D will go down to 30 Hz at -6 dB so if you bump the sub volume up adequately you will hear that frequency response. For a 14'X14' room it will have no trouble filling the space, we're talking about a class D 150 watt amp so it is mighty efficient. But if you really want to hear that 30-35 Hz region with authority then I would go with the 10.

2. Anything from the 606 up will do a great job with that system. If you really want to rock the whole neighborhood out then I would look at the 805 or the new 806.

3. We've got the 4Ts in a 15'X13' room here and I can tell you that it is not overkill at all, I think that system will rock in your room! If it were me I would go with the Bravus 8D, but that's a question of personal preference, if you really are a bass junkie then maybe you will be more satisfied with the 10D.

Who's next? Bring it on!
post #1593 of 6860
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Originally Posted by Hicks View Post

I guess the backup servers crashed too. Now all of our posts will be "lost, like tears in the rain." Bonus points if you can name that quote!

Blade Runner. I'll take my free 6Ts now, thank you.
post #1594 of 6860
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Originally Posted by Hopstretch View Post

Blade Runner. I'll take my free 6Ts now, thank you.

LOL! Check's in the mail!
post #1595 of 6860
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Originally Posted by thbrewst View Post

So, I am still on my shopping/listening expedition. I just heard some Paradigm Monitors and I really liked them. I actually liked the smaller ones (7s) better than the next step up (9s). Anyway, Aperion is also on my list. I was wondering if anyone had heard these and how they would compare them to the sound expected from the 5T?

You may have already decided, but I was just speaker shopping and checked out the Paradigms vs Aperion. I live in Portland, so Aperion's location (here), their return policy (30 day vs 7 days from the local dealer), and their awesome upgrade policy made me go with them. SQ-wise, I thought the Paradigm's were a tiny bit better but the difference was so marginal it didn't really matter. The Paradigm's had a slightly fuller sound where as the 4T/C/B setup I'm working towards was a little weaker in those larger demo rooms. Both the Aperion demo space 14x15 (I believe) and the Paradigm demo space 16x14 were bigger than my HT.

My current HT space is very small (10x10 approx) so the Aperion 4-series is amazing. And we may be moving in the next year, which means I can upgrade this set up very easily and not lose a dime. Otherwise, these would be perfect for HT in the bedroom.

As for the 5T, those were very impressive. I couldn't detect much difference between the 5 series and the comparable Paradigms. If that's your price-point/size, I think you'd be very happy with the Aperions. The 4T actually gave the 5T a run for the money...the 4Ts are amazing. But the 5C was a noticable jump in richness, power, and overall depth from the 4C. I will probably upgrade the 4C to a 5C when I get the space/cash set aside sometime next Winter. I need to upgrade my HT entertainment center first. But seriously, I was blown away by the sound of the 4T. Impressive sound for such small towers.
post #1596 of 6860
Hicks... I am so pleased with my speakers that I ended up referring a family member to you. Take care of Dave tomorrow and don't forget the banana plugs and wall mounts for the 4B and 4C. I am sure that after he gets them in his place he will expanding to 5.1 soon thereafter! Shhh, don't tell him I said that. Oh, and make sure he gets rush delivery, we will be hanging the TV and running the conduit/speaker wire on Sunday!
post #1597 of 6860
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Originally Posted by TopGun916 View Post

Hicks... I am so pleased with my speakers that I ended up referring a family member to you. Take care of Dave tomorrow and don't forget the banana plugs and wall mounts for the 4B and 4C. I am sure that after he gets them in his place he will expanding to 5.1 soon thereafter! Shhh, don't tell him I said that. Oh, and make sure he gets rush delivery, we will be hanging the TV and running the conduit/speaker wire on Sunday!


Awesome, thanks for the referral! Dave is all set up and the speakers should be arriving on Saturday, enjoy!
post #1598 of 6860
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Originally Posted by Hicks View Post

1. The 8D will go down to 30 Hz at -6 dB so if you bump the sub volume up adequately you will hear that frequency response. For a 14'X14' room it will have no trouble filling the space, we're talking about a class D 150 watt amp so it is mighty efficient. But if you really want to hear that 30-35 Hz region with authority then I would go with the 10.

2. Anything from the 606 up will do a great job with that system. If you really want to rock the whole neighborhood out then I would look at the 805 or the new 806.

3. We've got the 4Ts in a 15'X13' room here and I can tell you that it is not overkill at all, I think that system will rock in your room! If it were me I would go with the Bravus 8D, but that's a question of personal preference, if you really are a bass junkie then maybe you will be more satisfied with the 10D.

Who's next? Bring it on!

Thanks for the reply! I have to say, seeing your presence in this forum is a great purchase incentive. The fact that you guys are in Portland (I'm in Seattle) also probably implies super quick shipping times

I have one more question. I will most likely go with the 4T setup (pushing it with an Onkyo 805), but upgrade the center to a 5C. I will stick with the 8D sub per your recommendation. If, however, I decide that the sub isn't powerful enough, can I just send the sub by itself back in the 30-day window and upgrade to the 10D?

Thanks!
post #1599 of 6860
The time spent with this is already too much so I just decided to take also the Aperion sub. It might not be the best for the money, but should fit well with the rest of the system.
Plus I realized that my receiver might come just in September, and it will be the first one, so I cannot hook up the sub until then anyway.
post #1600 of 6860
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Originally Posted by Mr.Metal View Post

Thanks for the reply! I have to say, seeing your presence in this forum is a great purchase incentive. The fact that you guys are in Portland (I'm in Seattle) also probably implies super quick shipping times

I have one more question. I will most likely go with the 4T setup (pushing it with an Onkyo 805), but upgrade the center to a 5C. I will stick with the 8D sub per your recommendation. If, however, I decide that the sub isn't powerful enough, can I just send the sub by itself back in the 30-day window and upgrade to the 10D?

Thanks!

Yes you can do whatever you want during the first 30 days. Obviously we want to get it right the first time for you, but if not we'll work to get you the right sub. The subs aren't part of the trade up program though so any exchanges do have to be in within the 30 day window. You are indeed lucky to be in Seattle as turn around times will be two business days.

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Originally Posted by ab_t View Post

The time spent with this is already too much so I just decided to take also the Aperion sub. It might not be the best for the money, but should fit well with the rest of the system.
Plus I realized that my receiver might come just in September, and it will be the first one, so I cannot hook up the sub until then anyway.

Awesome, I think you will be quite pleased with the Bravus, thanks for the order!
post #1601 of 6860
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Originally Posted by ab_t View Post

The time spent with this is already too much so I just decided to take also the Aperion sub. It might not be the best for the money, but should fit well with the rest of the system.
Plus I realized that my receiver might come just in September, and it will be the first one, so I cannot hook up the sub until then anyway.

Great. I think you might be suprised by the quality of that sub considering how much care and attention they put into their speakers. I would also imagine that when designing the subs they put a great deal of time into making sure they integrated well with their speakers...Hicks, can you confirm..

Anyway, here is some cool threads about the Bravus 12D...

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums...64&mode=linear

http://forums-new.audioholics.com/fo...d.php?p=397106

I know it's not the 8D but it gives you good pictures of the drivers and some opinions. Again, what i've been hearing on the street is the Bravus's are more about quality then qauntity as other manufacturers put out more bass. But remember, were talking about a dual driver enclosed sub. without a port that's a lot of air to push. I can't wait to try one, one day.
post #1602 of 6860
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Originally Posted by dlenart25 View Post

Great. I think you might be suprised by the quality of that sub considering how much care and attention they put into their speakers. I would also imagine that when designing the subs they put a great deal of time into making sure they integrated well with their speakers...Hicks, can you confirm..

I won't lie and say that our speakers can't sound great with other brands of subs because they definitely can as there isn't a lot of tonal coloration to begin with at frequencies under 100 Hz. However, obviously the quality of the sound that the Bravus line produces is extremely complimentary to the rest of our line, and like the rest of our speakers we tried to get as accurate and flat of a frequency response as possible.

One of the bigger selling points of the Bravus subs for me is that they have natural sound reproduction, you really feel like you are listening to the sound that is being replicated rather than just low frequencies coming from a box. That's the biggest complaint I have about some subs, when they reproduce that explosion, bass tone, etc. a lot of times I can't escape the fact that I'm listening to a subwoofer and not the original sound.

And of course our subs have our visual aesthtetic as well, which is a nice bonus.
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How does the Aperion sub compare to HSU sub, which seems to be rated the best on these boards.
post #1604 of 6860
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Originally Posted by JosephD05 View Post

How does the Aperion sub compare to HSU sub, which seems to be rated the best on these boards.


Head to head comparisons are best left to those with no vested interests in either brand in my opinion, at least on a public forum. If anyone else has done a match up I'd be interested to hear about it as well.

I will say that HSU subs are indeed of high quality and competing with the likes of them and SVS was one of the motivations behind the new Bravus line.
post #1605 of 6860
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Originally Posted by JosephD05 View Post

How does the Aperion sub compare to HSU sub, which seems to be rated the best on these boards.

I'm beginning to wonder if everyone just ignores my posts. read up a couple posts and you will see this link: http://forums.audioholics.com/forums...64&mode=linear

direct comparisons between a bravus and an HSU VTF-3 Turbo. Not many more comparisons out there on the web. Like I said from what I've heard on the web is Bravu's are very clean, accurate, musical and powerful. But if you are looking for the biggest total ouput of bass then there are others.

As a matter of fact I think the poster made mention that he talked to Jason at Aperion. And there is only one Jason that I know of at Aperion

But the best part is you don't even have take our word for it. See for yourself and try one in your own home for 30 days risk free and decide for yourself.

Not everything I post is bubbly.
post #1606 of 6860
I'm sure I'll be happy with it, as for sub intensity the one that comes with the cheap Philips home theater that I have now gets enough output to wake up my neighbours, and I'm sure it's below Bravus as output at least.
As a side note, my receiver it's actually coming in a few days
post #1607 of 6860
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Originally Posted by ab_t View Post

I'm sure I'll be happy with it, as for sub intensity the one that comes with the cheap Philips home theater that I have now gets enough output to wake up my neighbours, and I'm sure it's below Bravus as output at least.
As a side note, my receiver it's actually coming in a few days

Don't forget, by completing your system with a sub you get a free Aperion SPL meter. If you would have bought a sub from someone else then no SPL Meter

When it comes to bass it's all about quality! And being a music head I'm sure you can agree. Like Jason said you don't want to hear the sub you want to hear the music.
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Originally Posted by dlenart25 View Post

I'm beginning to wonder if everyone just ignores my posts. read up a couple posts and you will see this link: http://forums.audioholics.com/forums...64&mode=linear

direct comparisons between a bravus and an HSU VTF-3 Turbo. Not many more comparisons out there on the web. Like I said from what I've heard on the web is Bravu's are very clean, accurate, musical and powerful. But if you are looking for the biggest total ouput of bass then there are others.

As a matter of fact I think the poster made mention that he talked to Jason at Aperion. And there is only one Jason that I know of at Aperion

But the best part is you don't even have take our word for it. See for yourself and try one in your own home for 30 days risk free and decide for yourself.

Not everything I post is bubbly.

Heh, well I read the post but clicking on the link was just too much work!

Just kidding, yeah now I remember that thread, thanks for posting it Dan, Gimpy Ric is a good guy too.
post #1609 of 6860
That link doesn't work ....
Btw, my 30 day trial starts when I get the subwoofer right? (I bought it 1 or 2 days after the rest of the system)
post #1610 of 6860
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Originally Posted by ab_t View Post

That link doesn't work ....
Btw, my 30 day trial starts when I get the subwoofer right? (I bought it 1 or 2 days after the rest of the system)

The link in Dan's original post works. If the sub was part of the same order as the rest of the system then yes the 30 day trial starts when you get the last piece. If the sub was an entirely separate order then technically your 30 day trial for your other speakers will begin when you get them and then you would have a separate trial for the sub.

We're fairly flexible though if some special situation arises just give us a call.
post #1611 of 6860
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Originally Posted by Hicks View Post

The link in Dan's original post works. If the sub was part of the same order as the rest of the system then yes the 30 day trial starts when you get the last piece. If the sub was an entirely separate order then technically your 30 day trial for your other speakers will begin when you get them and then you would have a separate trial for the sub.

We're fairly flexible though if some special situation arises just give us a call.


I have a special situation. I want to upgrade to a pair of towers but the WAF doesn't think I need to. How should I resolve this issue?
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I'm pretty much a newbie to the HT scene, after renovating an 11 X 15 room and replacing my 15 year old TV. Because of the very limited space and generally good reviews, I went with the Orb speakers and am generally happy with them. At the same time, I realize there are limitations to having single 3" drivers, as used in the Orbs. I know it's generally not recommended to mix brands because of timbre issues but I wonder if I could improve my set up by substituting the center channel speaker with an Intimus 4 or 5 center. I expect the Aperions would produce greater depth when listening to dialogue. If anyone has any thoughts or real life experience, it would help me decide. As I'm in Canada, it's more of a hassle to order / return anything to the US, so I'd rather just get it "right".
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I have been at there web site ting to figure out what I need to get the best home theater sound with out spending to much. I looked at getting both 5'ts and 6'ts for the front with a 5c center and a 10d sub. From what I was reading the 4t's would make for some good surrounds or maybe they would be good enough for the fronts I don't relay no. The new 6t had some great reviews it seems but it may put me over my budget for a whole system.

Hear is a drawing of the room it is big but the listening area is not to big.
LL
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Originally Posted by revise View Post

I have been at there web site ting to figure out what I need to get the best home theater sound with out spending to much. I looked at getting both 5'ts and 6'ts for the front with a 5c center and a 10d sub. From what I was reading the 4t's would make for some good surrounds or maybe they would be good enough for the fronts I don't relay no. The new 6t had some great reviews it seems but it may put me over my budget for a whole system.

Hear is a drawing of the room it is big but the listening area is not to big.

5T's, 5B's, 5C and 10D
post #1616 of 6860
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Originally Posted by revise View Post

I have been at there web site ting to figure out what I need to get the best home theater sound with out spending to much. I looked at getting both 5'ts and 6'ts for the front with a 5c center and a 10d sub. From what I was reading the 4t's would make for some good surrounds or maybe they would be good enough for the fronts I don't relay no. The new 6t had some great reviews it seems but it may put me over my budget for a whole system.

Hear is a drawing of the room it is big but the listening area is not to big.

Greetings revise,

Do you plan on doing a lot of critical music listening in your HT room? If so, I think going with a bit larger tower like the 5T or 6T would definitely be worth your while. Whilst listening to music, especially 2 channel stereo, those towers are going to be doing a majority of the work (plus a subwoofer) so having a tower like the 6T will give you deeper, musical bass, and will also add a richer, fuller midrange. For music this is key as midrange is where most instrumentation lies. Also you have a bit larger room so a bigger tower will do a better job at filling it up and exciting your room a bit more.

The 4T's are great as surrounds. Small, svelte, with a great sound from such a small tower. You would really notice what these speakers could do if you were listening to multi channel music...SACD's, DVD Audio, Multi channel stereo, etc...They are superb as fronts too, so if you are not doing a lot of 2 channel music listening I would suggest either the 5T or 4T for your fronts. I think you would have great results...

Hope this helped!
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Originally Posted by notlightbulb View Post

I'm pretty much a newbie to the HT scene, after renovating an 11 X 15 room and replacing my 15 year old TV. Because of the very limited space and generally good reviews, I went with the Orb speakers and am generally happy with them. At the same time, I realize there are limitations to having single 3" drivers, as used in the Orbs. I know it's generally not recommended to mix brands because of timbre issues but I wonder if I could improve my set up by substituting the center channel speaker with an Intimus 4 or 5 center. I expect the Aperions would produce greater depth when listening to dialogue. If anyone has any thoughts or real life experience, it would help me decide. As I'm in Canada, it's more of a hassle to order / return anything to the US, so I'd rather just get it "right".

Hey there,

Hard to say how our center is going to sound with your Orbs as your room is going to play a large role in how those speakers end up sounding together. I do know that most folks think the Orbs sound a bit brighter than ours so there may be a significant mismatch there.

Of course you could always start with our center and hopefully you would be so blown away with it that you would want to replace your fronts with our speakers as well.
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I am building a HT system. I had a 22 yo Sony sytem that sounded like it was under water and sprang for an Onkyo 805. This made the speakers - old Sony boxes SS-U570's sound much better but I need to dump these and build a decent HT system. I have a 19' x 21' room with cathedral ceiling and a staircase running up the long wall so it is a 16 by 21 ft area. "we" decided that the speakers need to be off the floor so this makes me consider the 6B's for the fronts. I am starting there and then will sneak in a center - 5C - and then would like to go with a sub and 2 surrounds. My question is can the 6Bs be wall mounted as such - 7 feet high. I did a quick drawing and they will be between about 50 degrees apart from my chair . How far from the wall do they need to be while mounted? I want to be sure to get the correct mounts to let the rear port do there thing - and can one be mounted on a side wall? My other choice is to get the 5Bs and sneak then into the shelf to the left of tthe tv and one on top of the stereo cabinet on the right - about 6 feet apart.
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Originally Posted by tpross View Post

I am building a HT system. I had a 22 yo Sony sytem that sounded like it was under water and sprang for an Onkyo 805. This made the speakers - old Sony boxes SS-U570's sound much better but I need to dump these and build a decent HT system. I have a 19' x 21' room with cathedral ceiling and a staircase running up the long wall so it is a 16 by 21 ft area. "we" decided that the speakers need to be off the floor so this makes me consider the 6B's for the fronts. I am starting there and then will sneak in a center - 5C - and then would like to go with a sub and 2 surrounds. My question is can the 6Bs be wall mounted as such - 7 feet high. I did a quick drawing and they will be between about 50 degrees apart from my chair . How far from the wall do they need to be while mounted? I want to be sure to get the correct mounts to let the rear port do there thing - and can one be mounted on a side wall? My other choice is to get the 5Bs and sneak then into the shelf to the left of tthe tv and one on top of the stereo cabinet on the right - about 6 feet apart.


We don't recommend wall mounting the 6Bs for a couple of reasons: first, the speaker has a lot of bass for a bookshelf so you want to give that back port plenty of room to breathe, at least a foot is ideal. If you are going to put the speaker on a mount you will probably want to plug the port to keep it from sounding muddy.

Second, the 6Bs are really heavy and at a height of seven feet you will have to tilt the speaker down at an angle that will cause the speaker to slide out of the mount and come crashing to the floor. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow but it is highly likely that it would happen eventually if you use the BT77 mount that high up. So, in your situation it sounds like the 5B will be a much better option.
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Originally Posted by Hicks View Post

We don't recommend wall mounting the 6Bs for a couple of reasons: first, the speaker has a lot of bass for a bookshelf so you want to give that back port plenty of room to breathe, at least a foot is ideal. If you are going to put the speaker on a mount you will probably want to plug the port to keep it from sounding muddy.

Second, the 6Bs are really heavy and at a height of seven feet you will have to tilt the speaker down at an angle that will cause the speaker to slide out of the mount and come crashing to the floor. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow but it is highly likely that it would happen eventually if you use the BT77 mount that high up. So, in your situation it sounds like the 5B will be a much better option.


Jason - I have my 6B's on a shelf with the backs almost flush to the wall. A foot of room behind them is not possible, I could do 5-6 inches by angling slightly. What's the upside and what if any effect will plugging the port have? By the way, I have had these for 3 months and can't believe how good they sound, is an improvement possible?
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