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post #3241 of 6528
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Originally Posted by Browninggold View Post

optivity- For movies I have them set too small and let the sub handle the bass. For music I listen to the 6Ts as large (90%) of the time. The Denon 3808ci lets you set each individual speaker, I used Audyssey and it set my xovers @ 40 for the 6Ts and 60 xover for the other speakers. I would experiment with xovers anywhere from 40 to 80 xover and small setting for ht-music just run as large.

Thanks Browninggold.

Unfortunately, Pioneer's SC-07 supports only (1) global crossover setting (from 50 Hz - 200 Hz) at a time.

Generally for HT I have the 6Ts set to small with the crossover @ 80 Hz.

For 2 channel music it makes sense to set the 6Ts to large w/crossover @ 50 Hz, which is the lowest setting supported by my SC-07.

BTW... does anyone (other than Mr. Hicks ) participate in Aperion's Forums?

I get a kick out of the posts over there because many reference AVSF. Aperion should be happy w/all the free advertising they receive here. AVS is where I first discovered this company & ultimately purchased a 7.1 speaker package from.
post #3242 of 6528
Yes I go to the Aperion forums. I post about movies worth watching and movies you should not watch because they are so crappy.

Here's one to watch Crank 2.
post #3243 of 6528
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Originally Posted by optivity View Post

Thanks Browninggold.

Unfortunately, Pioneer's SC-07 supports only (1) global crossover setting (from 50 Hz - 200 Hz) at a time.

Generally for HT I have the 6Ts set to small with the crossover @ 80 Hz.

For 2 channel music it makes sense to set the 6Ts to large w/crossover @ 50 Hz, which is the lowest setting supported by my SC-07.

BTW... does anyone (other than Mr. Hicks ) participate in Aperion's Forums?

I get a kick out of the posts over there because many reference AVSF. Aperion should be happy w/all the free advertising they receive here. AVS is where I first discovered this company & ultimately purchased a 7.1 speaker package from.

Yeah, I still read and participate over there. In fact I just replied to someone commenting about lack of activity. It does come and go and I suspect over the long haul a lot of people drop out and a lot of new people come in. There has been a lot of great threads over there in the past couple of years. Many of the best were the result of the Aperion staff clowns, err I mean customer service staff!

Cheers
post #3244 of 6528
Yeah....remember the "stache contest"....
Which makes me think....whatever happened to Davey Gravey?
post #3245 of 6528
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Originally Posted by scottiemon View Post

Yeah....remember the "stache contest"....
Which makes me think....whatever happened to Davey Gravey?

I remember that one, neither could hold a candle my salt and pepper upper lip! Actually not much pepper left in there.

Don't know about Davey, I am sure he had a calling.

Cheers
post #3246 of 6528
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Originally Posted by scottiemon View Post

Yeah....remember the "stache contest"....
Which makes me think....whatever happened to Davey Gravey?

Sadly for us, but happily for him, David moved to LA to become a rock star.

You can check out his music here:

http://www.myspace.com/thedeltamirror
post #3247 of 6528
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Originally Posted by Hicks View Post

Sadly for us, but happily for him, David moved to LA to become a rock star.

You can check out his music here:

http://www.myspace.com/thedeltamirror

I wondered what happened to Davey. What's funny is, if you go to the Aperion website and click on "Community", there's still a picture of him (looking deceivingly professional, by the way). And yes, I still participate in the Aperion forums as well (I'm "nbuchen" over there).
post #3248 of 6528
Well my 6T's, 6C and 10D sub is ordered!!!!
Matching it up with speakercraft in-ceilings that was ordered separately.

Can't wait to test these out. Finally hooked up my receiver last weekend and my old HK HKTS10 - HTIB - speakers sounded great compared to before. Now adding great speakers should just make a world of difference.

kind of nerveracking since I haven't listened to them etc and shipping to AK is a tad expensive (Aperion is picking up a part I am picking up the rest). I decided against Axiom, JTR's, Paradigm and B&W - thinking I will be very happy with the result

Thanks Jason for the help!
post #3249 of 6528
Alright - my order came in yesterday and got everything set up! The unboxing took quite a bit longer than I expected...the bags are a nice touch though Ended up with:

Fronts: 5Ts
Center: 5C
Surrounds: 4BPs
Sub: 8D (backordered)

I'm running everything through an Onkyo 607 in a 19x21x8 room. I ran Audyssey last night and these are the settings it gave me:

Front: Full Band
Center: 80Hz
Surrounds: 120Hz (Changed it to 80Hz myself)

Tested out Black Hawk Down on Blu-Ray last night and was...impressed, but not as much as I thought I would be. First - to get enough volume from the speakers I had to turn the receiver up to 60 (max 80). After listening to some music 50 was good enough for that. 40-50 seems to be good for Directv. Now to be honest I can't pinpoint what I wasn't overly impressed about...the sound was good but I felt that I had to have it up pretty loud before noticing the subtle details.

I have a PS3 outputting multichannel LPCM so I'm fairly certain I have the right settings on the PS3 selected. Overall the movie soundtrack was pretty good (part when the Blackhawk is firing the minigun and the casings are raining down on Josh Hartnett's character was amazing) but I feel like I'm just missing a setting somewhere.

Same thing on the music...I could get it 'loud', but I just didn't feel completely enthralled by the experience. Maybe due to the source material I chose (256kbps MP3s)...anyone have any Blu-Ray/DVD concert recommendations? I suppose it's also possible due to the fact that I don't have a sub yet (should by next Friday). Anyone have any other ideas for tweaking settings?
post #3250 of 6528
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Originally Posted by jasondazed View Post

Alright - my order came in yesterday and got everything set up! The unboxing took quite a bit longer than I expected...the bags are a nice touch though Ended up with:

Fronts: 5Ts
Center: 5C
Surrounds: 4BPs
Sub: 8D (backordered)

I'm running everything through an Onkyo 607 in a 19x21x8 room. I ran Audyssey last night and these are the settings it gave me:

Front: Full Band
Center: 80Hz
Surrounds: 120Hz (Changed it to 80Hz myself)

Tested out Black Hawk Down on Blu-Ray last night and was...impressed, but not as much as I thought I would be. First - to get enough volume from the speakers I had to turn the receiver up to 60 (max 80). After listening to some music 50 was good enough for that. 40-50 seems to be good for Directv. Now to be honest I can't pinpoint what I wasn't overly impressed about...the sound was good but I felt that I had to have it up pretty loud before noticing the subtle details.

I have a PS3 outputting multichannel LPCM so I'm fairly certain I have the right settings on the PS3 selected. Overall the movie soundtrack was pretty good (part when the Blackhawk is firing the minigun and the casings are raining down on Josh Hartnett's character was amazing) but I feel like I'm just missing a setting somewhere.

Same thing on the music...I could get it 'loud', but I just didn't feel completely enthralled by the experience. Maybe due to the source material I chose (256kbps MP3s)...anyone have any Blu-Ray/DVD concert recommendations? I suppose it's also possible due to the fact that I don't have a sub yet (should by next Friday). Anyone have any other ideas for tweaking settings?

My experience with Aperion speakers is that they definitely need a break in to sound their best. I put a dynamic CD in (Days of the New), set it to replay mode, then put some good volume to it and went outside to work. I came in every couple of hours. Every time I came in I stayed to listen a little longer. At the end of the day, 10 hrs. they had definitely opened up. This continued for some time.

Check the levels that Audyssey set for the speakers. It has been known to set them low which means you have to crank up the knob. I drive my 4Ts with an old Onkyo 503, only 75 W per and it goes way to loud in a similar room. Of course it does not have Audyssey.

Cheers
post #3251 of 6528
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Originally Posted by jasondazed View Post

...but I feel like I'm just missing a setting somewhere.

I think Aperion still does the free SPL meter with a purchase of a full system. When you get that you could run a manual calibration. Personally, I've never completely trusted things like Audyssey or MCACC.
post #3252 of 6528
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Originally Posted by Pitch Shift View Post

I think Aperion still does the free SPL meter with a purchase of a full system. When you get that you could run a manual calibration. Personally, I've never completely trusted things like Audyssey or MCACC.

Exactly what I was going to say, you'll get a more accurate calibration with an SPL meter. If you use the 80 setting for range then you shouldn't have to crank the master volume as loud once you get the channel levels set.
post #3253 of 6528
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Originally Posted by jasondazed View Post

Alright - my order came in yesterday and got everything set up! The unboxing took quite a bit longer than I expected...the bags are a nice touch though Ended up with:

Fronts: 5Ts
Center: 5C
Surrounds: 4BPs
Sub: 8D (backordered)

I'm running everything through an Onkyo 607 in a 19x21x8 room. I ran Audyssey last night and these are the settings it gave me:

Front: Full Band
Center: 80Hz
Surrounds: 120Hz (Changed it to 80Hz myself)

Tested out Black Hawk Down on Blu-Ray last night and was...impressed, but not as much as I thought I would be. First - to get enough volume from the speakers I had to turn the receiver up to 60 (max 80). After listening to some music 50 was good enough for that. 40-50 seems to be good for Directv. Now to be honest I can't pinpoint what I wasn't overly impressed about...the sound was good but I felt that I had to have it up pretty loud before noticing the subtle details.

I have a PS3 outputting multichannel LPCM so I'm fairly certain I have the right settings on the PS3 selected. Overall the movie soundtrack was pretty good (part when the Blackhawk is firing the minigun and the casings are raining down on Josh Hartnett's character was amazing) but I feel like I'm just missing a setting somewhere.

Same thing on the music...I could get it 'loud', but I just didn't feel completely enthralled by the experience. Maybe due to the source material I chose (256kbps MP3s)...anyone have any Blu-Ray/DVD concert recommendations? I suppose it's also possible due to the fact that I don't have a sub yet (should by next Friday). Anyone have any other ideas for tweaking settings?

jasondazed, Audyssey is a pretty amazing tool when implemented correctly. For example, when you get your subwoofer you will want to set all of your other speakers (including the 5T's) to "small" even if Audyssey sets them to large. Also, you typically would not want to lower a crossover point set by Audyssey (although it is OK to raise it). You may want to take a look at the Audyssey setup guide located at http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post14456895 as well as the "All About Audyssey" portion of batpig's Denon setup guide (the Audyssey part would be applicable to any brand of AVR; http://batpigworld.com/audyssey.html). I have the same fronts you do (4B for surround and a larger sub) and am amazed at how good the Aperions sound, particularly the 5T's. My system sounds far superior using the Audyssey settings than it does when I defeat them or try to manually calibrate using an SPL meter.

Finally, don't be alarmed about having to turn the volume knob up further than you are used to after an Audyssey calibration. Audyssely sets "zero" to a specific reference level and it is not uncommon at all to listen to many sources just below that level. It depends on the source, your room, and your preferences. I find that when listening to Blu-ray discs on my Denon, I am maybe 10db below reference most of the time and I don't even listen THAT loudly. On some cable stations I am even at or above reference level at times, due mainly to the lousy and inconsistent mastering of the television programming.
post #3254 of 6528
Thanks for the replies all. I do have the SPL meter from Aperion but I didn't get a chance to do a manual calibration last night due to how late I got done setting everything up. Just trying to solicit some ideas to try when I go home from work today. I'll run a manual calibration and see how it sounds after that. As far as levels that Audyssey set...

Fronts: -2 dB
Center: -6 dB
Surrounds: -1 dB (changed to +1)

I'm going to put something on and try to get them broken in this weekend. Also I think it'll sound a little more complete once I get the sub and can take the fronts off of Full Band.
post #3255 of 6528
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Originally Posted by BeckMule View Post

Finally, don't be alarmed about having to turn the volume knob up further than you are used to after an Audyssey calibration. Audyssely sets "zero" to a specific reference level and it is not uncommon at all to listen to many sources just below that level. It depends on the source, your room, and your preferences. I find that when listening to Blu-ray discs on my Denon, I am maybe 10db below reference most of the time and I don't even listen THAT loudly. On some cable stations I am even at or above reference level at times, due mainly to the lousy and inconsistent mastering of the television programming.

In addition to the above, also realize that any Audyssey Dynamic Volume settings (if you have them on your receiver) may affect the volume level. I find that as I increase the Dynamic Volume aggressiveness (Day->Evening->Midnight), I like to crank the volume another 5dB or so to get the dialogue back to the same level, while the loud sound effects are brought down closer to the dialogue level. For instance, DV on Day setting I like -20 (which is the relative equivalent of your 60 given 80 max), but -15 when I switch to evening.

Another thing is that the PS3 volume for games vs. movies is completely different, so if you set a source level offset based on games audio level, it may be low when you play movies. (I play games on my PS3 around -30 to -35, but movies at -15 to -20 usually).

Lastly, make sure you had the HD soundtrack selected as many Blu-rays default to the Dolby Digital version because the Aperions will really let you hear all nuances the HD sound adds. You can check by bring up the info while playing a disc and looking at the sound format in the top-right.
post #3256 of 6528
I got my Aperions a couple of days ago and have noticed improved sound quality each day that i have listened to them... The 5Ts sound amazing in stereo set to large, sub off. My room is 20x18. I am loving them so much that I am curious as to how much better the 6Ts may have sounded. Running through a Denon AVR-990 right now. This weekend I am going to play around with speaker placement and actually calibrate everything. I haven't even run Audyssey yet or used the SPL. Just set the distances myself and no offsets. My music listening has gone WAY up this week
post #3257 of 6528
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Originally Posted by RedCamaroZSS View Post

I got my Aperions a couple of days ago and have noticed improved sound quality each day that i have listened to them... The 5Ts sound amazing in stereo set to large, sub off. My room is 20x18. I am loving them so much that I am curious as to how much better the 6Ts may have sounded. Running through a Denon AVR-990 right now. This weekend I am going to play around with speaker placement and actually calibrate everything. I haven't even run Audyssey yet or used the SPL. Just set the distances myself and no offsets. My music listening has gone WAY up this week

Nice glad to hear you are enjoying them, I think if everybody listened to more music and watched less TV the world would be a better place.
post #3258 of 6528
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Originally Posted by sticks1839 View Post

Lastly, make sure you had the HD soundtrack selected as many Blu-rays default to the Dolby Digital version because the Aperions will really let you hear all nuances the HD sound adds. You can check by bring up the info while playing a disc and looking at the sound format in the top-right.

That did it! I knew I was missing something fairly simple...the default track for the Black Hawk Down blu-ray is standard DD @ 640kbps...switched it to LPCM @ 4.5 Mbps and it made an immediate difference. I'll have to check out what the problem is with music but this definitely helped with blu-rays Thanks!
post #3259 of 6528
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Originally Posted by jasondazed View Post

..anyone have any Blu-Ray/DVD concert recommendations? I suppose it's also possible due to the fact that I don't have a sub yet (should by next Friday). Anyone have any other ideas for tweaking settings?

Once you get your 8D and your settings tweeked with the SPL. Trying throwing this in the PS3 and let me know what you think.

http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Diana_K...sonid=20014679
post #3260 of 6528
hi all.

I'm thinking about buying some Aperion speakers based on the reviews I've read and the comments people have left. Seem like they're really great speakers.

My room is about 17' long and 14' wide. Ceilings are 9'. The listening position will be about 15' from the speakers. I have an Onkyo TX-SR705 and have an existing Boston Acoustics XB4. We primarily watch movies and HD TV but sometimes listen to music. I'd say the split is 90/10.

If I'm understanding the comments correctly, given the distance from the speakers and the fact that we watch movies/TV so much, the 6C might be the best option for the center speaker. How will that work with the 5T speakers? Will it overwhelm them? Would the 6T speakers be overkill for a room this size?

It'll be a 5.1 system. The house has pre-existing wiring in the top rear corners of the room - so basically about 6-8" behind the couch and right at the ceiling, so about 8-9' high. Will the 5DB speakers work ok here? Would bookshelf speakers be ok or better? There are also already mounting screws there. Are there measurements somewhere for the mounting brackets that come with the speakers to see if I might be able to re-use those screws?

Finally, I see lots of talk about crossover between the speakers and the subwoofer. I don't quite understand all of that so would be great if someone could point to some well-written guidance there. Do you know if my current sub will be able to keep up with the 5T or 6Ts?

Thanks very much for your help!

David.
post #3261 of 6528
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Originally Posted by dstrome View Post

hi all.

I'm thinking about buying some Aperion speakers based on the reviews I've read and the comments people have left. Seem like they're really great speakers.

My room is about 17' long and 14' wide. Ceilings are 9'. The listening position will be about 15' from the speakers. I have an Onkyo TX-SR705 and have an existing Boston Acoustics XB4. We primarily watch movies and HD TV but sometimes listen to music. I'd say the split is 90/10.

If I'm understanding the comments correctly, given the distance from the speakers and the fact that we watch movies/TV so much, the 6C might be the best option for the center speaker. How will that work with the 5T speakers? Will it overwhelm them? Would the 6T speakers be overkill for a room this size?

It'll be a 5.1 system. The house has pre-existing wiring in the top rear corners of the room - so basically about 6-8" behind the couch and right at the ceiling, so about 8-9' high. Will the 5DB speakers work ok here? Would bookshelf speakers be ok or better? There are also already mounting screws there. Are there measurements somewhere for the mounting brackets that come with the speakers to see if I might be able to re-use those screws?

Finally, I see lots of talk about crossover between the speakers and the subwoofer. I don't quite understand all of that so would be great if someone could point to some well-written guidance there. Do you know if my current sub will be able to keep up with the 5T or 6Ts?

Thanks very much for your help!

David.

Hello David and welcome to the forum,

The 5C still does a good job at 15 feet, for me that's really a borderline distance where you are on the line between the two speakers.

That said the 6C definitely is a considerable step up over the 5C with more clarity, bass and projection. If you do go for the 6C, when you calibrate your system the relative volumes of each speaker will be the same from your sitting position so the 6C shouldn't overwhelm the 5Ts.

In a room of your size for only 10% music I would say the 6Ts would kind of be overkill, you should be fine with the 5Ts.

I would not recommend putting the 5DBs in a corner as you will likely be shooting sound right into the corner from one set of drivers which will probably give you a muddy/unclear sound. The mounting plate that comes with the DBs is 5"H X 3.5"W, however it sounds to me like you will be better off with either the 4B or 5B as your surrounds.

We always recommend that you crossover the sub at 80. For the fronts I suggest you experiment with range of settings between 40 and 80, although there are those who say that you should always cross over your fronts at 80 when you have a sub.

Looking at the specs on that sub, you may want to upgrade it as it only has an 85 watt amp and it appears to only go down to 38 Hz. But I'd try it with our speakers and if it doesn't work out you can always get one of our subs in a subsequent order.

Hope that helps, thanks!
post #3262 of 6528
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Originally Posted by Hicks View Post

Hello David and welcome to the forum,

The 5C still does a good job at 15 feet, for me that's really a borderline distance where you are on the line between the two speakers.

That said the 6C definitely is a considerable step up over the 5C with more clarity, bass and projection. If you do go for the 6C, when you calibrate your system the relative volumes of each speaker will be the same from your sitting position so the 6C shouldn't overwhelm the 5Ts.

In a room of your size for only 10% music I would say the 6Ts would kind of be overkill, you should be fine with the 5Ts.

I would not recommend putting the 5DBs in a corner as you will likely be shooting sound right into the corner from one set of drivers which will probably give you a muddy/unclear sound. The mounting plate that comes with the DBs is 5"H X 3.5"W, however it sounds to me like you will be better off with either the 4B or 5B as your surrounds.

We always recommend that you crossover the sub at 80. For the fronts I suggest you experiment with range of settings between 40 and 80, although there are those who say that you should always cross over your fronts at 80 when you have a sub.

Looking at the specs on that sub, you may want to upgrade it as it only has an 85 watt amp and it appears to only go down to 38 Hz. But I'd try it with our speakers and if it doesn't work out you can always get one of our subs in a subsequent order.

Hope that helps, thanks!

Thanks very much and good talking to you on the phone, Jason. Really looking forward to having some new speakers from this decade (even though it's almost over)

David.
post #3263 of 6528
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Originally Posted by dstrome View Post

Thanks very much and good talking to you on the phone, Jason. Really looking forward to having some new speakers from this decade (even though it's almost over)

David.


My pleasure, enjoy!

Off topic a bit, but how come nobody is talking about the end of the decade?

Even the end of the '80s were a bigger deal. Perhaps we'd all just like to forget the '00s ever happened?
post #3264 of 6528
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Originally Posted by Hicks View Post

My pleasure, enjoy!

Off topic a bit, but how come nobody is talking about the end of the decade?

Even the end of the '80s were a bigger deal. Perhaps we'd all just like to forget the '00s ever happened?

Cause I'm still living in the nineties, this way I don't grow older!
post #3265 of 6528
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Originally Posted by Hicks View Post

My pleasure, enjoy!

Off topic a bit, but how come nobody is talking about the end of the decade?

Because, like when the commencement of the current millennium approached, most people assume the current decade still has another year in it!
post #3266 of 6528
fyi...found a potential deal on a 6C at the Emotiva forums:

http://emotivalounge.proboards.com/i...ay&thread=6739

*I make NO claim to know the poster, nor can I vouch for the deal. Proceed at your own risk. Just wanted to make you aware.*
post #3267 of 6528
My guess would be that a Center channel with a few scratches would be at or less than $500 from Aperion direct. Then shipping would also be free so thinking that deal isn't that great...

Separately - got my speakers yesterday!!!!!

Took me awhile to carry the boxes down to the basement (advice get help and don't do what I did....they are heavy)

First impression - the 6T's and the 6C are gorgeous!!!! Very sweet looking

Took me awhile to set everything up and run the setup for the SC-07 so when it was all said and done I only played two songs (One and Miss Sarajevo both by U2). The sound was great. The voices were extremely clear. Now I expect to improve things a bit when I do a more proper MCACC setup (couldn't get the mic to the right spot due to short cable etc)

I can't wait to see how these speakers are going to make my movies sound but that is for later tonight. I also don't have the subwoofer (10D) hooked up yet and very anxious to hear that.

So far happy - hoping to get some more out of it, but sure that will come down the road

Thanks Jason!!!
post #3268 of 6528
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Originally Posted by mhdiab View Post

My guess would be that a Center channel with a few scratches would be at or less than $500 from Aperion direct. Then shipping would also be free so thinking that deal isn't that great...

Separately - got my speakers yesterday!!!!!

Took me awhile to carry the boxes down to the basement (advice get help and don't do what I did....they are heavy)

First impression - the 6T's and the 6C are gorgeous!!!! Very sweet looking

Took me awhile to set everything up and run the setup for the SC-07 so when it was all said and done I only played two songs (One and Miss Sarajevo both by U2). The sound was great. The voices were extremely clear. Now I expect to improve things a bit when I do a more proper MCACC setup (couldn't get the mic to the right spot due to short cable etc)

I can't wait to see how these speakers are going to make my movies sound but that is for later tonight. I also don't have the subwoofer (10D) hooked up yet and very anxious to hear that.

So far happy - hoping to get some more out of it, but sure that will come down the road

Thanks Jason!!!

Awesome, thanks for posting the initial impressions and glad to hear they made it to Alaska safely!
post #3269 of 6528
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Originally Posted by Hicks View Post

Awesome, thanks for posting the initial impressions and glad to hear they made it to Alaska safely!

Yeah me too!!! I took some pictures of the boxes before I opened them since they had some tears etc and I was very concerned. Looks good though. Need to re-inspect for sratches.

The only issue I could tell from last night was that the one binding post is really not holding the banana plug at all. All the others are pretty tight and provides some resistance except for that one. Everything seems screwed into place properly -- any advice?

Now I do have to call Fedex and ask them about their service because they were not very nice but not your issue
post #3270 of 6528
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Originally Posted by mhdiab View Post

Yeah me too!!! I took some pictures of the boxes before I opened them since they had some tears etc and I was very concerned. Looks good though. Need to re-inspect for sratches.

The only issue I could tell from last night was that the one binding post is really not holding the banana plug at all. All the others are pretty tight and provides some resistance except for that one. Everything seems screwed into place properly -- any advice?

Now I do have to call Fedex and ask them about their service because they were not very nice but not your issue


Hmmm, if the sleeve that fits over the binding post is screwed down all the way my only thought is that if its a z type banana plug sometimes they get compressed and don't spring back to their original width. Have you tried another plug on it?
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