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30% no-brainer

This is very interesting for me I have speakercrafts in-ceiling for the rears due to existing wiring. If this worked out I could move those to another room and do some real nice Aperions for my back-wall and overhead.

This is cool

6 months to release -- Jason when do we sign up for the pre-release list!!!

Most folks would probably go 5 series in a room of that size, but for 50/50 music I think you would benefit from the 6Ts when you are listening to music. We actually sit about eight feet away from the 6Ts here in our soundroom so they definitely sound great at that distance.

I'd probably go with the 5C myself, as I would think that the 6C would be overkill at that distance. But someone recently noted on this thread that the 5C sounded small at a similar distance when matched with 6Ts, so you never know. You could always send back the 5C under the 30 day trial if it doesn't do it for you.


No they are not line of sight, they can be used in a room that is up to 30'X30', but they officially released version may have a longer range.


As soon as the powers that be give us the go ahead for pre-orders I will let you guys know.

With the left surround in a corner like that, I wouldn't go with either, unless you can give it 2-3 feet between it and the sidewall.

If you can't, I'd go with the 4B or 5B.

One more question, will the wireless speakers be able to run in a hybrid setup with wired speakers? I would want to go from a wired 5:1 to a hybrid 7:1, wired 5:1 + 2 wireless 'height' speakers.

Since my LCD TV is going to sit on a customized stand in front of the exposed brick wall in the Living room (won't mount TV on the brick, since I don't want any wires running to it if it's on the wall) the wireless option will at least allow me to have two 'height' speakers using the Dolby Pro Logic IIz firmware (getting the Denon AVR-4810CI receiver tomorrow). I should be able to mount two 5Bs up on the brick wall and have them function without any external wiring (thus preserving the 'no wires on the brick' look). Unless I'm missing something. Jason?

Yup, please let us know the pre-order date, my good man. Thank God I'm not in a serious relationship and have to explain this major outlay of coin to wife or girlfriend!

I would think you would need to plug them into 110V for power?

hmm good point and it sounds correct based on the article

Power through the air (which is being worked on) is probably 5 years from a widespread use, especially for larger amounts over more than 1-2 feet

Technically yes, but it's looking like we won't be offering them a la carte. You'll have to buy a full 5.1 or 7.1 system with the transmitter. Of course all of this is subject to change.


Correct, while the system is wireless in the sense that there are no wires going to the receiver, each speaker is powered and will have an AC cord.

Lame , a la carte needed please

Jason - to early for you to communicate to the powers that runs the company that existing Owners thinks that an exception should be made for them in regards to this policy. Considering that we are adding to existing equipment an argument can easily be made that we are buying a 5.1 / 7.1 system just that some items were not available before.

I take it that no other owner disagrees with me

I'll relay the message, but given that you'd still need to buy the transmitter box and you wouldn't be able to use the sweet spot autocalibration which is one of the coolest features, I don't necessarily think that a hybrid system is such a good deal.

Thanks for the reply, Jason. If I mount the speakers 2 feet from the side wall, it would be almost directly over my preferred seat. I will assume that this not optimal and that I would probably go with the 5b. Would I angle the rears toward the center of the room or what? Thanks for your help.

Mike

Yes placing a surround almost directly above you is not going to work very well. So the 5Bs toward the corners is the way to go, although a few inches in from the corner is what I recommend because of the back port. Then angle as best you can toward your listening position.

Let's hear it for change!!! I guess when I build the A/V system for my bedroom next year I can do it wireless from scratch.


Ugh! There goes my 'mounting on the brick' idea. Didn't realize that the speakers would need electricity.

So 'wireless' is a tad bit of a misnomer,huh? A 12awg cable is being taken away, but an AC cord is being added to each speaker. And now each speaker has to be placed with electricity proximity in mind as opposed to just having an adequate length 12awg cable...

Not that this is going to stop me from getting it for the bedroom system by any means, I'm just pontificating out loud.

True but for most people you can run a power cable a bit easier than you can run audio cables in the walls -- this would be for post-construction homes. For the front this is a great solution. For the rears I see less of an advantage since having a power-cord up the wall usually means some demolition work.....

Now I do want to add that there are quite a few people that think we are only 2-3 years away from power through short distances without any cabling. It is already being done, but not on a commercial level (not counting toothbrush chargers etc where the battery is on a plate)

What?!? You've got to be kidding me.


I already have TWO complete Aperion 5.1 systems (a 5-series and a 6-series), and you're telling me I won't be able to buy these wireless rear surrounds a la carte?

That is INCREDIBLY LAME, and quite frankly, it pisses me off!!!

I have a question on subwoofer placement. Should it be between the 2 front towers or outside of them? I just got my 6Ts (upgrade from 5Ts), and 6C with 12D. Just curious if there is a difference if the subwoofer is on the inside or outside. By placing the subwoofer inside, it visually takes away from the symmetry of the tv stand and the 6Ts. I am using 4Ts as surround by the way. Overall, I think the 6 series was a worthwhile upgrade up front!

I think the concensus is that you should experiment with subwoofer placement and decide based on where it sounds best.

So just so I understand your complaint you would prefer to have to buy extra hardware and not be able to use the main features of said hardware just to have wireless surrounds?

I agree, it's nearly impossible to predict how things are going to play out in your room, so try both options and see which works best.

You also can adjust the phase in your preferred position if it initially doesn't sound as good when it's outside the speakers.

I try not to get pissed off at early information. It usually changes up to release. Sure I will voice my opinion etc to drive a policy change but I hold off on the PISSED OFF until there is an official announcement. It kind of tends to make people like Jason hesitant to post that info otherwise.... just a thought.

Jason - speaking for me. If I had wireless rears only are you telling me that my MCACC through the reciever couldn't adjust the audiosignal just like it would with a pair of wired ones? I realize I don't get all the Aperion benefits of these, but would I not get all other benefits just like a regular sets of rears but without the speaker wires?

I have not heard them yet, but I'm told that the autocalibration with this system is more accurate, and easier to use, than anything currently available since the software adjusts the active digital crossovers that are built into the speakers rather than the current technology that uses the receiver's crossovers.

But to answer your question, yes I believe the MCACC would still be compatible.

Guys, I think we're really missing the potential of Aperion's proposed setup. Being wireless is more of a convenience for the fronts. Honestly, if you consider the mark up, it would probably cost you less to have a contractor, or hell even a random Best Buy installer, run wires in your wall than to go wireless (which still needs power cords). People who have no option to conceal wires can rejoice as all they'll have to see is a few feet of power cord. On the other hand, audio lovers should be rejoicing because they are offering truly bi-amplified ICE powered speakers. Bi-amplification (with an active cross over) is a big deal. Save the money you were going to spend on amps, and throw half of it at a great processor. Not only will it be less expensive over all, but it will sound better, too. There are many, many articles on the benefits of active speakers. Automatic setup is just icing on the cake.

Jason, will the active cross overs/transmitter unit allow for room correction within the speaker?

You got it, but you need to have the full system hooked up for it work. At least that's my understanding.

I do agree on the major benefits being for the fronts from an audio perspective. Bi-amping, ice powered, automatic setup etc are all great features.

BUT if you have a brick wall, or putting them on a back wall for a lot of people 30% markup is cheaper than running audio cables not just through that wall, but from there to the Audio equipment. I can hide power cables running up a wall with a fake "column" etc then just run that to the closest power outlet - no biggie. Getting new audio cables to my receiver would kill my setup.

Same for my living room -- if I could hook up my living room to a receiver in the basement (not counting on this just saying) and go wireless for the rears then that is a definate go. Even if I have to hook up my living room with a receiver in that room a full wireless system that does great sound will be considered. I can hide the front cords pretty well, but the rears are impossible and there is no way am getting moving on in-wall cabling due to fire-places etc and there is NO WAY my wife is letting me run cables to the rears.

I know there are other wireless solutions out there, but not like this

25-30% extra - I will just wait for the first open box to come back and that will shave some off that

My new system...Sounds great, using 5T's and 5B's for 4-channel stereo (A&B Fronts on my Marantz SR6003). It rocks! Took some tweaking but I finally got it sounding just right. I have to say, the mids and vocals sound so sweet on these babies. Next step in the future will be to upgrade the sub from my Cambridge Soundworks Bass Cube 8.

I would like to officially nominate myself #2, behind mhdiab on the 'wireless speaker - open box/A stock' list...

I have an exposed brick wall in my Living room, which prevents me from mounting the TV because I don't want any wires showing from a mounted TV, not even in a wire chase, (violates my personal aesthetics rules) so the same rules would apply to the speakers. I'll have to really plan carefully for the bedroom because one of my side walls is all brick in a series of open arches. I've gotta say, living in a 100+ year old brownstone building has it's plusses and minuses. (Well, minuses only when wireless speakers runs up against my nutty interior design tastes.)