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post #3421 of 6860
Just4Kicks--

I assume you talked to the wife about this, but for my .02 I would consider hiring a good carpenter and put your tv in the 2 openings under the stairs. Combine the 2 openings into 1 and then slide your sectional around. It would allow you better speaker placement and 1 main focal point in the room. Don't worry about the fireplace--I did it and it was never a problem. No one likes tearing up a wall, but I think in the long run it would soilve your problem(speaker placement) and also get the wife on board.
post #3422 of 6860
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Originally Posted by Roger That View Post

How about placing one 4BP in the corner of the top (the very top, not IN it) of the shelf on the left side: the one with the 4 picture frames on it. On the right, mount the right one ABOVE the window treatments in line with where the left one is.

That looks to be about the same height, and it looks to horizontally line up with a viewer on the sectional. On surrounds, having them above the listening position is actually better, per Dolby and THX recommendations. From practical experience, I totally agree.

I like this idea the best.
post #3423 of 6860
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Originally Posted by Roger That View Post

How about placing one 4BP in the corner of the top (the very top, not IN it) of the shelf on the left side: the one with the 4 picture frames on it. On the right, mount the right one ABOVE the window treatments in line with where the left one is.

That looks to be about the same height, and it looks to horizontally line up with a viewer on the sectional. On surrounds, having them above the listening position is actually better, per Dolby and THX recommendations. From practical experience, I totally agree.

Thoughts? Trying to keep you from having to move stands. That's a pain and can be awful for imaging.

Yeah that's what I was thinking as well, it does look like that might place the left speaker in front of his couch, but if that's the case perhaps it the couch could be moved forward just a bit so that the speaker is directly to the side of the sitting position.
post #3424 of 6860
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Originally Posted by Hicks View Post

Yeah that's what I was thinking as well, it does look like that might place the left speaker in front of his couch, but if that's the case perhaps it the couch could be moved forward just a bit so that the speaker is directly to the side of the sitting position.

Hey Jason, I just ordered a pair of 5DBs for surrounds and I already purchased the stands (will take the speakers up to 59") to position on either side of my Living rooom couch. So according to your above post, the speakers should be in a line with my seating position on the couch & elevated to max stand height?
post #3425 of 6860
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Originally Posted by irish95 View Post

Just4Kicks--

I assume you talked to the wife about this, but for my .02 I would consider hiring a good carpenter and put your tv in the 2 openings under the stairs. Combine the 2 openings into 1 and then slide your sectional around. It would allow you better speaker placement and 1 main focal point in the room. Don't worry about the fireplace--I did it and it was never a problem. No one likes tearing up a wall, but I think in the long run it would soilve your problem(speaker placement) and also get the wife on board.

Just4kicks,

PLEASE weigh in on Irish95's suggestion. After reading these posts with my workmates, who are all married A/V enthusiasts, and debating the various options you presented to your wife, and her responses, we have come to the consensus that for Irish95's suggestion, the WAF will be 'time to call a divorce attorney'. (Just kidding...)

But in all seriousness, he presented a really nice alternative...
post #3426 of 6860
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Originally Posted by PoliteNYC View Post

Just4kicks,

PLEASE weigh in on Irish95's suggestion. After reading these posts with my workmates, who are all married A/V enthusiasts, and debating the various options you presented to your wife, and her responses, we have come to the consensus that for Irish95's suggestion, the WAF will be 'time to call a divorce attorney'. (Just kidding...)

But in all seriousness, he presented a really nice alternative...

Thanks for the props. I suggested going this route because you (just4kicks) will always know that the room set-up will affect the sound quality from your system. You will in effect create this problem while trying to address another problem. Plus, you might be surprised how receptive she is to get the tv and furniture off the other wall.

I speak from experience, in that I wanted a new plasma back in 2004 for my family room and the wife would not agree to put it on one of the walls because it would affect the placement of her furniture and where the speakers would have to be placed. As a result(family peace), I had a carpenter come in and build a whole wall of shelves and cabinets around a fireplace. The tv and speakers were all placed into the shelves, with the components placed out of sight in the cabinets. When it was completed my carpenter had 3 new jobs with my wife's friends to do the same project.
post #3427 of 6860
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Originally Posted by PoliteNYC View Post

Hey Jason, I just ordered a pair of 5DBs for surrounds and I already purchased the stands (will take the speakers up to 59") to position on either side of my Living rooom couch. So according to your above post, the speakers should be in a line with my seating position on the couch & elevated to max stand height?

That is correct.

If you don't mind, what stand are you using? Thanks!
post #3428 of 6860
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Originally Posted by Roger That View Post

How about placing one 4BP in the corner of the top (the very top, not IN it) of the shelf on the left side: the one with the 4 picture frames on it. On the right, mount the right one ABOVE the window treatments in line with where the left one is.

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Originally Posted by Hicks View Post

Yeah that's what I was thinking as well, it does look like that might place the left speaker in front of his couch, but if that's the case perhaps it the couch could be moved forward just a bit so that the speaker is directly to the side of the sitting position.

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Originally Posted by dlenart25 View Post

For me that's tough. If it were me i'd go 4B's on stands. Slightly behind listening position, angled slight towards sweet spot. You could hide one by that tree and you'd have 1 on the left side of the couch. When your done with the left one you could slide it back behind the tree as well.

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Originally Posted by irish95 View Post

Just4Kicks--

I assume you talked to the wife about this, but for my .02 I would consider hiring a good carpenter and put your tv in the 2 openings under the stairs. Combine the 2 openings into 1 and then slide your sectional around. It would allow you better speaker placement and 1 main focal point in the room. Don't worry about the fireplace--I did it and it was never a problem. No one likes tearing up a wall, but I think in the long run it would soilve your problem(speaker placement) and also get the wife on board.

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Originally Posted by PoliteNYC View Post

Just4kicks,

PLEASE weigh in on Irish95's suggestion. After reading these posts with my workmates, who are all married A/V enthusiasts, and debating the various options you presented to your wife, and her responses, we have come to the consensus that for Irish95's suggestion, the WAF will be 'time to call a divorce attorney'. (Just kidding...)

But in all seriousness, he presented a really nice alternative...


Great ideas.

When we first moved in 9 years ago, I suggested taking out the fireplace (which has never been used) and turning that entire area into a custom entertainment center. The WAF was negative on that. But really, we spend a great deal of time in that entire space, a lot of it in the kitchen where I want to be able to see the TV and listen to music. Plus, that entertainment center you see the in picture is brand new and the WAF and HAF are high on it.

Given everything you guys have suggested, my room layout, WAF, HAF and budget, I think I'll try the 4Bs on tall stands. If they sound great to me, then I'll stick with them. Otherwise, I can certainly try the 4BPs mounted to the walls. (I think the jury is still out on using those on the left side of my room since there are not to many reflective surfaces. But that brings up another point: If the BPs are designed to be wall mounted, why do they include an insert for stand mounting? Is it so you can place them directly against a wall without actually attaching them to the wall?)


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Originally Posted by dlenart25 View Post

Can you really fit a 5c in that entertainment stand?

That is another conundrum. The 5C will barely fit on the shelf directly above the TV. I could use door stops to angle it down toward the listening position. Alternatively, I may get an 18 similar color wood stand and place it directly in front of the entertainment center and angle it up.
post #3429 of 6860
just4kicks

Now I get it--you have to see the tv from the kitchen. I moved into a new house a few years back and the wife wanted to do the same set-up I previously described on the new house, i.e. build cabinets around this massive fireplace. Much like you I wanted to be able to see the tv from kitchen, so tv was mounted on wall facing kitchen. I missed the location of your kitchen. I'd do the same thing. Best of luck and with the time you are taking to do it right--it will work for both of you.
post #3430 of 6860
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Originally Posted by irish95 View Post

just4kicks

Now I get it--you have to see the tv from the kitchen. I moved into a new house a few years back and the wife wanted to do the same set-up I previously described on the new house, i.e. build cabinets around this massive fireplace. Much like you I wanted to be able to see the tv from kitchen, so tv was mounted on wall facing kitchen. I missed the location of your kitchen. I'd do the same thing. Best of luck and with the time you are taking to do it right--it will work for both of you.

Exactly my situation. Despite the fantastic customer service reputation of Aperion, I want to get it as close to right the first time.
post #3431 of 6860
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Originally Posted by Just4Kicks View Post

But that brings up another point: If the BPs are designed to be wall mounted, why do they include an insert for stand mounting? Is it so you can place them directly against a wall without actually attaching them to the wall?)

We like to give folks as many options as possible. It's not that the 4BPs sound bad at 3-4 feet, they just sound better when they are a little higher at 5-6 feet.
post #3432 of 6860
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Originally Posted by Hicks View Post

We like to give folks as many options as possible. It's not that the 4BPs sound bad at 3-4 feet, they just sound better when they are a little higher at 5-6 feet.

Makes sense. So does that also mean that they would sound good, probably not great, in open space on a stand not against a wall?
post #3433 of 6860
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Originally Posted by Just4Kicks View Post

Makes sense. So does that also mean that they would sound good, probably not great, in open space on a stand not against a wall?

It's pretty tough for me to predict how the reflections are going to play out in your space.

But I will say that we have the 4BPs on a three foot stand about eight feet from the back wall in one of our demo rooms and they still outperform the 4Bs in terms of surround effect.
post #3434 of 6860
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Originally Posted by Hicks View Post

It's pretty tough for me to predict how the reflections are going to play out in your space.

But I will say that we have the 4BPs on a three foot stand about eight feet from the back wall in one of our demo rooms and they still outperform the 4Bs in terms of surround effect.

Well okay then. I think I will try the 4BPs first and see what happens. I can always swap them out if needed. I'll be sure to report back on how they perform in my awkward space. Thanks, Jason!
post #3435 of 6860
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Originally Posted by Just4Kicks View Post

Well okay then. I think I will try the 4BPs first and see what happens. I can always swap them out if needed. I'll be sure to report back on how they perform in my awkward space. Thanks, Jason!

Cool, glad to help!
post #3436 of 6860
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Originally Posted by Hicks View Post

That is correct.

If you don't mind, what stand are you using? Thanks!

Took a while to find them, but here you go:

VTI BL Series 33 3/4-59 inch Adjustable Height Speaker Stands BLE101 Black or Silver http://www.standsandmounts.com/index...OD&ProdID=1020

The top plate and bottom plate are almost identical in dimension to the 30" Studio-Tech stand for the 6B speaker that Aperion sells. This one weighs 27 lbs, all iron. Hopefully, it will take a lot to tip them over. I'll have to see how stable they are at full extension with the speakers attached.
post #3437 of 6860
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Originally Posted by PoliteNYC View Post

Took a while to find them, but here you go:

VTI BL Series 33 3/4-59 inch Adjustable Height Speaker Stands BLE101 Black or Silver http://www.standsandmounts.com/index...OD&ProdID=1020

The top plate and bottom plate are almost identical in dimension to the 30" Studio-Tech stand for the 6B speaker that Aperion sells. This one weighs 27 lbs, all iron. Hopefully, it will take a lot to tip them over. I'll have to see how stable they are at full extension with the speakers attached.

Sweet, let me know how they work out for you, thanks!
post #3438 of 6860
i currently have the Onkyo tx sr605 which is ok but i wouldn't recommend it do to popping noises and no pre-outs!!! which is must for the upgrade i want to do ( add an Emotiva xpa-3 with Aperions 6ts as L/R and 6c ) the components in the ( ) are sure shots im just sketchy about the receiver i should use something not over 500 that can decode DTS-MASTER AUDIO and dolby true HD with off course pre-outs for L/R and center the (cheaper the better )

any suggestions as to a change of the amp/ receiver con-fig i had in mind that would possibly be better ? EX: pre-amp
post #3439 of 6860
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Originally Posted by phenosity View Post

i currently have the Onkyo tx sr605 which is ok but i wouldn't recommend it do to popping noises and no pre-outs!!! which is must for the upgrade i want to do ( add an Emotiva xpa-3 with Aperions 6ts as L/R and 6c ) the components in the ( ) are sure shots im just sketchy about the receiver i should use something not over 500 that can decode DTS-MASTER AUDIO and dolby true HD with off course pre-outs for L/R and center the (cheaper the better )

any suggestions as to a change of the amp/ receiver con-fig i had in mind that would possibly be better ? EX: pre-amp

Hello there,

I responded to your question on our forum but I figured I'd cover my bases and reply here as well.

If the 605 is still under warranty you might want to try and get it serviced as that popping doesn't sound normal unless you are talking about when you switch sources which can happen.

However it doesn't address the pre-outs that you need. I see that you were considering the 1019 as a preamp which unfortunately doesn't have preouts either.

If you wanted to stick with Onkyo you could use the 707 or 807 or another option would be the 5003 from Marantz, or if you want to go with Pioneer you could get the VSX-21.

Hope that helps!
post #3440 of 6860
Jason,

I got the pair of 5DBs today and have them mounted to the stands, with the top plate at 59". It's VERY stable and not a bad look. I'll post pics when I finish purchasing all the speakers (still need to order a pair of 6Ts for Zone 2 and a 12D subwoofer to cover the bass requirements for Zones 1 & 2).

My receiver is the new Denon 4810 which can do a true 11:1 speaker configuration right off the back of the receiver. I want to use the 'front height' terminals and choose Dolby IIz so they are utilized. Since all my other speakers in Zone 1 are in the '5' family, should I get a pair of 5Bs and wall mount them near the ceiling to get the desired effect?
post #3441 of 6860
Quote:
Originally Posted by PoliteNYC View Post

Jason,

I got the pair of 5DBs today and have them mounted to the stands, with the top plate at 59". It's VERY stable and not a bad look. I'll post pics when I finish purchasing all the speakers (still need to order a pair of 6Ts for Zone 2 and a 12D subwoofer to cover the bass requirements for Zones 1 & 2).

My receiver is the new Denon 4810 which can do a true 11:1 speaker configuration right off the back of the receiver. I want to use the 'front height' terminals and choose Dolby IIz so they are utilized. Since all my other speakers in Zone 1 are in the '5' family, should I get a pair of 5Bs and wall mount them near the ceiling to get the desired effect?

Cool, thanks for the update on the stands, good to know that I can recommend them to other folks too.

I would bet you wouldn't hear much, if any, difference between the 4B and the 5B for height channel use so I'd probably go with the 4s if it were me, but if you want everything to be in the 5 series then by all means go for it.
post #3442 of 6860
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Originally Posted by Hicks View Post

I would bet you wouldn't hear much, if any, difference between the 4B and the 5B for height channel use so I'd probably go with the 4s if it were me, but if you want everything to be in the 5 series then by all means go for it.

Your right, the sound coming out of them won't be much, depending on the source. Footprint-wise I'm going to stick with the 5-series, I think I'll like the look of the bigger 5B up there as opposed to the 4B.

But thanks for your technical input. Love that you're trying to save me some coin that I'll need for the 6Ts and 12D!
post #3443 of 6860
I've been mulling a new HT setup for some time and I just pulled the trigger on a Denon 4310CI so I'm ready to buy speakers.

What stands are appropriate for the 5DBs? I see that Aperion has stands on their website for the 4Bs and 5Bs, both bookshelves, but what about the surround speakers?

Currently I'm thinking about going with:
6T towers front L/R
5C center
5DB surround L/R

Right now I'm not going to go with a full 7.1 setup, just 5.1. I'm going get the SVS PC-13 Ultra for my sub (muahahahahahaha).

Does this sound like a reasonable 5.1 setup? My room dimensions are kind of wierd since the living room opens into the family room through a half-wall and is not sealed, so I'm not sure if I should give my dimensions as the whole lower floor of the house, since it's an open floorplan, or just the area where the TV and speakers are. If anyone wants to see a floorplan I can post that as well. Thanks.
post #3444 of 6860
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Originally Posted by PoliteNYC View Post

Jason,

I got the pair of 5DBs today and have them mounted to the stands, with the top plate at 59". It's VERY stable and not a bad look. I'll post pics when I finish purchasing all the speakers (still need to order a pair of 6Ts for Zone 2 and a 12D subwoofer to cover the bass requirements for Zones 1 & 2).

My receiver is the new Denon 4810 which can do a true 11:1 speaker configuration right off the back of the receiver. I want to use the 'front height' terminals and choose Dolby IIz so they are utilized. Since all my other speakers in Zone 1 are in the '5' family, should I get a pair of 5Bs and wall mount them near the ceiling to get the desired effect?

Remember the 5Bs are back ported so they have to have some space behind them. You might consider the 4BP. I think they might do some interesting things for height channel.

Hey Hicks, I just gave you an excuse to get off the phone and into the sound room!

Cheers
post #3445 of 6860
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Originally Posted by PoliteNYC View Post

Jason,

I got the pair of 5DBs today and have them mounted to the stands, with the top plate at 59". It's VERY stable and not a bad look.

That's good to know. I was thinking of going with these stands for my 4BPs as surrounds...

RaXXess Economy Speaker Stands (42 in. Tall, Black Oak)

http://www.zzounds.com/item--RAXERSS42
...but the stands you are using seem better and a little cheaper. Plus they would fit my decor...

VTI BL Series 33 3/4-59 inch Adjustable Height Speaker Stands BLE101 Black or Silver

http://www.standsandmounts.com/vtibl...korsilver.aspx Question on your 5DB placement: You said in an earlier post that your 5DBs will serve as L/R surround duty-directly to the left and right of your couch. Does this mean that they are out in the open? Meaning, is there a wall near them? I'm just curious how they sound if they are in fact in space and not wall mounted because I have that situation. Pics would be great!

Thanks.
post #3446 of 6860
Quote:
Originally Posted by Faceless Rebel View Post

I've been mulling a new HT setup for some time and I just pulled the trigger on a Denon 4310CI so I'm ready to buy speakers.

What stands are appropriate for the 5DBs? I see that Aperion has stands on their website for the 4Bs and 5Bs, both bookshelves, but what about the surround speakers?

Currently I'm thinking about going with:
6T towers front L/R
5C center
5DB surround L/R

Right now I'm not going to go with a full 7.1 setup, just 5.1. I'm going get the SVS PC-13 Ultra for my sub (muahahahahahaha).

Does this sound like a reasonable 5.1 setup? My room dimensions are kind of wierd since the living room opens into the family room through a half-wall and is not sealed, so I'm not sure if I should give my dimensions as the whole lower floor of the house, since it's an open floorplan, or just the area where the TV and speakers are. If anyone wants to see a floorplan I can post that as well. Thanks.

Hello there,

Well the 5DBs are designed to be flush mounted directly to your sides so if you can do that I recommend it, but if not it looks like PoliteNYC had good luck with these stands:

http://www.standsandmounts.com/vtibl...korsilver.aspx

As for the system itself it's pretty much all of our top of the line speakers except for the 5C, and most folks that are sitting around 12 feet or closer to the screen find that it does a great job and that the 6C is overkill at that distance. However if you are sitting further away from the screen than that then you might think about the 6C.

Hope that helps, but just let me know if you have other questions, thanks!
post #3447 of 6860
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Originally Posted by Hicks View Post

Hello there,

Well the 5DBs are designed to be flush mounted directly to your sides so if you can do that I recommend it, but if not it looks like PoliteNYC had good luck with these stands:

http://www.standsandmounts.com/vtibl...korsilver.aspx

As for the system itself it's pretty much all of our top of the line speakers except for the 5C, and most folks that are sitting around 12 feet or closer to the screen find that it does a great job and that the 6C is overkill at that distance. However if you are sitting further away from the screen than that then you might think about the 6C.

Hope that helps, but just let me know if you have other questions, thanks!

I'll be about 8-10 feet away from the TV, so that sounds pretty good.

I am not planning to wall-mount my surrounds at this time, the layout I'm planning in my living room is not centered in that space and so if I wall-mounted the 5DBs one would be closer to the couch than the other. So I have to go with stands at this time. At least those stands aren't terribly expensive, I wasn't prepared to spend $300 just on the speaker stands, that's almost as much money as each speaker itself!

I put my order in tonight. I hope I know what I'm doing.
post #3448 of 6860
I have a quick question. I just picked up a set of Klipsch RF-82's and an RC-64 center channel. I would like a descent set of surrounds but I can't really afford to spend the asking price for the Klipsch surrounds. Anyone here use the 5DB's with a smiliar setup? I know the Klipsch have a unique sound, but I know that it isn't critical to match your surrounds with your fronts and center. Anyone have an opinion on that? I hear a lot of good things about the 5DB's.
post #3449 of 6860
Sell your Klipschs' and buy all Aperions . Ideally you should try and timbre match all your speakers-I would stay with Klipsch to match your setup.
post #3450 of 6860
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Originally Posted by BadMF222 View Post

I have a quick question. I just picked up a set of Klipsch RF-82's and an RC-64 center channel. I would like a descent set of surrounds but I can't really afford to spend the asking price for the Klipsch surrounds. Anyone here use the 5DB's with a smiliar setup? I know the Klipsch have a unique sound, but I know that it isn't critical to match your surrounds with your fronts and center. Anyone have an opinion on that? I hear a lot of good things about the 5DB's.

If you'll only use your system for movies, I doubt you'd find the difference between your front soundstage and the surrounds to be distracting (and if I'm wrong, you'd have Aperion's ultra-generous in-home audition policy working for you). I'd suggest surrounds mismatched with your fronts over no surrounds in a 100% movie setup. On the other hand, if you plan on listening to multi-channel music (or you're a fan of all-channel stereo), I suggest saving up so you can get the matching Klipsch surrounds. My 2 cents.

-Nick
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