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post #3541 of 6571
11/17/09 at 10:50am
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Originally Posted by tristan2 View Post

Thanks for the feedback. I am using a Yamaha RX-V1800. It's specifications are 130W per channel (fronts, surrounds and rear). Is that sufficient for these as well as any of your other speakers? Or let me word it this way - is there any Aperion 5.1 speaker configuration(s) that would be a problem when using this receiver? Thanks.

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Shouldn't be a problem, but beware receiver specs. 130W is likely to only be the case with one or two channels driven. With all channels driven, it's likely much less.

Yeah I agree with Roger That, it should be enough to drive any of our speakers. It looks like Yamaha is saying that the total power available is 910 watts so that you could get 130 wpc with all channels driven, but I'd take that with a grain of salt.


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Originally Posted by synfinatic View Post

So is there any point to bridge amps for the larger speakers like the 6T's? From what I can tell, they only have 2 posts so bi-amping is out of the question right?

For an AVR with like the 876/906 the difference is likely to be minimal but you may get a little bit of a bump in dB for the bass output of the 6Ts. I'd say give it a shot, and if you do it would be great if you can give us your impressions, thanks!
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post #3542 of 6571
11/19/09 at 4:09am
Is the aperion site down? I couldn't get it up yesterday or this morning. Maybe its under maintanence?
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post #3543 of 6571
11/19/09 at 6:25am
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Originally Posted by opiy View Post

Is the aperion site down? I couldn't get it up yesterday or this morning. Maybe its under maintanence?

I was on it several times yesterday and this morning as well.

Cheers
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post #3544 of 6571
11/19/09 at 8:25am
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Originally Posted by boarder1995 View Post

I've got 895is up front and I believe it's an MC-2 center. It's got the same sized tweeter, but it's not gloss top/bottom.

The 6T's are more detailed up top, but more testing will come. I've actually currently got an issue with one tweeter in the 6T. A replacement driver is on the way and will be back operational in no time. Customer service at Aperion was great, as usual. Otherwise, I'm still playing them and giving them time to break in. These were discounted b-stock, "A" class or something like that. So they (may) have some hours on them already. That also is the likely reason for the tweeter issue. I'm still playing them and getting hours on them. At low volumes the tweeter issue doesn't rear it's ugly head, so I've been able to do some decent listening each evening. The direct radiating detailed, non-smeared sound is great versus my bi-polar. Definitely a change.

For a center another 6T or 6C would be in order for me. My wife prefers the look of a "standard horizontal center", but we can fit a tower, so might as well do that. I've put my current center up on end and for various seating positions, it definitely sounds more consistent. Rears, maybe 6T or a better fit might be 5T - not so deep. We'll see how things go after the tweeter and more comparison to some more costly local units.

More testing/auditioning...
So the new tweeter arrived and it's installed as of Tuesday. I've spent some more time with the towers and music.

I hooked my trusty laser disc player pre-outs (with good DACs internally) straight to a couple power amps. This removes any hint of coloration or sound signature my Denon would impart. Initially I thought with the Denon in DIRECT mode, there should be no change. Well, allbeit subtle, there was a change. The two amps I'm using are a Lexicon and a pro Behringer EP1500. The bass was a bit more pronounced than with the Denon in the loop. I even hooked the Denon back up and used its internal amps and heard a change back in sound. Now, I didn't do double blind testing and I played at all volumes, so no level matching, but I wasn't trying to determine if there was a difference with the Denon, but certainly wanted to give the 6T's a fair shakedown.

So, back to the 6T's, they opened up a bit more with more time on them, and bass has gotten a bit more pronounced. They still play very loud very deep. Perhaps the only main things I've noticed with them versus some other towers I'm auditioning (B&W 804S, 803S, 802D, CM9) are a slight lack of texture in the bass that I pick up with some other models. There's a certain portion on a piano concerto that on the B&W's I hear a good bass piano chord and also pick up the texture of the piano itself, whereas with the Aperions I hear the piano bass note, but just a slight less detail beyond the note and tone itself. I've gone back and forth on this particular section of the piece and I consistently hear the difference. Also, the upper midrange / lower treble seems a bit less pronounced than that of the B&W's. This is of course comparing an Aperion 2-way to B&W 3-ways that have what many consider a very good midrange driver. Price points are also not the same (B&W 803S are $6000/pr), but I like to know what's possible and what I'd be giving up. While playing these Aperion 6T's at high volumes with good amp power behind then they played very well very loud; you know the volumes that get a wife to give dirty looks. The treble got a bit strained at really high volumes, but the bass had no issues. So, for the $695/ea price tag, these things are great! Play full range at all volumes without giving in on any end.
Thanks for listening again.
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post #3545 of 6571
11/19/09 at 8:54am
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Originally Posted by opiy View Post

Is the aperion site down? I couldn't get it up yesterday or this morning. Maybe its under maintanence?

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Originally Posted by dynaudio View Post

I was on it several times yesterday and this morning as well.

Cheers

No problems here either, are you still having trouble getting on?

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Originally Posted by boarder1995 View Post

More testing/auditioning...
So the new tweeter arrived and it's installed as of Tuesday. I've spent some more time with the towers and music.

I hooked my trusty laser disc player pre-outs (with good DACs internally) straight to a couple power amps. This removes any hint of coloration or sound signature my Denon would impart. Initially I thought with the Denon in DIRECT mode, there should be no change. Well, allbeit subtle, there was a change. The two amps I'm using are a Lexicon and a pro Behringer EP1500. The bass was a bit more pronounced than with the Denon in the loop. I even hooked the Denon back up and used its internal amps and heard a change back in sound. Now, I didn't do double blind testing and I played at all volumes, so no level matching, but I wasn't trying to determine if there was a difference with the Denon, but certainly wanted to give the 6T's a fair shakedown.

So, back to the 6T's, they opened up a bit more with more time on them, and bass has gotten a bit more pronounced. They still play very loud very deep. Perhaps the only main things I've noticed with them versus some other towers I'm auditioning (B&W 804S, 803S, 802D, CM9) are a slight lack of texture in the bass that I pick up with some other models. There's a certain portion on a piano concerto that on the B&W's I hear a good bass piano chord and also pick up the texture of the piano itself, whereas with the Aperions I hear the piano bass note, but just a slight less detail beyond the note and tone itself. I've gone back and forth on this particular section of the piece and I consistently hear the difference. Also, the upper midrange / lower treble seems a bit less pronounced than that of the B&W's. This is of course comparing an Aperion 2-way to B&W 3-ways that have what many consider a very good midrange driver. Price points are also not the same (B&W 803S are $6000/pr), but I like to know what's possible and what I'd be giving up. While playing these Aperion 6T's at high volumes with good amp power behind then they played very well very loud; you know the volumes that get a wife to give dirty looks. The treble got a bit strained at really high volumes, but the bass had no issues. So, for the $695/ea price tag, these things are great! Play full range at all volumes without giving in on any end.
Thanks for listening again.

Cool, thanks again for posting. Not too surprised that the 803s are besting the 6Ts, I'd say the CM7 is more of a comparable speaker, and still a bit more expensive at $2K a pair.
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post #3546 of 6571
11/19/09 at 8:59am
Ya, the B&W CM line is really a close competitor with their all black and Wenge color options, about the same size and similar sound. Still their units are three way (and you pay for it) until their bookshelf models, which are still $750 each. Volume depth and efficiency wise, the Aperions take it.
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post #3547 of 6571
11/19/09 at 9:17am
A few questions please. Are you going to audition additional speakers? What size is your room? Are you doing any testing with movies?
Thanks

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Originally Posted by boarder1995 View Post

Ya, the B&W CM line is really a close competitor with their all black and Wenge color options, about the same size and similar sound. Still their units are three way (and you pay for it) until their bookshelf models, which are still $750 each. Volume depth and efficiency wise, the Aperions take it.
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post #3548 of 6571
11/19/09 at 2:04pm
My room is 15' wide x 18' deep x 10' tall. About 2/3 of the back wall and 1/4 of the right side wall are completely open to a 2 story great room. Flooring is ceramic tile with a large area rug and all furniture is leather. I've also got subs, which I've only turned on and incorporated for movies, otherwise listening is strictly done with the 2 Aperion 6T towers up front.

Movies I've viewed that I'm familiar with are Transformers 1 & 2. Others recently are GI Joe, Monsters vs. Aliens, and a few other action flicks I don't remember.

Other speakers I'm about to place in the room are Paradigm towers (I'll get the model number soon) and I may order some SVS MTS, but will have to pay return shipping if I don't keep them. I can't keep more than one set, so something's gotta give. I've also got a friend with DT Mythos ST towers I'll probably borrow after the holidays.
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post #3549 of 6571
11/19/09 at 2:28pm
I am also in the market for new speakers and your side-by-side comparisons are very interesting and helpful. Please continue reporting your impressions. Thanks

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My room is 15' wide x 18' deep x 10' tall. About 2/3 of the back wall and 1/4 of the right side wall are completely open to a 2 story great room. Flooring is ceramic tile with a large area rug and all furniture is leather. I've also got subs, which I've only turned on and incorporated for movies, otherwise listening is strictly done with the 2 Aperion 6T towers up front.

Movies I've viewed that I'm familiar with are Transformers 1 & 2. Others recently are GI Joe, Monsters vs. Aliens, and a few other action flicks I don't remember.

Other speakers I'm about to place in the room are Paradigm towers (I'll get the model number soon) and I may order some SVS MTS, but will have to pay return shipping if I don't keep them. I can't keep more than one set, so something's gotta give. I've also got a friend with DT Mythos ST towers I'll probably borrow after the holidays.
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post #3550 of 6571
11/20/09 at 5:45am
Thanks boarder1995 for the review. I agree the 6Ts play loud and clear. I am lucky I could place 3 across for my front stage. Excellent for HT/Music.
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post #3551 of 6571
11/20/09 at 12:32pm
Anyone has any insight into the Speakers from Emotiva (in general or any of them) against Aperion?

I just got delivered a set from Aperion - 2 5T's | 6C | 2 5DB's & Sentinel Sub from Epik. Not necessarily second thoughts but wanted to be sure before the 30 day return - & - It will be 100% Movies.
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post #3552 of 6571
11/20/09 at 7:52pm
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Originally Posted by Hicks View Post

No problems here either, are you still having trouble getting on?

Yes I tried earlier today and just now a few minutes ago. I had problems last night also. Sometimes the site will come up but I have more failures than success. I try to google it then click on the Speakers link but still fails. Hmmm
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post #3553 of 6571
11/21/09 at 10:22am
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Originally Posted by opiy View Post

Yes I tried earlier today and just now a few minutes ago. I had problems last night also. Sometimes the site will come up but I have more failures than success. I try to google it then click on the Speakers link but still fails. Hmmm

Maybe the google links are out of date. Try going directly to:
http://www.aperionaudio.com/home.aspx
I am on at least once a day, and have never had a problem.
If that does not work, look at your firewall if you have one.
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post #3554 of 6571
11/23/09 at 10:16am
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Originally Posted by opiy View Post

Yes I tried earlier today and just now a few minutes ago. I had problems last night also. Sometimes the site will come up but I have more failures than success. I try to google it then click on the Speakers link but still fails. Hmmm

I'd try deleting any cookies from Aperion audio on your comp, it sounds like they could be corrupted.
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post #3555 of 6571
11/25/09 at 7:14am
Ok, back with another round of comparison testing at my house...
This time I put the Aperions up agains my friend's Paradigm Monitor 11 v.2. These have a tweeter, midrange and three 6.5" drivers. They actually stand the same height and depth basically. I used a direct connectoin out of a laserdisc player to a power amp for each speaker set. No tone controls or funky processing getting in the way here. I primarily listened to one speaker in mono from the Aperion and one from Paradigm - one at a time. This allowed me to hone in on the tonal differences and not worry about imaging initially.
So, what did I find?
Bass:
The Aperions play deeper with a bit more detail and texture. They definitely had more low end, but it was much more drawn back (lower output level relative to the other frequencies) than the Paradigms. The Paradigms had much more punch and better chest kick at the expense of a little bit muddier bass. The Aperions seemed more controlled down low (below 80Hz), but didn't have that same feel above that range as the Paradigms did.
Midrange:
This is where the Paradigms really shined above the Aperions. I was hearing finger noise on the bass guitar that was masked on the Aperions. Male and especially female vocals were much more pronounced without being harsh versus the Aperions seemingly struggling to produce those frequencies with just 6.5" and 1" drivers. Dialog was more clear and understandable on the Paradigms.
Treble:
As a result of the tweeter and bass units in the Aperions covering broader ranges, the treble seemed a bit over-emphasized. The Paradigms seemed more at ease producing treble and to my ears was more inviting, not as harsh.

If I could get the depth and clarity of the Aperions, the upper bass and midrange of the Paradigms and the finish of the Aperions, I'd have a winner on my hands. I'd really like to see what the Aperions sound like with a midrange like their big center channel. Wouldn't think it'd be that hard to incorporate that midrange and crossover and make a 3-way tower. But, that's likely oversimplified.
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post #3556 of 6571
12/1/09 at 8:06am
So I just thought I would tell everybody how great my little 4Ts and 8D sounds!

Cheers
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post #3557 of 6571
12/1/09 at 8:21am
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So I just thought I would tell everybody how great my little 4Ts and 8D sounds!

Cheers


Hope you had a good Thanksgiving!
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post #3558 of 6571
12/1/09 at 3:15pm
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So I just thought I would tell everybody how great my little 4Ts and 8D sounds!

Cheers

I believe that cnet agrees.
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post #3559 of 6571
12/1/09 at 6:30pm
from cnet:



The bad: Subwoofer equalization may require an expert touch for best sound.


WHy?
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post #3560 of 6571
12/2/09 at 3:20am
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from cnet:



The bad: Subwoofer equalization may require an expert touch for best sound.


WHy?

Subs are very particular on placement. In my room my options were limited so I had to do the best I could and that left me with a narrow bass peak. Finding that peak was difficult without equipment. I downloaded some test tones and some free spectrum analysis software for my laptop. I found a 6db peak at 80Hz. I could not quite tame it until I discovered part of it was coming from the 4T towers. Basically it was a room issue. I solved it by setting my crossover to 100Hz (80 is considered the best) to take the towers out of the picture then setting the 8D PE to 80Hz, narrow and -4db (or -5db, I can't remember). Those changes made an enormous difference but were relatively difficult to come by. It was not a Aperion issue as it is the nature of the game. At least the Aperion sub gave me a way to compensate for it.

Cheers
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post #3561 of 6571
12/2/09 at 7:51am
How do the 5T's compare to Paradigm's, B&W's and Totems tower speakers? Since I can't go to a dealer to demo them I'd like some opinions from owners before making a purchase. Thanks.
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post #3562 of 6571
12/2/09 at 8:38am
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The bad: Subwoofer equalization may require an expert touch for best sound.


WHy?

I think what they meant is that the parametric EQ and low bass adjust features give the user an amount of fine tuning control that they may not be accustomed to having.

However, if you are having trouble dialing in the EQ you can always feel free to give us a call and we are more than happy to spend some time on the phone with you going through the set up.
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post #3563 of 6571
12/2/09 at 10:13am
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Originally Posted by dynaudio View Post

Subs are very particular on placement. In my room my options were limited so I had to do the best I could and that left me with a narrow bass peak. Finding that peak was difficult without equipment. I downloaded some test tones and some free spectrum analysis software for my laptop. I found a 6db peak at 80Hz. I could not quite tame it until I discovered part of it was coming from the 4T towers. Basically it was a room issue. I solved it by setting my crossover to 100Hz (80 is considered the best) to take the towers out of the picture then setting the 8D PE to 80Hz, narrow and -4db (or -5db, I can't remember). Those changes made an enormous difference but were relatively difficult to come by. It was not a Aperion issue as it is the nature of the game. At least the Aperion sub gave me a way to compensate for it.

Cheers

Hi Russ,
Would you mind sharing that link to the software if you have it lying around? I've been meaning to take a closer look at my Bass Curve but haven't had the means to do so.

Glad to hear the 4T's are still pleasing the ears. I've kind of got myself into a predicament lately. Moved my PS3 into the basement so i can play video games in the mans room. Online Tiger Woods, College Football and Ninja Gaiden has got me hooked. I have a 50" RPTV in the basement along with some nice JBL studio series 5.1 going down there. However, the wife has the wall mounted 50" plasma, HD cable and the Aperions to herself most nights upstairs, so i'm kind of missing out. Now i basically get to listen to music on the Aperions while i'm house cleaning. What kind of deal is that? I mean she gave me a hard time when i wanted the Aperions, now she hogs them all to herself. Jason never told me this would happen!

How do i convince her i need to sell the JBL's and get Aperions in the basement. I'm thinking 5B's, 5C and 4B's in cherry

Thanks,
Dan.
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post #3564 of 6571
12/2/09 at 10:50am
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Hi Russ,
Would you mind sharing that link to the software if you have it lying around? I've been meaning to take a closer look at my Bass Curve but haven't had the means to do so.

Glad to hear the 4T's are still pleasing the ears. I've kind of got myself into a predicament lately. Moved my PS3 into the basement so i can play video games in the mans room. Online Tiger Woods, College Football and Ninja Gaiden has got me hooked. I have a 50" RPTV in the basement along with some nice JBL studio series 5.1 going down there. However, the wife has the wall mounted 50" plasma, HD cable and the Aperions to herself most nights upstairs, so i'm kind of missing out. Now i basically get to listen to music on the Aperions while i'm house cleaning. What kind of deal is that? I mean she gave me a hard time when i wanted the Aperions, now she hogs them all to herself. Jason never told me this would happen!

How do i convince her i need to sell the JBL's and get Aperions in the basement. I'm thinking 5B's, 5C and 4B's in cherry

Thanks,
Dan.

The link below will take you there. The free version is limited to only showing full octaves but if you have some test tones you can run through them and record which octave block is where on the scale. You can also have the laptop feed built in freqs. to the AVR. The pay versions are pretty inexpensive as well.

If you get those speeks in black maybe you can move the 5Ts downstairs and she won't notice!

Cheers

http://www.trueaudio.com/
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post #3565 of 6571
12/8/09 at 10:03am
You all need to tear yourselves away for those Aperions and start posting. It is too dull here lately!

Cheers
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post #3566 of 6571
12/8/09 at 12:43pm
Good afternoon, all!

A while ago, I posted a number of questions about speaker placement, diploes, etc and then kinda...disappeared.

Well, my living situation has changed dramatically and I'm now ready to take another hard look at upgrading my system, just in a drastically smaller room, and I'm looking for a little advice.

My main problem is that I currrently have a 7.1 setup that is going to need to downgrade to a 5.1 as my couch will be against a wall. Furthermore, the left surrond will be about twice as far away from the seating position as the right surround. Soundstage nightmare!

Attached is a crude drawing of the room with proposed speaker placements. If anybody could offer some advice on what could sound better given the space, it would be greatly appreciated! Also, when looking at the pic, realize that speakrs will be placed about 7 feet off the ground, on the walls.

Thanks!
LL
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post #3567 of 6571
12/8/09 at 1:43pm
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Good afternoon, all!

A while ago, I posted a number of questions about speaker placement, diploes, etc and then kinda...disappeared.

Well, my living situation has changed dramatically and I'm now ready to take another hard look at upgrading my system, just in a drastically smaller room, and I'm looking for a little advice.

My main problem is that I currrently have a 7.1 setup that is going to need to downgrade to a 5.1 as my couch will be against a wall. Furthermore, the left surrond will be about twice as far away from the seating position as the right surround. Soundstage nightmare!

Attached is a crude drawing of the room with proposed speaker placements. If anybody could offer some advice on what could sound better given the space, it would be greatly appreciated! Also, when looking at the pic, realize that speakrs will be placed about 7 feet off the ground, on the walls.

Thanks!

Why can't you move the 5B closer?

Cheers
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post #3568 of 6571
12/8/09 at 9:24pm
Please post up a good speaker stand for 4B for rears?

What guage speaker wire are you running? 12 or 14?
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post #3569 of 6571
12/9/09 at 7:48am
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Why can't you move the 5B closer?

Cheers

My intention is to mount the surrounds on the wall, which is my only option, unless I use speaker stands and put them next to the couch. The problem with that is, I wont be able to get them high enough for my taste plus, who needs a big old speaker stand the middle of the living area.

If there is a speaker stand that would get it high enough, or even a ceiling mounting option, I would be into doing that. To be honest, I've never really looked into anything like that, so I wouldn't know where to start.
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post #3570 of 6571
12/9/09 at 7:49am
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Please post up a good speaker stand for 4B for rears?

What guage speaker wire are you running? 12 or 14?

Not sure if you were asking me, but I'll be running 14 gauge wire for everything, including surrounds.
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