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Originally Posted by armaraas

How far is your seating from the tv/center speaker? If it's more than a few feet (6-8 feet) you should get the 5C. As for surrounds, they do have a sale going on for the next month on 4BP's, 5DB's, and 6B's. If the seating is right against the wall and you can't pull it out a foot or two, it might be tough. You could try the 4BP's on the back wall, but they might be firing straight into people's heads depending on how high you hang them. You could also try a pair of bookshelves mounted to the sides of the couch either from the ceiling or higher up on the wall and angled down a bit. I currently have a similar setup, and I have both- bipoles on the back wall and bookshelves to the sides (with the listening location about a foot and a half off the back wall). It's not ideal probably, but I knew I would be moving from this room to the basement eventually and will have more room there.

Originally Posted by ran-diesel

Seating is about 8 feet from the tv/center so the 5c sounds like the best fit. My home theatre area is a bit awkward so the couch has to be right up on the wall. I may try mounting the surrounds above the seating position angled down or on the back wall angled inward. What is the benefit of the bipoles vs. the bookshelves? I thought maybe the corner wall would make the bipoles a better fit...

Originally Posted by Hicks

If you can get the 4BPs around two feet from the side walls then that's what I'd recommend and you can mount them at a height of about 5-6 off the ground so they aren't right next to your head.

The advantage to a bipole speaker like the 4BP is that the two side firing tweeters spread the sound out more than a normal speaker and give you a more enveloping/immersive surround effect.

Hope that helps!

Originally Posted by Viremia

I can attest that the 4BPs work really well even if your seating position is against the back wall. On your suggestion a while back, I got the BPs and have them mounted as you indicated and the surround effect is very good, much better than my old bookshelf speakers which were firing right at my head.

Originally Posted by vipervick

Ok,

So last night I really got to demo the system. I played some music while cleaning and going through the endless moving boxes. I am very impressed with the sound. I listened to Opeth's Watershed and Soulfly's Omen albums. I think I only took my Onkyo TX-NR5007 to -10dB, but the clarity and soundstage was outstanding.

The real ass kicker was watching a movie. I watched A Bugs Life on Blu-Ray. First off, I hadn't seen it yet. That was cool watching it for the first time, not knowing what to expect. I started out at -10, but after about 10 minutes I kicked it up to reference. Man! The surround sound was spot on, the clarity of the vocal track really stood out and the volume was just amazing. My house was shaking a bit.

It felt so weird. I am finally in a house of my own. I have never been able to turn up the volume like that. I felt like the neighbors were going to call the sherriff at any moment! (I have had them called on my before) My wife and kids are in Canada visiting her family. So I had the whole house to myself. I am not going to be able to watch at reference very often, but I'm happy knowing I have the capability.

Originally Posted by Browninggold

I used 12AWG for my 7 speaker setup and the runs were around 25 feet. A great place to purchase wire and accessories for HT is monoprice.com- Here is some guidelines for you to go by. http://www.audioholics.com/education...er-cable-gauge

also monoprice has hdmi cables, I use them frequently never any problems

Originally Posted by entertainman

Browninggold and all,

Is there such a thing as 12AWG flat wire? I'm not taking about the taperwire products but the kind you can run under carpets. If not, is taperwire the way to go? I can't see anything resembling flat wire (which has a more rectangular look) for 12AWG when doing a google search.

Thanks

Originally Posted by entertainman

Browninggold and all,

Is there such a thing as 12AWG flat wire? I'm not taking about the taperwire products but the kind you can run under carpets. If not, is taperwire the way to go? I can't see anything resembling flat wire (which has a more rectangular look) for 12AWG when doing a google search.

Thanks

Originally Posted by entertainman

All,

I have a multipurpose room with a projector and various other components for my HT set-up. I would like to run speaker wire from my set-up on the back wall (behind my primary seating position), along the side wall, to the front where the speakers and screen are. Measuring from the receiver to the position of my left 6t (the farthest speaker from the reciever) I get ~42 feet. I intend to run the wires for the 6C as well as the right 6t as well. They should be around 36 and 30 feet respectively. Since the speaker wire is going to be run along the edge of the carpet (not sure how yet) I was planning on using flat wire. Would 16AWG be fine or will there be an audible loss in sound quality?

In addition, is it feasible to run 3 16AWG or less gauge wire under or between the carpet and the dry wall? Usually this is done in the wall or for surround speakers. I've never done this before so I'd appreciate any advice.

Thanks!

Originally Posted by brian6751

Well. I have been researching and lurking here for a long time and today i finaly placed my order. Heres what im getting.

5B for fronts
5C for center
5DB for side surrounds
8D sub
All in cherry

These will be fed by a Denon 1910 through 12awg wire. My room is 12x14. There is 4 feet between the seating and the back wall.

I cant wait. I will take pics and post my opinion after i test them out a bit. Should be here Thursday.

Originally Posted by brian6751

What about routing a channel in the drywall, stuffing the wire in and mudding over it? I do it with a dremel type tool.

Originally Posted by gpzbc

Congrats!!!
I can't to hear your thoughts, and pictures if you are able.

Originally Posted by blacksheepvictor

Hello all,

I plan on purchasing two 6Ts and a 6C for the front, but I'm at a loss for surrounds. My surround options are limited to ceiling mounts for several reason. One being the lack of a wall on one side. My other option was going to be stands but my wife vetoed that.

So to my questions.

I like the idea of the 5DBs, for their room-filling abilities, but I don't know if they can be mounted on the ceiling. Or, if they would even sound good hanging from the ceiling. Thoughts?

The other options are the 5Bs or 6Bs. I know the 5Bs can be hung from the ceiling using the Omni Ceiling Mount sold on Aperion's website, but the site doesn't mention the Omni Ceiling Mount holding the 6Bs. Thoughts.

I've thought about in-ceiling speakers too, but I know nothing about placement which, is important when it comes to those. Also wouldn't 4Bs 5Bs 6Bs or 5DBs sound better that them anyway.

Basically I don't know what to do about the surrounds only that they have to hung from the ceiling. Thanks for any advice. I'm all ears.

Originally Posted by entertainman

Browninggold and all,

Is there such a thing as 12AWG flat wire? I'm not taking about the taperwire products but the kind you can run under carpets. If not, is taperwire the way to go? I can't see anything resembling flat wire (which has a more rectangular look) for 12AWG when doing a google search.

Thanks

Originally Posted by brian6751

Well expected delivery is now Friday. One more day than i expected. Bummer.

Originally Posted by Wryker

Will there be any Aperion 4th of July specials on the outdoor speakers?

Originally Posted by Hicks

It's funny that you mention it as I had suggested that we do one, but the powers that be felt that we couldn't go lower than $298/pair on them.

I do think they are still a great deal at that price, especially considering that comparable models like the Boston Voyager 6 and Klipsch AW-650 will run you about $350 and $500 a pair respectively.

Originally Posted by Hicks

Hmmm, how high is the ceiling and where will the speakers be in relation to your sitting position?

Hanging 6Bs off the ceiling unfortunately will not be an option.

Originally Posted by Hicks



tpross' link looks good to me, but here's some 14 AWG from Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Cables-Unlimit.../dp/B000JD1ONA

Originally Posted by blacksheepvictor

Originally Posted by entertainman

Thanks for the idea, this looks like what I need though the 2 reviews don't seem to be flattering.

Originally Posted by Hicks

Ok, I think I would go with the 4BPs, you could also do the 5DBs but at that height you'll lose a lot of the dipole effect which is their primary advantage over the 4BP.

As far as placement, I would mount the right at the back edge of the couch with it's back nearly up against the wall, but allowing enough room for it to be angled down a bit, and then left similarly mounted above the other back corner of the couch and angled down as well.

I hope that helps but please let me know if you have other questions, thanks!

Originally Posted by blacksheepvictor

Thanks for the quick reply.

For clarification. Getting the 4BP, even if they are bipole, would be more advantages than the 5DB? Would I be loosing the "bipole" effect on the 4BP's as well?

Also, I now know I would be loosing the dipole effect of the larger 5DB. However, would I be sacrificing anything by going with the 4BP over the 5DB, or even just 5Bs. Like sound quality, loudness etc?

Lastly. I'm not totally against getting in-ceiling speakers too. Are the 4BP 5DB 5B options superior to in-celiling? Sound quality wise.

Thanks again.