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post #4261 of 6535
7/21/10 at 9:43am
So,

I setup my 4Ts, 5C, and 4BPs. The 4T's sound great. I'm having some issues with the 5C. I'm not an audiophile, so I'm not sure how to explain it. The 5C sounds lacking something for some reason. I calibrated things with an Avia disk and a SPL meter, and the front speakers and the 5C are at the same level, but something doesn't seem right. Its almost like it doesn't have enough bass. I've checked everything in the receiver and can't figure it out. I never noticed a problem with my old Klipsch center speaker. I'll check it out again tonight and see if I can give a more accurate description. Compared to the 4T's, its missing something. It acts the same if I'm watching cable TV content, or watching a blu-ray.

Any suggestions on what to check?
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post #4262 of 6535
7/21/10 at 9:48am
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Originally Posted by dfedders View Post

So,

I setup my 4Ts, 5C, and 4BPs. The 4T's sound great. I'm having some issues with the 5C. I'm not an audiophile, so I'm not sure how to explain it. The 5C sounds lacking something for some reason. I calibrated things with an Avia disk and a SPL meter, and the front speakers and the 5C are at the same level, but something doesn't seem right. Its almost like it doesn't have enough bass. I've checked everything in the receiver and can't figure it out. I never noticed a problem with my old Klipsch center speaker. I'll check it out again tonight and see if I can give a more accurate description. Compared to the 4T's, its missing something. It acts the same if I'm watching cable TV content, or watching a blu-ray.

Any suggestions on what to check?

What's the crossover set to? Sometimes Audyssey will set it really high, around 150 Hz or so, I recommend crossing it over at 80 Hz.
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post #4263 of 6535
7/21/10 at 4:15pm
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Originally Posted by Hicks View Post

What's the crossover set to? Sometimes Audyssey will set it really high, around 150 Hz or so, I recommend crossing it over at 80 Hz.

My receiver is a few years old, and doesn't have any crossover settings really. It is a Kenwood VR-6060. I can select all speakers (at once) to be Small, Normal, or Large. I tried each of the settings and not much changed with the 5C. I had a Klipsch KSC-C1 previously and didn't notice any issues with it hooked up to my receiver.

I've gone through the entire manual, and I can't find anything that helps. I was hoping to keep this receiver for another year until some new models of receivers come out.

Here is a link to the manual:
http://manuals.kenwood.novenaweb.inf...60D%20(EN).pdf
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post #4264 of 6535
7/22/10 at 2:58am
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Originally Posted by dfedders View Post

My receiver is a few years old, and doesn't have any crossover settings really. It is a Kenwood VR-6060. I can select all speakers (at once) to be Small, Normal, or Large. I tried each of the settings and not much changed with the 5C. I had a Klipsch KSC-C1 previously and didn't notice any issues with it hooked up to my receiver.

I've gone through the entire manual, and I can't find anything that helps. I was hoping to keep this receiver for another year until some new models of receivers come out.

Here is a link to the manual:
http://manuals.kenwood.novenaweb.inf...60D%20(EN).pdf

You might want to double check the polarity on the speaker wire going to the 5C.

Cheers
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post #4265 of 6535
7/22/10 at 12:02pm
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Originally Posted by dynaudio View Post

You might want to double check the polarity on the speaker wire going to the 5C.

Cheers

That's another good idea.

The woofer on the right is a passive radiator so there won't be much sound coming out of that, but if you put your ear right up to the left woofer is there sound coming from it?

How about the four inch midrange in the middle?
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post #4266 of 6535
7/22/10 at 12:33pm
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Originally Posted by Hicks View Post

That's another good idea.

The woofer on the right is a passive radiator so there won't be much sound coming out of that, but if you put your ear right up to the left woofer is there sound coming from it?

How about the four inch midrange in the middle?

There is sound coming from the one on the right (If I'm looking at the front of the speaker), and the one on the left had nothing and was the passive. Is that right? Its the opposite of what you said above. I do believe I have sound from the four inch midrange, and the tweeter.

I'll check double check the polarity.

Thanks.
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post #4267 of 6535
7/22/10 at 3:57pm
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Originally Posted by dfedders View Post

There is sound coming from the one on the right (If I'm looking at the front of the speaker), and the one on the left had nothing and was the passive. Is that right? Its the opposite of what you said above. I do believe I have sound from the four inch midrange, and the tweeter.

I'll check double check the polarity.

Thanks.

The passive radiator is usually on the right, but it doesn't really matter.
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post #4268 of 6535
7/22/10 at 7:29pm
You guys might be interested in following this thread ... http://forums.audioholics.com:80/for...ad.php?t=67150.

Aperion will be well represented, right along with some other respected loudspeakers.

And by the way, I really love my 10D (and I've owned MANY subwoofers). I have it in my office system, mated to a pair of old but great overachievers...20 year old ACI LX's. But I'm still looking to upgrade those monitors..........
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post #4269 of 6535
7/24/10 at 7:11am
Dear All,

Have read through most of threads of last 3-4 months and found them very helpful.In process of finalizing Aperion system, please help(want to finalize before end of anniversary sell):

1. Need help in finalizing Aperion 5.1 speaker system. Here are the details
2. Room size 15.5 feet * 11.5 feet (about 178 sq feet total). This is an entertainment room, rectangular size. I will have a home theatare configuration in this room. There will be nothing else in this room apart from a home theatare and sitting arrangements.This room is a bed room converted into entertainment room hence it is a compact room with one door for entrance and one window.
3. I do not know how to post an attachement here as this is my first post but my room is rectangular with lenght as 15.5 feet and width 11.5. TV will be in one wall and sitting sofa will touch he opposite wall so the seating distance will be about 10-12 feet. Hence the rear/surrond speaker will be close to the sitting position(there will not be gap between the back wall and sofa)

4. I looked into aperion web site and the 10th anniversary home theatare system with 6B, 6C, 5DB and 10D looks good.

Is this configuration too much for size of my room. Would it feel heavy for this room size. Should I go with this or a lower configuration like 5B,5C and 4B which is part of 5B fusion SD pack). I will be using the home theatare for 60% TV/movie, 25% music and rest for gaming.

Please help to identify the right configuration as I an mew to this area and do not understand the technicalities.

Thank you for the help.
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post #4270 of 6535
7/26/10 at 6:13am
I found out how to attch an image. Here is my HT room lay out. I have indicated the possible location for speakers (5.1 system) as well.

I need to first determine the right system for me and then placement of speakers.

Thank you
Ben
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post #4271 of 6535
7/27/10 at 4:39pm
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Originally Posted by BenNicholas View Post

Dear All,

Have read through most of threads of last 3-4 months and found them very helpful.In process of finalizing Aperion system, please help(want to finalize before end of anniversary sell):

1. Need help in finalizing Aperion 5.1 speaker system. Here are the details
2. Room size 15.5 feet * 11.5 feet (about 178 sq feet total). This is an entertainment room, rectangular size. I will have a home theatare configuration in this room. There will be nothing else in this room apart from a home theatare and sitting arrangements.This room is a bed room converted into entertainment room hence it is a compact room with one door for entrance and one window.
3. I do not know how to post an attachement here as this is my first post but my room is rectangular with lenght as 15.5 feet and width 11.5. TV will be in one wall and sitting sofa will touch he opposite wall so the seating distance will be about 10-12 feet. Hence the rear/surrond speaker will be close to the sitting position(there will not be gap between the back wall and sofa)

4. I looked into aperion web site and the 10th anniversary home theatare system with 6B, 6C, 5DB and 10D looks good.

Is this configuration too much for size of my room. Would it feel heavy for this room size. Should I go with this or a lower configuration like 5B,5C and 4B which is part of 5B fusion SD pack). I will be using the home theatare for 60% TV/movie, 25% music and rest for gaming.

Please help to identify the right configuration as I an mew to this area and do not understand the technicalities.

Thank you for the help.

Hello Ben and welcome to the forum!

The 10th Anniversary system is a great deal, but it might be overkill for your size room and another thing to consider is that the 6Bs are fairly low in sensitivity and need a good amount of power to get the most out of them.

I would bet that in a room of that size that the 5B Fusion SD system would be plenty for your needs, although you might consider moving up to the 4Ts, as they would outperform the 5Bs for music. Although at that point you would be at $1759 and only $240 below the Anniversary package.

So here's how I would break it down:

If you want to get the most bang for your buck and will have an AVR of at least 120 wpc or so then get the Anniversary system.

If you don't think the 4Ts are worth for the bump in performance for the 25% music portion of your usage go for the 5B Fusion SD package, which is significantly cheaper than the Anniversary system.

If you do think that the step up to the 4Ts for music is going to be worth it and you also think that spending $240 more for a bigger package that you might not need in that space isn't the best idea then I'd go for a custom system of 4T/5C/4B/8D. You also might consider going up to the 4BPs if you buy before the sale ends this weekend as they provide a better surround effect and are only $50 more than the 4Bs right now.

Hope that helps but please let me know if you have any other questions!
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post #4272 of 6535
7/28/10 at 12:24am
Hi Jason,

Thank you so much for your suggestion. I researched through your Aperion website and read most of the thread in this forum and your customer service really rocks. Keep up the great work.

I have almost made up my mind for the customised set suggested by you. Will post further details soon.

Cheers,
Ben
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post #4273 of 6535
8/2/10 at 6:41am
Hey All!

I've got an Aperion crisis. I currently have a great lil systems consisting of 6Bs, 5C, and 5Bs.

My issue is, I'm moving into a place where the 6bs are just going to be too DEEP to fit in the place.

I'm assuming the 5Ts would fit, so I was thinking of selling off the 6Bs and moving to a 5T.

My question is, can anyone tell me the difference between the 6bs and 5t if they've heard both? They will be crossed with a HSU STF-2. (which may have to go also! lol)

Also, anyone interested in some mint 6Bs if it comes to that?

Thanks for any help!
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post #4274 of 6535
8/3/10 at 12:16pm
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Originally Posted by jwc13ac View Post

Hey All!

I've got an Aperion crisis. I currently have a great lil systems consisting of 6Bs, 5C, and 5Bs.

My issue is, I'm moving into a place where the 6bs are just going to be too DEEP to fit in the place.

I'm assuming the 5Ts would fit, so I was thinking of selling off the 6Bs and moving to a 5T.

My question is, can anyone tell me the difference between the 6bs and 5t if they've heard both? They will be crossed with a HSU STF-2. (which may have to go also! lol)

Also, anyone interested in some mint 6Bs if it comes to that?

Thanks for any help!

Hello Joe,

It's kind of a case of apples and oranges with those two speakers, the 5Ts have a fuller midrange and a broader soundfield, but the 6Bs have a little more bass and are an overall warmer speaker.

So if you don't mind a speaker that is a little brighter than the 6B then you should be happy with the 5Ts.

I would just mention that the 5T is only about two inches less deep than the 6B, but it isn't back ported so it can be a little closer to a rear wall.
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post #4275 of 6535
8/3/10 at 1:03pm
If I mount the 5DB's to the side and about two feet behind my listening position, what height should I mount them? Ceilings are about 9 feet.
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post #4276 of 6535
8/3/10 at 1:36pm
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Originally Posted by timosmith View Post

If I mount the 5DB's to the side and about two feet behind my listening position, what height should I mount them? Ceilings are about 9 feet.

I would suggest 6 to 7 ft.

Cheers
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post #4277 of 6535
8/3/10 at 3:22pm
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Originally Posted by dynaudio View Post

I would suggest 6 to 7 ft.

Cheers

Yep.
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post #4278 of 6535
8/5/10 at 3:22am
I am pretty excited to say that I am upgrading the system. Just placed an order for an Emo XPA-2 and XPA-5 as well as 2 Aperion 4Bs to make my system a 7.1 system!

Currently I am running 6Ts for LR, 6C center, 4Ts as side surround, and a Bravus 12D. All through a Denon AVR-990.

I can't wait to hear the 6Ts with the extra power of the XPA-2! I am going to use the Denon as a pre and let the XPA-5 handle the 6C and all the surrounds (4Ts and 4Bs).

Just wanted to share my excitement with the Aperion crowd. I already love my speakers, so I am sure I will be even more crazy about them after the goods arrive.
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post #4279 of 6535
8/5/10 at 9:39am
Just curious what other 6T owners set their crossover at? And if you use Audyssey or another auto calibration as opposed to manually calibrating?
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post #4280 of 6535
8/5/10 at 9:43am
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Originally Posted by RedCamaroZSS View Post

I am pretty excited to say that I am upgrading the system. Just placed an order for an Emo XPA-2 and XPA-5 as well as 2 Aperion 4Bs to make my system a 7.1 system!

Currently I am running 6Ts for LR, 6C center, 4Ts as side surround, and a Bravus 12D. All through a Denon AVR-990.

I can't wait to hear the 6Ts with the extra power of the XPA-2! I am going to use the Denon as a pre and let the XPA-5 handle the 6C and all the surrounds (4Ts and 4Bs).

Just wanted to share my excitement with the Aperion crowd. I already love my speakers, so I am sure I will be even more crazy about them after the goods arrive.

Awesome.... let us know how they sound and whether the outboard amps make a significant improvement. I really want to add an XPA-3 to my system so I would be curious.
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post #4281 of 6535
8/5/10 at 10:00am
Anyone out there already using the outdoor aperions? I'm curious how expansive a sound they project (rock a block party?). They state weather resistant but no mention whether they are waterproof. Thanks!
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post #4282 of 6535
8/5/10 at 11:09am
I cross my 6Ts at 40.... i alternate between 40 and 60, but mostly 40.
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post #4283 of 6535
8/5/10 at 11:14am
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Originally Posted by RedCamaroZSS View Post

I cross my 6Ts at 40.... i alternate between 40 and 60, but mostly 40.

wow... ive had mine at 80 based on audyssey settings. Do you auto calibrate or just set up everything manually?
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post #4284 of 6535
8/5/10 at 11:47am
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Originally Posted by Wryker View Post

Anyone out there already using the outdoor aperions? I'm curious how expansive a sound they project (rock a block party?). They state weather resistant but no mention whether they are waterproof. Thanks!

They are 89 dB sensitive so you should be able to get a decent level of sound to a large yard with no problem.

They are not waterproof though, we recommend placing them under an eave or having them otherwise partially protected from the elements.
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post #4285 of 6535
8/5/10 at 11:50am
Audyssey said to cross at 80 if i remember correctly. But i just changed it. I thought i remembered others were crossing at 60.
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post #4286 of 6535
8/5/10 at 3:36pm
Has anyone tuned in the 10D using Anti-Mode 8033? I am thinking about purchasing this and wondered about results.

Also wondering what would be best with movies and the 10D No lifting / lifting 15-25hz / lifting 25-35

Thanks!

http://www.dspeaker.com/en/products/...ode-8033.shtml
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post #4287 of 6535
8/5/10 at 4:27pm
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Originally Posted by mhdiab View Post

Has anyone tuned in the 10D using Anti-Mode 8033? I am thinking about purchasing this and wondered about results.

Also wondering what would be best with movies and the 10D No lifting / lifting 15-25hz / lifting 25-35

Thanks!

http://www.dspeaker.com/en/products/...ode-8033.shtml

Well....I have the 10D and the Anti-Mode but have not used them together. That said, I think both are excellent products and would have great synergy.

I use the 10D with my office stereo rig and find that the unit's resident PEQ is perfectly adequate. I use the 8033 with my HT and it manages a pair of SVS PB12-Plusses (which also have on-board single-band PEQ settings).

The lift you would or would not want to program into the 8033 depends upon your specific LF room modes. Measure it and see if it needs the lift. If you don't have an SPL meter, try winging it and see if you like the sound better or not with lift enabled. But because of inherent sub limitations, I would probably try only the 25/35 lift mode.

Either way...two excellent devices which I like very much.
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post #4288 of 6535
8/6/10 at 9:45am
mudslide - thanks a lot

Due to where I am in life (two fairly new kids mainly ) I just don't have the time to get into everything and measure and tweek etc. I can't wait for retirement - only 30 years to go - and I will be all over this stuff.

So the other question I have would be how "dumb" would it be to pair the 10D with a different subwoofer. I simply can't justify buying another 10D for a few years, but I have a subwoofer sitting. It was part of the HKTS10 (HTIB) set -- it is not bad it is a 150W HK subwoofer -- definately not as good as the 10D, but to me it was never bad.

As you run two subwoofers (I know they are the same so a bit easier) is it a hard setup to get right? Does the anti-mode help out at all with the fact that you got two subs?

Thanks!

Sorry if I went a little outside the thread
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post #4289 of 6535
8/7/10 at 8:08am
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Originally Posted by mhdiab View Post

mudslide - thanks a lot

Due to where I am in life (two fairly new kids mainly ) I just don't have the time to get into everything and measure and tweek etc. I can't wait for retirement - only 30 years to go - and I will be all over this stuff.

So the other question I have would be how "dumb" would it be to pair the 10D with a different subwoofer. I simply can't justify buying another 10D for a few years, but I have a subwoofer sitting. It was part of the HKTS10 (HTIB) set -- it is not bad it is a 150W HK subwoofer -- definately not as good as the 10D, but to me it was never bad.

As you run two subwoofers (I know they are the same so a bit easier) is it a hard setup to get right? Does the anti-mode help out at all with the fact that you got two subs?

Thanks!

Sorry if I went a little outside the thread

I would personally not use the HTIB sub. It will not keep up with the 10D and you'll just be introducing LF distortion into the mix.

You can get a pretty flat FR in most rooms with just one sub and the Anti-Mode. If you don't have an SPL meter, I would not use the sub's on-board PEQ, as you don't know what frequency or Q to push or cut. Just let the automatic 8033 do it's thing.

Eventually, put those two kids of yours to work mowing lawns and contributing to dad's Sub Fund! () Then get a second 10D and RS SPL meter and you'll be all set!

By the way, multiple subs is most definitely the way to go. You'll find that room modes are generally much more easily defeated with (not co-located) multiple subs. And have I said that "there is no such thing as too much subwoofer power"?

Lastly...retirement IS all it's cracked up to be!
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post #4290 of 6535
8/9/10 at 9:51am
Thanks for the reply

Actually did get a SPL meter with the subwoofer but I ended up hooking it in, changing volume setting movie mode and haven't touched it since.

Not sure how good the EQ in the subwoofer is and what else I need. Think I will do the manual as reading tonight instead of watching something on the TV
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