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post #4291 of 6535
8/15/10 at 8:09am
Any of you guys do an aperion system with another sub? I am currently looking at doing the 4t-cb hybrid but with either an svs pb12-nsd or hsu vtf-3 mk3. My living room is about 13.5 x 14 with and opening to the kitchen and a smaller opening to a small hallway. My system will be mainly for movies and gaming. Very little music.
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post #4292 of 6535
8/15/10 at 9:05am
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Originally Posted by termin8ted3148 View Post

Any of you guys do an aperion system with another sub? I am currently looking at doing the 4t-cb hybrid but with either an svs pb12-nsd or hsu vtf-3 mk3. My living room is about 13.5 x 14 with and opening to the kitchen and a smaller opening to a small hallway. My system will be mainly for movies and gaming. Very little music.

Sure. Works great (HSU ULS-15). You don't have to worry about matching tweeters when mix & matching subs/speakers. Completely happy with Aperion & HSU- both have given me great service and answered all my questions.
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post #4293 of 6535
8/15/10 at 10:48am
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Originally Posted by termin8ted3148 View Post

Any of you guys do an aperion system with another sub? I am currently looking at doing the 4t-cb hybrid but with either an svs pb12-nsd or hsu vtf-3 mk3. My living room is about 13.5 x 14 with and opening to the kitchen and a smaller opening to a small hallway. My system will be mainly for movies and gaming. Very little music.

Here is a thread I started along those lines.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1269349

Quick answer, no you do not need to match subs, but the Aperion subs have their merits and place in any system.
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post #4294 of 6535
8/16/10 at 10:45am
I am happy with the pairing of 6Ts, 6C with a Hsu VTF 2 MK 3, in a room that is 13 X 25 X 8.
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post #4295 of 6535
8/16/10 at 1:14pm
I have a question about Audyssey results.

I just re-ran Audyssey today after installing some new gear (Emotiva XPA-2, Emo Xpa-5, and Aperion 4Bs as rear surrounds to complete my 7.1 system)

Here is my list of gear:
Receiver: Denon AVR-990 (used as a pre)
Amps: Emo XPA-2 for front mains, Emo XPA-5 for center and surrounds
Front stage: 6T for left and right, 6C center
Surround: 4T for left and right just above ear height on stands
Rear Surround: 4B x2 mounted 7 ft high aiming downwards
Subwoofer: Bravus 12D x1

Ran Audyssey with everything in postion, silent house.
Results:
Front Main: (Large) Full Band
Center: (small) 40 hz
Surround: (small) 40 hz
Rear Surround: (small) 110 hz

Do those seem correct for my speakers?
I thought the front main should be set to small no matter what. I was guessing the crossovers should be
6T: 60 hz
6C: 60 or 80 hz
4T: 80 hz
4B: 100 or 120 hz

Any help would be much appreciated. I just want to make sure I am getting the most out of all the gear. It does sound outstanding so far.
Thanks!!!
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post #4296 of 6535
8/16/10 at 3:39pm
RedCamaroZSS,

Sweet set up! Let me know what you think of the Emotiva. That may be my next addition.

I'm not an expert. I'm pretty sure the folks at Aperion recommend skipping Audyssey, MCACC, etc. They say to go with manual settings with SPL. I think they feel the automated systems aren't always accurate.

I do have one setting I saved with MCACC just for the heck of it. That did set the fronts to Large, but I went in and changed them to Small. I am currently auditioning 6T, 5C, 5-DB, and 10D.

THX recommends everything set to Small with Xover of 80. That's pretty much what I follow. However, others will say go with what sounds best to you.

I've been playing around with different settings. Fronts as Large + sub, everything else Small; the THX recommendation; Fronts Large w Sub and Plus setting on the sub, etc. So far, I prefer THX. Sometimes, fronts as Large everything else Small w/ Sub. With 2 channel music I typically cut the sub and and surrounds and run fronts as Large. Every now and then I have a 2.1 mix and will throw the sub in.

My Pioneer Elite SC-05 has a crappy Xover in that all speakers have to have the same crossover and it drops from 80 down to 50. I would like to try 60, but it doesn't have that option.

Not sure if that helps. Maybe some of the experts will chime in.

Blue
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post #4297 of 6535
8/17/10 at 11:21am
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Originally Posted by RedCamaroZSS View Post

I have a question about Audyssey results.

I just re-ran Audyssey today after installing some new gear (Emotiva XPA-2, Emo Xpa-5, and Aperion 4Bs as rear surrounds to complete my 7.1 system)

Here is my list of gear:
Receiver: Denon AVR-990 (used as a pre)
Amps: Emo XPA-2 for front mains, Emo XPA-5 for center and surrounds
Front stage: 6T for left and right, 6C center
Surround: 4T for left and right just above ear height on stands
Rear Surround: 4B x2 mounted 7 ft high aiming downwards
Subwoofer: Bravus 12D x1

Ran Audyssey with everything in postion, silent house.
Results:
Front Main: (Large) Full Band
Center: (small) 40 hz
Surround: (small) 40 hz
Rear Surround: (small) 110 hz

Do those seem correct for my speakers?
I thought the front main should be set to small no matter what. I was guessing the crossovers should be
6T: 60 hz
6C: 60 or 80 hz
4T: 80 hz
4B: 100 or 120 hz

Any help would be much appreciated. I just want to make sure I am getting the most out of all the gear. It does sound outstanding so far.
Thanks!!!

I recommend 100 Hz for the 4Bs and 60 or 80 for the 6C and 80 for the 4Ts in the surround position.

As for the 6Ts I would experiment with 40, 60 and 80 and see what you like best.

Hope that helps!
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post #4298 of 6535
8/17/10 at 11:27am
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Originally Posted by RedCamaroZSS View Post

I have a question about Audyssey results.

I just re-ran Audyssey today after installing some new gear (Emotiva XPA-2, Emo Xpa-5, and Aperion 4Bs as rear surrounds to complete my 7.1 system)

Here is my list of gear:
Receiver: Denon AVR-990 (used as a pre)
Amps: Emo XPA-2 for front mains, Emo XPA-5 for center and surrounds
Front stage: 6T for left and right, 6C center
Surround: 4T for left and right just above ear height on stands
Rear Surround: 4B x2 mounted 7 ft high aiming downwards
Subwoofer: Bravus 12D x1

Ran Audyssey with everything in postion, silent house.
Results:
Front Main: (Large) Full Band
Center: (small) 40 hz
Surround: (small) 40 hz
Rear Surround: (small) 110 hz

Do those seem correct for my speakers?
I thought the front main should be set to small no matter what. I was guessing the crossovers should be
6T: 60 hz
6C: 60 or 80 hz
4T: 80 hz
4B: 100 or 120 hz

Any help would be much appreciated. I just want to make sure I am getting the most out of all the gear. It does sound outstanding so far.
Thanks!!!

The receiver is actually making the crossover decisions based on input from Audyssey. It is safe to raise the crossover level. I have 5Ts and raised the level to 80Hz (it was detected at either 40 or 60Hz).

Check the official Audyssey thread at http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=795421
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post #4299 of 6535
8/17/10 at 2:11pm
Thanks for the feedback. I will try changing things and see if I notice improvement. One thing that I did notice from re-running Audyssey is that the volume is now set at -5 where before it was -0.5 I think for the mains. Could that be from the 6T breaking in over the past 10 months and producing more sound?
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post #4300 of 6535
8/17/10 at 2:32pm
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Originally Posted by RedCamaroZSS View Post

Thanks for the feedback. I will try changing things and see if I notice improvement. One thing that I did notice from re-running Audyssey is that the volume is now set at -5 where before it was -0.5 I think for the mains. Could that be from the 6T breaking in over the past 10 months and producing more sound?

I would tend to think that the different setting is mostly due to mic placement, even a few inches can make a big difference.

Either that or perhaps there are different objects in the room now.
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post #4301 of 6535
8/21/10 at 11:19pm
I purchased my set of Aperion speakers little over 3 weeks ago. The set consist of the following:
  • pair of 6B - L/R
  • Pair of 5DB - Surrounds
  • 1 6C - Center
  • 1 10D - subwoofer
  • Receiver - Pioneer Elite SC37

Well, my system was fine for about 2 1/2 weeks. I don't use it every day so there could be a period of time where I go without listening to it for 3-4 days in a row. Few days ago, after not listening to it for several days, I fired up to watch a movie. I noticed that the sound was kind of "muddied". It wasn't as clear as it was before. I had not touched anything on the receiver. All the settings, wires, etc were the same as before, however the sound was not as clear. I reran the MCACC on my receiver hoping that it would solve the problem but it hasn't. The problem seems to be the center speaker (6C) where the sound is not as clear as it used to be.

The dialogue of movies sound muddied. The sound is not very crisp. It's hard for me to explain the sound. The "S" in the movie dialogue doesn't sound clear as my cheap Sony HT speakers that this unit replaced. Kinda sounds like something is holding the center speaker back. I am not sure what could be causing this? Could it be a bad speaker? How can I trouble shoot and find out what the issue is. Has anyone else ever experienced this issue?

Any info is greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
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post #4302 of 6535
8/22/10 at 5:32am
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Originally Posted by RezaR1 View Post

I purchased my set of Aperion speakers little over 3 weeks ago. The set consist of the following:
  • pair of 6B - L/R
  • Pair of 5DB - Surrounds
  • 1 6C - Center
  • 1 10D - subwoofer
  • Receiver - Pioneer Elite SC37

Well, my system was fine for about 2 1/2 weeks. I don't use it every day so there could be a period of time where I go without listening to it for 3-4 days in a row. Few days ago, after not listening to it for several days, I fired up to watch a movie. I noticed that the sound was kind of "muddied". It wasn't as clear as it was before. I had not touched anything on the receiver. All the settings, wires, etc were the same as before, however the sound was not as clear. I reran the MCACC on my receiver hoping that it would solve the problem but it hasn't. The problem seems to be the center speaker (6C) where the sound is not as clear as it used to be.

The dialogue of movies sound muddied. The sound is not very crisp. It's hard for me to explain the sound. The "S" in the movie dialogue doesn't sound clear as my cheap Sony HT speakers that this unit replaced. Kinda sounds like something is holding the center speaker back. I am not sure what could be causing this? Could it be a bad speaker? How can I trouble shoot and find out what the issue is. Has anyone else ever experienced this issue?

Any info is greatly appreciated.
Thanks,

Couple of suggestions

Take the grill off and if you AVR can output a white noise sound have it do so and then put your ear next to the tweeter on the 6c. Compare that to the sound of the 6b tweeter.

Go into your AVR and turn off the center then see if the dialog is clear.

Cheers
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post #4303 of 6535
8/22/10 at 4:21pm
What kind of receiver do I need to power the 6Bs? Will something with 100watts be enough, or do I need to go to 130 watts, or do I need to go to a secondary amp?

If I need the secondary amp, I have no clue what to get beyond the prescribed "emotiva" brand. Do the watts "add,: so this UPA-2 that does 125 watts @ 8ohms will give me 225 watts with a 100watt receiver? Does it even matter that I am asking this question, will adding in the UPA-2 do the trick (or the Onkyo 282, as it is only 200 on amazon)?

A little more info: I am thinking of getting the 6B's for front L/R, the 4C for center, the 4B's for back L/R, and the 8A sub since there is a cheap, refurbished model on the website. I want the 6Bs because I think it would play Led Zeppelin better than anything except the 6T's, which I don't have the money for. And while music will be my main priority, I will also use the system for gaming and the occasional movie, which is why I don't want a simple stereo setup. I started off considering the mordaunt short alumni 2 system, but the speakers seemed so tiny; I didn't think I would be able to fill my room (~ 22x15 with high ceilings around 11 feet high).

I'm really worried about the power requirements for the 6Bs, as I don't want to spend an extra 400-500 dollars simply to power speakers that are slightly beefier than the 5Bs. Unfortunately, that may be necessary, which is making me wonder if I should consider other options. Hopefully I figure this out soon, because I don't want to miss out on A) the Aug 31 sale deadline, and B) I need to have my system in place for Halo Reach on the 14th (yes, really).
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post #4304 of 6535
8/23/10 at 5:01pm
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Originally Posted by RezaR1 View Post

I purchased my set of Aperion speakers little over 3 weeks ago. The set consist of the following:
  • pair of 6B - L/R
  • Pair of 5DB - Surrounds
  • 1 6C - Center
  • 1 10D - subwoofer
  • Receiver - Pioneer Elite SC37

Well, my system was fine for about 2 1/2 weeks. I don't use it every day so there could be a period of time where I go without listening to it for 3-4 days in a row. Few days ago, after not listening to it for several days, I fired up to watch a movie. I noticed that the sound was kind of "muddied". It wasn't as clear as it was before. I had not touched anything on the receiver. All the settings, wires, etc were the same as before, however the sound was not as clear. I reran the MCACC on my receiver hoping that it would solve the problem but it hasn't. The problem seems to be the center speaker (6C) where the sound is not as clear as it used to be.

The dialogue of movies sound muddied. The sound is not very crisp. It's hard for me to explain the sound. The "S" in the movie dialogue doesn't sound clear as my cheap Sony HT speakers that this unit replaced. Kinda sounds like something is holding the center speaker back. I am not sure what could be causing this? Could it be a bad speaker? How can I trouble shoot and find out what the issue is. Has anyone else ever experienced this issue?

Any info is greatly appreciated.
Thanks,

Sorry to hear about the trouble with the 6C. Dynaudio's suggestion is a good one, another thing you can do is to press gently on the center of the 6C's and 6B's woofers so you can listen to the tweeters by themselves.

If it sounds like you are getting reduced output from the tweeter in comparison with what you are getting from the 6Bs, then please give us a call and we can swap out the 6C for you.

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Originally Posted by RHDftw View Post

What kind of receiver do I need to power the 6Bs? Will something with 100watts be enough, or do I need to go to 130 watts, or do I need to go to a secondary amp?

If I need the secondary amp, I have no clue what to get beyond the prescribed "emotiva" brand. Do the watts "add,: so this UPA-2 that does 125 watts @ 8ohms will give me 225 watts with a 100watt receiver? Does it even matter that I am asking this question, will adding in the UPA-2 do the trick (or the Onkyo 282, as it is only 200 on amazon)?

A little more info: I am thinking of getting the 6B's for front L/R, the 4C for center, the 4B's for back L/R, and the 8A sub since there is a cheap, refurbished model on the website. I want the 6Bs because I think it would play Led Zeppelin better than anything except the 6T's, which I don't have the money for. And while music will be my main priority, I will also use the system for gaming and the occasional movie, which is why I don't want a simple stereo setup. I started off considering the mordaunt short alumni 2 system, but the speakers seemed so tiny; I didn't think I would be able to fill my room (~ 22x15 with high ceilings around 11 feet high).

I'm really worried about the power requirements for the 6Bs, as I don't want to spend an extra 400-500 dollars simply to power speakers that are slightly beefier than the 5Bs. Unfortunately, that may be necessary, which is making me wonder if I should consider other options. Hopefully I figure this out soon, because I don't want to miss out on A) the Aug 31 sale deadline, and B) I need to have my system in place for Halo Reach on the 14th (yes, really).

Hello there,

I don't think that a 100 watt/channel receiver will be enough to really drive the 6Bs well in a space of that size.

But no if you use a power amp you are no longer powering the speakers with the pre-amp. However 125 wpc from a power amp should be a sizable step up from an AVR w/ 100 wpc in terms of current and the UPA-2 should drive the 6Bs fairly well.

So if you do go with the 6Bs I'd either get the UPA-2 or a beefier AVR like an 800 series Onkyo or a 3300 series Denon.

I would also add that when properly powered there is a pretty sizable bump in terms of midrange and bass from the 6Bs over the 5Bs.

However if you don't want to add an amp or get a more powerful AVR you might consider a third option, the more sensitive 4T which should do pretty well in that space with a 100 wpc AVR.

Hope that helps!
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post #4305 of 6535
8/23/10 at 5:23pm
I'm sure it's been asked before but I can't find the answer...if I were to get a pair of the 6Ts, would a 5C "match" or do I have to go with a 6C? Due to space limitations with the center I'm trying to decide on a 5T, 5C setup or 6T, 5C setup for the front 3 in a 100% home theater setup.
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post #4306 of 6535
8/23/10 at 6:30pm
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Originally Posted by brucefan View Post

I'm sure it's been asked before but I can't find the answer...if I were to get a pair of the 6Ts, would a 5C "match" or do I have to go with a 6C? Due to space limitations with the center I'm trying to decide on a 5T, 5C setup or 6T, 5C setup for the front 3 in a 100% home theater setup.

Yes, you can go with a 5C. All Aperions have the same tweeter. I have the 5C, and it is great. However, if you can do the 6C.......
I would have, but WAF was not going for it.
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post #4307 of 6535
8/23/10 at 6:36pm
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Originally Posted by scottiemon View Post

Yes, you can go with a 5C. All Aperions have the same tweeter. I have the 5C, and it is great. However, if you can do the 6C.......
I would have, but WAF was not going for it.

The trick is don't tell the wife there are two options.
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post #4308 of 6535
8/24/10 at 11:39am
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Originally Posted by scottiemon View Post

Yes, you can go with a 5C. All Aperions have the same tweeter. I have the 5C, and it is great. However, if you can do the 6C.......
I would have, but WAF was not going for it.

Ha! I'm going through that same issue now. Plus, I think the 6C will block part of the bottom of the plasma screen. We have the 5C sitting on the console in front of the TV. I went ahead and ordered a 6C, if I notice a big difference over the 5C, I'll make it fit.

I'm hunting for items now to put under the plasma stand to raise it an 1.25" or so. I may cut some wood to the size of my plasma base and finish it in black to put under there. That way it won't be so noticeable. I found some felt on rubber protectors that go under table legs, etc. They stack pretty well and may stack some under the 4 corners of the base. That will leave a big gap though. However, with the 6C in front and the 6Ts on the ends of the console a lot will be blocked anyway.

Blue

I think I found my solution! They cut to order and have it in black. I'm thinking it will blend in nicely.
http://www.thecuttingboardfactory.com/
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post #4309 of 6535
8/24/10 at 5:38pm
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Originally Posted by synfinatic View Post

The trick is don't tell the wife there are two options.

Crap, where were you a few years ago! I guess I am a victim of my honesty. I can't complain though. I said, Honey, I want to spend 3K on a sound system. And she said OK, but the speakers have to be on the wall, and not to big. So, four 5B, a 5C, and 12D it is! She was pissed about the 12D at first, then we watched Casino Royal on Blu. End of story.
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post #4310 of 6535
8/25/10 at 6:37pm
I had never heard of Aperion before last night. I just happened to be on CNET looking at surround systems (specifically Def Tech ProCinema 800). The picture of the 4T Hybrid SD in the cherry wood caught my attention so I clicked on it. I saw that the price wasn't so bad so I went into research mode. I have to say that finish of the product, the personal customer service, care of packaging, money back guarantee, and free shipping really makes Aperion a company I want to do business with.

I am researching my first surround system (second "stereo" system). I bought one with big floor speakers and all that good stuff when I was in high school about 13 years, but haven't used the system or even had it hooked up in probably 6 years. So this is all new to me again.

Right now I'm looking at a few different options or size of system and would like some opinions on them. While I don't have a budget all are pushing the limit that I'm comfortable spending on a system. These are going into a bedroom that is about 13 x 17 (I think, possibly slightly bigger). It will be paired with a 42" LCD TV and used for music and movies.

I'm pretty set on the Pioneer VSX-1020 it has received great reviews from most people. It's a 110 watt per channel receiver. I could opt for the VSX-1120, but I'm not sure that the 10 watt per channel extra is worth the $200 premium. The two Aperion systems I am deliberating on are the 4B Harmony and the 4T Hybrid. I would be getting 31" stands for any satelite speakers. So if I go with the 4B system i will be buying 4 stands and spending $200. So really if I go with 4T it's only an extra $300 because I will only need one stand set. I like the idea of having some tower speakers again and I love the thin look of the 4T.

I see that the power range limit is 150w for both the 4B and 4T, so will the 110w be enough? How much difference will the 120w make? Being that these will be in a bedroom environment I have no intention of really cranking the volume.

Right now my options are as follows (unless others post some suggestions) all prices are without all the accessories that will be the same for all options:

Pioneer VSX-1020 with Intimus 4B Harmony SD ($1930 +/-)
Pioneer VSX-1020 with Intimus 4T Hybrid SD ($2220 +/-)
Pioneer VSX-1120 with Intimus 4B Harmony SD ($2130 +/-)
Pioneer VSX-1120 with Intimus 4T Hybrid SD ($2420 +/-)

I'm leaning towards the 1020 with 4T Hybrid, but I would like others opinions especially on matching the Aperion speakers with a receiver that provides the proper power.
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post #4311 of 6535
8/26/10 at 4:51am
Do you guys think that the 633t's 533t's and the 634VAC still hold up today? I just wanted to know what you guys think. Would you upgrade?
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post #4312 of 6535
8/26/10 at 5:05am
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Originally Posted by jarablue View Post

Do you guys think that the 633t's 533t's and the 634VAC still hold up today? I just wanted to know what you guys think. Would you upgrade?

I haven't had the opportunity to compare the two. This reviewer touches on it a little. Blue

http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazin...n_audio_6t.htm
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post #4313 of 6535
8/26/10 at 6:04am
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Originally Posted by MaidenUSA View Post

I had never heard of Aperion before last night. I just happened to be on CNET looking at surround systems (specifically Def Tech ProCinema 800). The picture of the 4T Hybrid SD in the cherry wood caught my attention so I clicked on it. I saw that the price wasn't so bad so I went into research mode. I have to say that finish of the product, the personal customer service, care of packaging, money back guarantee, and free shipping really makes Aperion a company I want to do business with.

I am researching my first surround system (second "stereo" system). I bought one with big floor speakers and all that good stuff when I was in high school about 13 years, but haven't used the system or even had it hooked up in probably 6 years. So this is all new to me again.

Right now I'm looking at a few different options or size of system and would like some opinions on them. While I don't have a budget all are pushing the limit that I'm comfortable spending on a system. These are going into a bedroom that is about 13 x 17 (I think, possibly slightly bigger). It will be paired with a 42" LCD TV and used for music and movies.

I'm pretty set on the Pioneer VSX-1020 it has received great reviews from most people. It's a 110 watt per channel receiver. I could opt for the VSX-1120, but I'm not sure that the 10 watt per channel extra is worth the $200 premium. The two Aperion systems I am deliberating on are the 4B Harmony and the 4T Hybrid. I would be getting 31" stands for any satelite speakers. So if I go with the 4B system i will be buying 4 stands and spending $200. So really if I go with 4T it's only an extra $300 because I will only need one stand set. I like the idea of having some tower speakers again and I love the thin look of the 4T.

I see that the power range limit is 150w for both the 4B and 4T, so will the 110w be enough? How much difference will the 120w make? Being that these will be in a bedroom environment I have no intention of really cranking the volume.

Right now my options are as follows (unless others post some suggestions) all prices are without all the accessories that will be the same for all options:

Pioneer VSX-1020 with Intimus 4B Harmony SD ($1930 +/-)
Pioneer VSX-1020 with Intimus 4T Hybrid SD ($2220 +/-)
Pioneer VSX-1120 with Intimus 4B Harmony SD ($2130 +/-)
Pioneer VSX-1120 with Intimus 4T Hybrid SD ($2420 +/-)

I'm leaning towards the 1020 with 4T Hybrid, but I would like others opinions especially on matching the Aperion speakers with a receiver that provides the proper power.

In case you did not know this, the price is the same if you get a pre-configured systems or if you pick and choose individual components.

I have 2 4Ts, a 4C and an 8D sub. I am going to pick up either 4Bs or 4DBs this winter when I will have time to run cables up through the attic and down the walls. The 4Ts are very nice and I would suggest you go with them for fronts. 110 watts will be plenty of power for them. I assume since you are going with a 42" set you will be sitting fairly close during movies so you should be fine. I follow a rule when I shop for TVs, I research, shop around, decide on the one I want, then I buy the next bigger one. I am always glad I did. This last time I was going to get a 42 but brought home the 47.

Cheers
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post #4314 of 6535
8/26/10 at 7:40am
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Originally Posted by dynaudio View Post

In case you did not know this, the price is the same if you get a pre-configured systems or if you pick and choose individual components.

I have 2 4Ts, a 4C and an 8D sub. I am going to pick up either 4Bs or 4DBs this winter when I will have time to run cables up through the attic and down the walls. The 4Ts are very nice and I would suggest you go with them for fronts. 110 watts will be plenty of power for them. I assume since you are going with a 42" set you will be sitting fairly close during movies so you should be fine. I follow a rule when I shop for TVs, I research, shop around, decide on the one I want, then I buy the next bigger one. I am always glad I did. This last time I was going to get a 42 but brought home the 47.

Cheers

There's also a 4C Cherry on Open Box right now that would save you a few bucks.
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post #4315 of 6535
8/26/10 at 3:44pm
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Originally Posted by dynaudio View Post

In case you did not know this, the price is the same if you get a pre-configured systems or if you pick and choose individual components.

I have 2 4Ts, a 4C and an 8D sub. I am going to pick up either 4Bs or 4DBs this winter when I will have time to run cables up through the attic and down the walls. The 4Ts are very nice and I would suggest you go with them for fronts. 110 watts will be plenty of power for them. I assume since you are going with a 42" set you will be sitting fairly close during movies so you should be fine. I follow a rule when I shop for TVs, I research, shop around, decide on the one I want, then I buy the next bigger one. I am always glad I did. This last time I was going to get a 42 but brought home the 47.

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I did notice that the price was the same if I get the individual components, and was actually thinking on the way home from work of possibly getting the 4T and 4C now, and then going back and getting the surrounds later.

I already have the 42" TV. I got it about in Jan '09 I think (maybe '08). sometimes I watch it while in bed and other times I will sit at the foot of the bed and watch. I don't really have a set spot where I watch. The furthest away from the TV screen that I will be is 15', but usually around 10'.
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post #4316 of 6535
8/26/10 at 3:47pm
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There's also a 4C Cherry on Open Box right now that would save you a few bucks.

While I think that the cherry finish on the speakers is gorgeous and looks so much cooler than the black, I think I'm going to have to go with black. I really wanted to get the wood finish, but it's just too hard to get it to work with the current wood furniture that I have. Black on the other hand goes with just about anything.
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post #4317 of 6535
8/26/10 at 4:12pm
And the company is as good to deal with as your reading suggests.

I am only part way through building my system, but I have really enjoyed buying from them.
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post #4318 of 6535
8/26/10 at 4:16pm
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I had never heard of Aperion before last night. I just happened to be on CNET looking at surround systems (specifically Def Tech ProCinema 800). The picture of the 4T Hybrid SD in the cherry wood caught my attention so I clicked on it. I saw that the price wasn't so bad so I went into research mode. I have to say that finish of the product, the personal customer service, care of packaging, money back guarantee, and free shipping really makes Aperion a company I want to do business with.

I am researching my first surround system (second "stereo" system). I bought one with big floor speakers and all that good stuff when I was in high school about 13 years, but haven't used the system or even had it hooked up in probably 6 years. So this is all new to me again.

Right now I'm looking at a few different options or size of system and would like some opinions on them. While I don't have a budget all are pushing the limit that I'm comfortable spending on a system. These are going into a bedroom that is about 13 x 17 (I think, possibly slightly bigger). It will be paired with a 42" LCD TV and used for music and movies.

I'm pretty set on the Pioneer VSX-1020 it has received great reviews from most people. It's a 110 watt per channel receiver. I could opt for the VSX-1120, but I'm not sure that the 10 watt per channel extra is worth the $200 premium. The two Aperion systems I am deliberating on are the 4B Harmony and the 4T Hybrid. I would be getting 31" stands for any satelite speakers. So if I go with the 4B system i will be buying 4 stands and spending $200. So really if I go with 4T it's only an extra $300 because I will only need one stand set. I like the idea of having some tower speakers again and I love the thin look of the 4T.

I see that the power range limit is 150w for both the 4B and 4T, so will the 110w be enough? How much difference will the 120w make? Being that these will be in a bedroom environment I have no intention of really cranking the volume.

Right now my options are as follows (unless others post some suggestions) all prices are without all the accessories that will be the same for all options:

Pioneer VSX-1020 with Intimus 4B Harmony SD ($1930 +/-)
Pioneer VSX-1020 with Intimus 4T Hybrid SD ($2220 +/-)
Pioneer VSX-1120 with Intimus 4B Harmony SD ($2130 +/-)
Pioneer VSX-1120 with Intimus 4T Hybrid SD ($2420 +/-)

I'm leaning towards the 1020 with 4T Hybrid, but I would like others opinions especially on matching the Aperion speakers with a receiver that provides the proper power.

Hello there,

Not a huge fan of the 1020 myself, I would encourage you to do some searching about how it bench tested with all channels driven and I'm not sure if the 1120 is much better.

I'd recommend a receiver with a better amp section like a Denon or Onkyo.

Hope that helps!
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post #4319 of 6535
8/26/10 at 6:49pm
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Hello there,

Not a huge fan of the 1020 myself, I would encourage you to do some searching about how it bench tested with all channels driven and I'm not sure if the 1120 is much better.

I'd recommend a receiver with a better amp section like a Denon or Onkyo.

Hope that helps!

Since I'm a noob, can you elaborate a little on the "better amp section"? I have heard that Denon has decreased in quality in recent years and that Onkyo runs very hot. The bedroom that the system will be located in is already pretty hot most of the time, so anything to keep the heat to a minimum would be good. I just looked at the Onkyo 807 which seems to have a lot of features for the price, but I don't care for the aesthetics of the receiver. One of the main aspects to my decision of the system is the looks (as I said that was what initially caught my attention with the Aperion system).

I have been searching for the power bench tests, but really can't find anything. Can you suggest some specific model amps that would compliment the Aperion system I am looking at, that would be in the price range of the Pioneer 1020 and 1120?
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post #4320 of 6535
8/27/10 at 9:53am
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Since I'm a noob, can you elaborate a little on the "better amp section"? I have heard that Denon has decreased in quality in recent years and that Onkyo runs very hot. The bedroom that the system will be located in is already pretty hot most of the time, so anything to keep the heat to a minimum would be good. I just looked at the Onkyo 807 which seems to have a lot of features for the price, but I don't care for the aesthetics of the receiver. One of the main aspects to my decision of the system is the looks (as I said that was what initially caught my attention with the Aperion system).

I have been searching for the power bench tests, but really can't find anything. Can you suggest some specific model amps that would compliment the Aperion system I am looking at, that would be in the price range of the Pioneer 1020 and 1120?

I would recommend a denon 2310, which is last years model, but can be found at a great price online and in the same range you are looking at. If you like pioneer you should look for a lower model elite VSX-21txh/23txh. The only caution with that would be that last years models are not 3d capable if youre into that. I personally have a denon 3310 which is great for my 6t's and 5c.
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