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post #4531 of 6860
BESLC, I am also wondering about the speaker feet on hardwood floors.


IZETECI, Thank you so much for the feedback. It is great to hear thoughts on how they sound, especially how they compare to the 6T. I'm glad you are enjoying the new sound.


blacksheepvictor, thank you for posting the pics. I'm wiping the drool off of my keyboard right now.
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post #4534 of 6860
The kit comes with spikes and little discs with a rubber pad glued to the bottom. I have tile so I tried the spikes with the pads but the rubber portion of the pad kept separating from the disc. Now I'm not using anything. I might go to HomeDepot and buy some little glue on rubber feet. Right now it's not an issue.


post #4535 of 6860
Taking the grills off was not fun. They are held on by magnets and are very snug. I had to use a combination of butter knifes paper towels and business cards. Scary process.



post #4536 of 6860
The grills are a perforated metal covered in cloth. Very trick and now will protect the speakers from my son's pokey little fingers.

post #4537 of 6860
The center comes with two rubber feet that you can use anyway you see fit.

post #4538 of 6860
Quote:
Originally Posted by IZETECI View Post

blacksheepvictor - nice pictures...

I'm glad you are enjoying the new speakers. I also think the Verus speakers are a big jump up from the 6Ts and 6C.

Sorry I'm still a newbie so this is my first attempt to do a write up.

I started out at Aperion doing initial a/b comparisons switching back and forth between the 6Ts and VGTs. I just wanted to refresh my ears of that the old speakers sounded like. I brought my Dad along for a second opinion.
We both agreed that the VGTs were a huge improvement in Aperion's speaker offering.
Let me make of most of my comments about my at home experience.
I think Aperion's listening room is very dead, flat but accurate.


I think my first impression when listening to both speakers was that the 6Ts seem to be lacking space between the highs-mids-lows. Everything sounds like it is squished into the mids with slight high and bass notes here and there. The VGTs are very open and effortless filling in the whole spectrum of sound.

For example I really didn't like listening to rock/heavy rock with the 6Ts. I find that most rock recordings are already full of upper mids and the 6Ts sort of magnified this frequency range making the music very fatiguing on my ears.

Moving into the VGTs not only was the sound stage more open, but I felt the way the speakers reproduced the whole spectrum was very amazing. The way these speaker handle voices is a dream. Especially listening to something like Norah Jones I sat back, closed my eyes and it just made me smile and felt like she was singing in my living room. I would classify them as much more musical then the 6Ts.

I wanted to make a special comment about people talking about the loss of some of the lower bass on the new towers. Yes the 6Ts are rated to a lower frequency but do not write of the VGTs. I always used a sub with the 6Ts when listening to music, mostly to reinforce the lower frequencies.
Keep in mind I only have a few hours of break in but the bass on the VGTs is out of this world for me. I turned off my sub and just ran them in full for testing. To get things going I started Boom Boom Pow by Black Eyed Peas for it busy synth parts and heavy bass........sorry I had to grab my jaw off the floor. Not only did I not need a sub but the bass response of the VGTs could be heard and felt. I spent a lot of time listening to the 6Ts yes they could produce some nice low notes but I never felt like I could feel the lower notes. I'm not a huge bass nut; I mostly like it to be balanced with the entire sound.
I listened to a variety of music and each song was a rediscovery. The VGTs have wonderful separation. You can easily hear all instruments playing there parts of the songs yet the presentation of the whole is smooth, open harmony.
I wish I knew how to describe the pace, attach, resolveblah blah blah but I just don't have the experienced ear of a professional
All I can say is that for only a $204 per speaker cost increase moving to the new Verus towers is a no brainer. To me the jump from the 6T to VGT is like going from the 4B to the 6T.night and day.
Also I don't want to forget to mention that the new VGC is an equal jump up.

Sorry for the scattered thoughts. Let me put in some more time and try and focus my write up and I will most some more lately.
The new bookshelf speakers are pretty amazing as well. I would say they are as good or better then the 5Ts and would be fun to put up against the 6Bs.

More later..

Well put. Like I said before I'm not good at describing what my ears tell me. But, The more I listen to these, WOW!!!!!!!!!!! I love them. Love Love Love.
post #4539 of 6860
Blacksheepvictor,


Your time and photos are greatly appreciated. Are you getting any vibration from the feet against the tile? Looking at the photos,I think I personally would opt to put something on the bare metal if the speaker was placed on either hardwood or tile.

I am thinking a light felt on the feet might be a better option than rubber. I know Home Depot sells uncut sheets that you can cut to fit

Sorry one more question..what is the base material on the center channel speaker?

Again thank you for posting the great photos.
post #4540 of 6860
Quote:
Originally Posted by BESLC View Post

Blacksheepvictor,

Your time and photos are greatly appreciated. Are you getting any vibration from the feet against the tile? Looking at the photos,I think I personally would opt to put something on the bare metal if the speaker was placed on either hardwood or tile.

I am thinking a light felt on the feet might be a better option than rubber. I know Home Depot sells uncut sheets that you can cut to fit

Sorry one more question..what is the base material on the center channel speaker?

Again thank you for posting the great photos.

BESLC

So far no vibration problems however I like you felt idea. The center has no feet attached to it. It comes with two rubber feet that you set down before place the center on them. I'll try to get a better picture later.
post #4541 of 6860
Blacksheepvictor

My thoughts on using felt were to protect the floor from being damaged, eliminate any vibration between the floor and speaker and to make moving the speaker much more user friendly. If you go that route let me know your thoughts...I have to wait for the next shipment in December to get the speakers.

On the Center channel you said it sits on a rubber base, does the base add any height to the speaker? The specs indicate 9", I am hoping that is total height as I found a cabinet that will "JUST' accommodate the Venus center speaker with a little less than 1/2" top clearance if the total is 9".
post #4542 of 6860
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Originally Posted by blacksheepvictor View Post

Taking the grills off was not fun. They are held on by magnets and are very snug. I had to use a combination of butter knifes paper towels and business cards. Scary process.

So sorry for all the trouble That's awesome you're taking so much time and effort to post pics, answer questions, etc. A huge help to the community! I guess that's the downside to being one of the "first".

They really are sweet looking speakers. I'm sure they sound even better. It's interesting how much everyone loved the 6T, received phenomenal professional and amateur reviews. Now all of the sudden I'm hearing descriptions such as bright, fatiguing, can't handle rock music, etc. Not sure it's quite that justified, but too funny! I guess it's all relative.

Thanks again for all your help! Blue
post #4543 of 6860
venus, verses, versus, venti grande..... i might just stick with the ones with numbers to them lol....
post #4544 of 6860
Quote:
Originally Posted by blacksheepvictor View Post

Well put. Like I said before I'm not good at describing what my ears tell me. But, The more I listen to these, WOW!!!!!!!!!!! I love them. Love Love Love.

Those are beautiful speakers. They are quite high-end looking and yet they go for a reasonable price point. Aperion has a real winner on their hands.

Just wondering, do you find grills make much difference to the sound? One would think the metal plus cloth layers would have some sort of effect on the sound.
post #4545 of 6860
Although I'm hoping to be an owner soon of a 5.0 set of the verus line I have two questions.

One, you guys that have the towers already, what are you driving them with?

Two, Jason are you guys planning on releasing a set that extends the wood all the way around the speaker. I am looking at getting a set in medium cherry and would love for them to look like the 4/5/6Ts in that color? And I don't want to bite now and have that style released shortly. Thanks for the help and man those are some gorgeous speakers, I can't wait!!!
post #4546 of 6860
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wills View Post

Although I'm hoping to be an owner soon of a 5.0 set of the verus line I have two questions.

One, you guys that have the towers already, what are you driving them with?

Two, Jason are you guys planning on releasing a set that extends the wood all the way around the speaker. I am looking at getting a set in medium cherry and would love for them to look like the 4/5/6Ts in that color? And I don't want to bite now and have that style released shortly. Thanks for the help and man those are some gorgeous speakers, I can't wait!!!

I'm using Emotiva UPA-1 200w monoblock amps for my towers and center. I'm working on getting two more for my surrounds. I haven't heard there XPA series amps but people seem to really like them. I had the space for a monoblock set up so I went for it.

My 2 cents about the second question. I'm pretty sure this is the final design.
I used to have the piano black 6 series, but once I saw the new cherry finish with the black face plate I was sold. I didn't like the new gloss black with flat black face plate. I was also tired of cleaning my old black speakers. They show everything.
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blacksheepvictor another side note adding some acoustic treatment should help the overall sound of your room. I showed my wife some ATS and she liked them enough to let me put them up. Just my 2 cents...one of those things that once you try it you never want to be in a room with out it again.

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Originally Posted by mistaforty View Post

venus, verses, versus, venti grande..... i might just stick with the ones with numbers to them lol....

lmao!
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I finally was able to borrow a receiver today and give the Verus Towers a listen, side by side, against my 6T-s. As a caveat, my room is being converted into a dedicated HT and hasn't yet received sound treatments. I also did the comparison using a 90W Yamaha with no calibration whereas in a few weeks I'll hopefully have an Anthem 700MRX ARCed and driving the surrounds (5.1), an Emotiva XPA-3 driving the fronts and sound treatments. My listening was confined to the towers.

I started by playing a variety of cuts on the 6T-s. Heavy Weather by Weather Report followed by The Funeral by Band of Horses and then Surfing with the Alien by Joe Satriani. Also threw in, um, LAX by Snoop Dogg. Don't hate me, it's a great demo track even if it is offensive.

Then I followed the same listening, more or less, with the Veri. Finally, I went A/B for a while, not as slick as I would have liked, I needed to leave the chair and press a couple of buttons, then sit back down. But it gave me a pretty good basis of comparison for the listening conditions I had.

I'd first like to defend the 6T-s. They're a terrific speaker, particularly considering their price range. But things do open up and become more detailed on the Veruses. It isn't as though I heard layers of music in complex tracks I'd never heard before. It was more as though the layers were supported with more identity in each layer creating a spaciousness and musicality making these speakers really special. I had anticipated this would show through in the mid-range but it also was apparent throughout. It also seemed to give the low end more distinction even though the difference in specs would seem to run contrary to this.

At the high end, the 6T-s are brighter. I can only make the comparison, I can't say which sounded better owing to the room and callibration deficiencies facing me during the listening. In fact, I considered not posting due to those deficiencies, but I think it came into play more in evaluating the high end than the other characteristics I've mentioned.

I don't know if Snoop Dogg would endorse these speakers even though his expletives never sounded better, but I certainly do. Can't wait to finish the room and do some real listening.
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Thanks so much for your thoughts on 6T vs. Verus.
post #4551 of 6860
Time for an Upgrade - I have a week/two before i end up passing up the Aperion Upgrade Program.

I have a 5.0 set that i bought last year for my media room (~3500 CuFt with a Cathedral Ceiling) - 6C | 5Ts(2) | 5DBs(2) with a pair of Epik Sentinel Subs;
Usage is 100% Movies. The Speakers are powered by a Pio Elite VSX-82TXS AVR and a Emotiva UPA-5 driving the front sound stage.

Untill the last month - I was planning on upgrading only the 5Ts --> 6Ts. Now that the Grand Verus Lineup came in, I have second
thoughts about upgrading the entire front sound stage to the Grand Verus Line, which will be much expensive than the original
upgrade i planned for. I have plans in the future to work on Acoustical Treatments.. etc.

Having said that, what do you recommend - Would it make more sense to upgrade just the 6Ts leaving the 6C OR upgrade the entire
front sound stage to GV Line up?
post #4552 of 6860
Quote:
Originally Posted by mohmony View Post

Time for an Upgrade - I have a week/two before i end up passing up the Aperion Upgrade Program.

I have a 5.0 set that i bought last year for my media room (~3500 CuFt with a Cathedral Ceiling) - 6C | 5Ts(2) | 5DBs(2) with a pair of Epik Sentinel Subs;
Usage is 100% Movies. The Speakers are powered by a Pio Elite VSX-82TXS AVR and a Emotiva UPA-5 driving the front sound stage.

Untill the last month - I was planning on upgrading only the 5Ts --> 6Ts. Now that the Grand Verus Lineup came in, I have second
thoughts about upgrading the entire front sound stage to the Grand Verus Line, which will be much expensive than the original
upgrade i planned for. I have plans in the future to work on Acoustical Treatments.. etc.

Having said that, what do you recommend - Would it make more sense to upgrade just the 6Ts leaving the 6C OR upgrade the entire
front sound stage to GV Line up?

If I were in your shoes and had a chance to upgrade, I would upgrade to the Verus Grand line for the front stage at the least.
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lorenzzo, Thanks for taking the time to post your impressions. The Verus sounds like a great speaker!! Blue
post #4554 of 6860
Quote:
Originally Posted by mohmony View Post

Time for an Upgrade - I have a week/two before i end up passing up the Aperion Upgrade Program.

I have a 5.0 set that i bought last year for my media room (~3500 CuFt with a Cathedral Ceiling) - 6C | 5Ts(2) | 5DBs(2) with a pair of Epik Sentinel Subs;
Usage is 100% Movies. The Speakers are powered by a Pio Elite VSX-82TXS AVR and a Emotiva UPA-5 driving the front sound stage.

Untill the last month - I was planning on upgrading only the 5Ts --> 6Ts. Now that the Grand Verus Lineup came in, I have second
thoughts about upgrading the entire front sound stage to the Grand Verus Line, which will be much expensive than the original
upgrade i planned for. I have plans in the future to work on Acoustical Treatments.. etc.

Having said that, what do you recommend - Would it make more sense to upgrade just the 6Ts leaving the 6C OR upgrade the entire
front sound stage to GV Line up?

I just upgrade from the 6T-6C combo to the VGT-VGC and it was worth every cent. I believe it's important to at least keep your front sound stage the same and matched. If you mixed the 6C with the VGTs you might not get the most pleasant mix.

Right now I'm using 5Ts for surrounds and they mix in pretty well with the new line but I'm switching them out for the new bookshelf speakers soon.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by IZETECI View Post

I just upgrade from the 6T-6C combo to the VGT-VGC and it was worth every cent. I believe it's important to at least keep your front sound stage the same and matched. If you mixed the 6C with the VGTs you might not get the most pleasant mix.

Right now I'm using 5Ts for surrounds and they mix in pretty well with the new line but I'm switching them out for the new bookshelf speakers soon.

I would think that the 5Ts would give you a much better, fuller sound then a bookshelf speaker. In that situation, I'd probably keep the 5T.
post #4556 of 6860
Izeteci/Jonlavs

I am in the process of doing an upgrade to the Verus towers and center for the front stage, I currently have 4-5T's and a 5C.

My thoughts were to replace the 2-5T fronts and the 5C, keeping as Jon indicated the other two 5T's for the surrounds. I am not sure I understand your reasoning Izeteci, on going to a bookshelf over the 5T? I would think as Jon indicated the 5T would be a better speaker between the two.

I am interested in your thoughts, thank you for your time.
post #4557 of 6860
Quote:
Originally Posted by BESLC View Post

Izeteci/Jonlavs

I am in the process of doing an upgrade to the Verus towers and center for the front stage, I currently have 4-5T's and a 5C.

My thoughts were to replace the 2-5T fronts and the 5C, keeping as Jon indicated the other two 5T's for the surrounds. I am not sure I understand your reasoning Izeteci, on going to a bookshelf over the 5T? I would think as Jon indicated the 5T would be a better speaker between the two.

I am interested in your thoughts, thank you for your time.

To me the Verus Grand bookshelf is in between the 5B & 6B with an upgraded tweeter and better sensitivity. I'm sure it sounds great and all, but I would think that the 5T would be a fuller sounding speaker with two 5.25" woofers versus just one 5" woofer in the bookshelf.
post #4558 of 6860
First off thanks for blacksheepvictor for posting the pics, I appreciate it and they look great!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Blueste View Post

So sorry for all the trouble That's awesome you're taking so much time and effort to post pics, answer questions, etc. A huge help to the community! I guess that's the downside to being one of the "first".

They really are sweet looking speakers. I'm sure they sound even better. It's interesting how much everyone loved the 6T, received phenomenal professional and amateur reviews. Now all of the sudden I'm hearing descriptions such as bright, fatiguing, can't handle rock music, etc. Not sure it's quite that justified, but too funny! I guess it's all relative.

Thanks again for all your help! Blue

That's your upgraditus talking, the 6Ts are still great speakers!

Quote:
Originally Posted by mojomike View Post

Those are beautiful speakers. They are quite high-end looking and yet they go for a reasonable price point. Aperion has a real winner on their hands.

Just wondering, do you find grills make much difference to the sound? One would think the metal plus cloth layers would have some sort of effect on the sound.

They will sound a little brighter without the grilles. Not a huge difference though.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wills View Post

Although I'm hoping to be an owner soon of a 5.0 set of the verus line I have two questions.

One, you guys that have the towers already, what are you driving them with?

Two, Jason are you guys planning on releasing a set that extends the wood all the way around the speaker. I am looking at getting a set in medium cherry and would love for them to look like the 4/5/6Ts in that color? And I don't want to bite now and have that style released shortly. Thanks for the help and man those are some gorgeous speakers, I can't wait!!!

There are no plans to change the cabinets or offer different finishes for the foreseeable future.

Quote:
Originally Posted by lorenzzo View Post

I finally was able to borrow a receiver today and give the Verus Towers a listen, side by side, against my 6T-s. As a caveat, my room is being converted into a dedicated HT and hasn't yet received sound treatments. I also did the comparison using a 90W Yamaha with no calibration whereas in a few weeks I'll hopefully have an Anthem 700MRX ARCed and driving the surrounds (5.1), an Emotiva XPA-3 driving the fronts and sound treatments. My listening was confined to the towers.

I started by playing a variety of cuts on the 6T-s. Heavy Weather by Weather Report followed by The Funeral by Band of Horses and then Surfing with the Alien by Joe Satriani. Also threw in, um, LAX by Snoop Dogg. Don't hate me, it's a great demo track even if it is offensive.

Then I followed the same listening, more or less, with the Veri. Finally, I went A/B for a while, not as slick as I would have liked, I needed to leave the chair and press a couple of buttons, then sit back down. But it gave me a pretty good basis of comparison for the listening conditions I had.

I'd first like to defend the 6T-s. They're a terrific speaker, particularly considering their price range. But things do open up and become more detailed on the Veruses. It isn't as though I heard layers of music in complex tracks I'd never heard before. It was more as though the layers were supported with more identity in each layer creating a spaciousness and musicality making these speakers really special. I had anticipated this would show through in the mid-range but it also was apparent throughout. It also seemed to give the low end more distinction even though the difference in specs would seem to run contrary to this.

At the high end, the 6T-s are brighter. I can only make the comparison, I can't say which sounded better owing to the room and callibration deficiencies facing me during the listening. In fact, I considered not posting due to those deficiencies, but I think it came into play more in evaluating the high end than the other characteristics I've mentioned.

I don't know if Snoop Dogg would endorse these speakers even though his expletives never sounded better, but I certainly do. Can't wait to finish the room and do some real listening.

Awesome, thanks for posting!

Quote:
Originally Posted by mohmony View Post

Time for an Upgrade - I have a week/two before i end up passing up the Aperion Upgrade Program.

I have a 5.0 set that i bought last year for my media room (~3500 CuFt with a Cathedral Ceiling) - 6C | 5Ts(2) | 5DBs(2) with a pair of Epik Sentinel Subs;
Usage is 100% Movies. The Speakers are powered by a Pio Elite VSX-82TXS AVR and a Emotiva UPA-5 driving the front sound stage.

Untill the last month - I was planning on upgrading only the 5Ts --> 6Ts. Now that the Grand Verus Lineup came in, I have second
thoughts about upgrading the entire front sound stage to the Grand Verus Line, which will be much expensive than the original
upgrade i planned for. I have plans in the future to work on Acoustical Treatments.. etc.

Having said that, what do you recommend - Would it make more sense to upgrade just the 6Ts leaving the 6C OR upgrade the entire
front sound stage to GV Line up?

I definitely recommend upgrading all three to keep things timbre matched in your front array.
post #4559 of 6860
IZETECI --
I agree with you, If iam going for the GV Lineup - I will propably do all three of them (GVT's and GVC).
But your comment is more assuring (Since you moved from a "6" Front Stage to "GV" Front Stage). Did you see a lot of difference even for movies or was it for Music Playback?
post #4560 of 6860
Quote:
Originally Posted by mohmony View Post

IZETECI --
I agree with you, If iam going for the GV Lineup - I will propably do all three of them (GVT's and GVC).
But your comment is more assuring (Since you moved from a "6" Front Stage to "GV" Front Stage). Did you see a lot of difference even for movies or was it for Music Playback?

Well i would say most of the improvement was with music when talking about the VGTs. I would say for movies the VGC really shines the most. I started with the 5C then upgraded to the 6C then to the VGC. I didn't do it because my room size grew I was more looking for a bolder-clear sound. Especially with Blu Rays these is such a mixed bag of sounds being sent to the center channel.
For example Transformers has a lot of the special effects sent to the center. I noticed a lot more dynamics/punch moving from the 5C to 6C. I tend to cross over my center around 60 for a little more added mid bass.

I feel the new speakers as a whole handle dialog/voices better than the older speakers. This hold very true with the new VGC. Dialog is a little smoother and more pronounced. When I picked up my new speakers Jason and I did a a/b comparison of just the 6C and VGC, we turned off all other speakers. You could really hear the difference. I think it could be summed up as being fuller, better pronounced, richer mids and more enveloping.

I have only watched Master and Commander and Iron Man 2 so far. Let me get some additional movies under my belt to see how the VGTs compare in movies.

I bet movies with musical passages will should great.
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