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post #4621 of 6532
11/12/10 at 11:41am
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Originally Posted by Blueste View Post

I know Hicks responded re: the distortion rating. Not to speak for him, but I believe in the past he has suggested that if you want to stay with Pioneer to move up to an Elite. I believe the Elites typically have beefier amps compared to their entry receivers.

Blue

That used to be true, but now they have Elite models with weak amps too!

Now I don't recommend anything below the VSX-32.
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post #4622 of 6532
11/12/10 at 11:55am
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Originally Posted by Dry Bones View Post

So I was originally attracted to Aperion due to the new Intimus Summit Wireless systems, but after some more research (and from what I've seen/read here) I am very interested now in the Verus line-up.

I am putting together a new system for the family room, it wasn't pre-wired (which was why I was interested in a wireless solution), but I could spring to have some in wall wiring done.

With that said, I am on a limited budget, and would like to save where I can. If I were to go with a VGC and VGTx2 for the front, what would be the recommended "lowest down the totem pole" surrounds and sub, without compromising the superb sound of the Verus' ?

I was thinking two 4t towers for surrounds and maybe a Bravus II 8D. The goal eventually would be to upgrade these, but would I just be wasting money getting 4t surrounds? Should I get something a little better?

I was also looking at the Marantz SR5005 for all of this. Again, eventually maybe getting dedicated mono-amps, but for now...would this be a satisfactory solution to drive these speakers? Or would I not be hearing the benefits of the Verus' with an AVR like this.

Thank you for any suggestions.

I'm sure one question that would come up would be room size. The VG speakers can handle a large room but for the surrounds and sub I think room size is important.
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post #4623 of 6532
11/12/10 at 12:03pm
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Originally Posted by IZETECI View Post

I'm sure one question that would come up would be room size. The VG speakers can handle a large room but for the surrounds and sub I think room size is important.

20x25, if not a little larger.
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post #4624 of 6532
11/12/10 at 12:07pm
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Originally Posted by Dry Bones View Post

20x25, if not a little larger.

I would say you would need to run a larger sub than a 8D. Maybe 2 x 10Ds or a 12D.
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post #4625 of 6532
11/12/10 at 12:10pm
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Originally Posted by IZETECI View Post

I would say you would need to run a larger sub than a 8D. Maybe 2 x 10Ds or a 12D.

Or even 2 x 12Ds
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post #4626 of 6532
11/12/10 at 12:14pm
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Originally Posted by IZETECI View Post

I would say you would need to run a larger sub than a 8D. Maybe 2 x 10Ds or a 12D.

Thanks for your suggestion. Just to clarify though, I'm not really looking for an optimal setup (if I had the funds for an optimal setup right now, trust me I'd get a better sub, two subs, and better surrounds.)

What I'm asking in regards to the sub/surrounds/receiver , is more along the lines of, "If i can't get better sub/surrounds/receiver at the moment....should I even bother getting VGTs and a VGC?"

Would I be better getting something along the lines of a 4T, 5T, or maybe a 6T hybrid setup? Or would the VGs still shine even though I (temporarily) would have them paired with a set of 4t surrounds and a less then optimal sub setup and amplification.
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post #4627 of 6532
11/12/10 at 12:15pm
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Originally Posted by Dry Bones View Post

20x25, if not a little larger.

You might want to look at the VGB's for surround. They can handle a little more power and are matched to the other VG speakers.
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post #4628 of 6532
11/12/10 at 12:37pm
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Originally Posted by Dry Bones View Post

Thanks for your suggestion. Just to clarify though, I'm not really looking for an optimal setup (if I had the funds for an optimal setup right now, trust me I'd get a better sub, two subs, and better surrounds.)

What I'm asking in regards to the sub/surrounds/receiver , is more along the lines of, "If i can't get better sub/surrounds/receiver at the moment....should I even bother getting VGTs and a VGC?"

Would I be better getting something along the lines of a 4T, 5T, or maybe a 6T hybrid setup? Or would the VGs still shine even though I (temporarily) would have them paired with a set of 4t surrounds and a less then optimal sub setup and amplification.

I see well that's a tough one. I would say go for the VG for the LCR and upgrade the other items later. You should be able to still get a nice sound.

I know this is Aperion forum but for a cheaper sub you could get a Epik Legend (dual 12") for $499 right now or even the Empire (Dual 15") for $799. I have heard good things about there subs. Anyways hopefully Hicks doesn't give me the stink eye. I would say the 5005 should do okay for now. It does have pre outs so you could add amps to it later.

Thanks for letting me put my 2 cents in.
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post #4629 of 6532
11/12/10 at 12:45pm
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Originally Posted by anewman1 View Post

I just ordered my second aperion 5.1 system, this one is VGT/VGC with IC's in rear. I want/need to keep it simple so the receiver will be the only power (no additional amps, etc). I am an Onkyo fan and plan on an 808. My question is how will an Onkyo TX-NR808 do at running this setup. Any other suggestions?

It depends on the size of your room, the 808 is a great receiver for a space of up to around 450 square feet.

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Originally Posted by IZETECI View Post

You might want to look at the VGB's for surround. They can handle a little more power and are matched to the other VG speakers.

I agree, the VGBs are cheaper than the 4Ts and will be matched to the Verus fronts.

However, the 4BP and 4B make for great low cost surrounds too, and you could always use the one year trade up option if you want to get something larger down the road.
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post #4630 of 6532
11/12/10 at 1:09pm
Thanks Hicks. I think I will either go with the Onkyo 808 or the Marantz SR6005. Both of those should match my 15x25 room size perfectly.

Cant wait to get this new system up and running for the holidays. Ho Ho Ho.
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post #4631 of 6532
11/12/10 at 1:46pm
Hey Dry Bones, what is the intended movie/music split for the system you are considering? If it's predominately movies, I would suggest getting the 5Ts (or 6Ts if your budget allows), a 6C, whatever surrounds, and a killer sub. You have a large room, and I am of the camp that a great sub can turn a ho-hum theater into an awesome theater. My point is, I would definitely not compromise and get something like an 8D for that sized room. I totally appreciate not being able to afford to get everything all at once (I put my system together piecemeal), but I'm a firm believer in not skimping on the sub for a home theater devoted more to movies than music. You asked for opinions, so there is mine.
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post #4632 of 6532
11/12/10 at 2:22pm
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Originally Posted by Puppetz View Post

Hey Dry Bones, what is the intended movie/music split for the system you are considering? If it's predominately movies, I would suggest getting the 5Ts (or 6Ts if your budget allows), a 6C, whatever surrounds, and a killer sub. You have a large room, and I am of the camp that a great sub can turn a ho-hum theater into an awesome theater. My point is, I would definitely not compromise and get something like an 8D for that sized room. I totally appreciate not being able to afford to get everything all at once (I put my system together piecemeal), but I'm a firm believer in not skimping on the sub for a home theater devoted more to movies than music. You asked for opinions, so there is mine.

Thats good to know about a sub. Maybe I'll compromise on some other things to get a better sub.

I'd say 90% movies, 10% music for my planned usage

Thanks for the advice!
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post #4633 of 6532
11/12/10 at 2:30pm
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Originally Posted by Hicks View Post

I agree, the VGBs are cheaper than the 4Ts and will be matched to the Verus fronts.

However, the 4BP and 4B make for great low cost surrounds too, and you could always use the one year trade up option if you want to get something larger down the road.

Oh, a trade-up program? That's awesome. Yea I guess I have nothing to lose then. If things seem a little lacking on one department I can always trade-up. I Think I"m definitely sold a Verus LRC at this point. The rest of the system is still a little up in there air.

Thanks,
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post #4634 of 6532
11/12/10 at 2:49pm
If my usage is primarily movies, would you recommend VGBs or Intimus 5DBs? Stick with the VGBs since my front is going to be Verus?
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post #4635 of 6532
11/12/10 at 3:41pm
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Originally Posted by Dry Bones View Post

If my usage is primarily movies, would you recommend VGBs or Intimus 5DBs? Stick with the VGBs since my front is going to be Verus?

I think either would work. Remember you have to buy stands for the VGBs.
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post #4636 of 6532
11/12/10 at 3:49pm
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Originally Posted by Dry Bones View Post

If my usage is primarily movies, would you recommend VGBs or Intimus 5DBs? Stick with the VGBs since my front is going to be Verus?

I'd personally recommend the 5DBs, they will give you a better surround effect with the dipole mode.
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post #4637 of 6532
11/12/10 at 5:38pm
I am ordering 6T's for the front, and a 5C center.

Would the 6C be worth the upgrade, or put the coin towards the sub.

Room is 11 x 18, with hallway in the front left corner from where I sit (to the left of the front left speaker).

Sit about 13-15 feet from the center.
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post #4638 of 6532
11/12/10 at 6:25pm
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Originally Posted by Hicks View Post

I'd personally recommend the 5DBs, they will give you a better surround effect with the dipole mode.

Great, I think I'll do that.

On another topic, and this might not be the forum for it, do you have experience with Audyssey MultEQ? I notice this option on the SR5005 I was looking at (among others).

The Aperion site suggests forgoing this auto-configuration, and configure the speaker calibrations manually. Do you suggest this? I ask because the Dynamic EQ and Volume modes of the receiver may be disabled if auto-calibration is not done, and I'm not sure if these AVR options are worth having on or not with the Aperion speaker system I'm looking to pick up.

Thanks,
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post #4639 of 6532
11/12/10 at 6:35pm
Jason, just a couple of questions- I was originally planning on building a system around 6Ts until the new Verus line came out, so I'm obviously reconsidering.

- As the Verus are rear ported, how far do you recommend placement away from a wall? My space is slightly limited, this may have some bearing on my decision. (Although the 6Ts are a hoss of a speaker, depth-wise, so the difference may turn out to be negligible.)

- Do you plan on offering a matching gloss cherry sub for the Verus line in the future?

- Does Aperion plan on offering financing deals again any time soon? The VG line is just over my usual comfort level for instantly disposable income, thought I'd spread the wallet pain out a little if possible.

Thanks, and I look forward to seeing the Verus DB surround options sometime soon!
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post #4640 of 6532
11/12/10 at 6:55pm
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Originally Posted by Thrummer View Post

I am ordering 6T's for the front, and a 5C center.

Would the 6C be worth the upgrade, or put the coin towards the sub.

Room is 11 x 18, with hallway in the front left corner from where I sit (to the left of the front left speaker).

Sit about 13-15 feet from the center.

For me the center channel speaker is almost the most important speaker in a Home Theater setup. I want clear, crisp, dynamic dialog when watching movies.

The 6T's are an amazing speaker with a lot of range, I think you would be happier if you paired the 6C with them.

Don't get me wrong, the 5C is a very good center, I currently have one paired to four 5T's. However, I am upgrading to the VGT's and VGC, keeping the 5T's for surround. The front sound stage is so important to me and my listening, so I opt for it being timbre matched .
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post #4641 of 6532
11/13/10 at 5:37am
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Originally Posted by Hicks View Post
That used to be true, but now they have Elite models with weak amps too!

Now I don't recommend anything below the VSX-32.
That's sad. Pioneer seems to be killing themselves.
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post #4642 of 6532
11/13/10 at 7:41am
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Originally Posted by Dry Bones View Post

Great, I think I'll do that.

On another topic, and this might not be the forum for it, do you have experience with Audyssey MultEQ? I notice this option on the SR5005 I was looking at (among others).

The Aperion site suggests forgoing this auto-configuration, and configure the speaker calibrations manually. Do you suggest this? I ask because the Dynamic EQ and Volume modes of the receiver may be disabled if auto-calibration is not done, and I'm not sure if these AVR options are worth having on or not with the Aperion speaker system I'm looking to pick up.

Thanks,

I have been using Audyssey for a while now. I find that if you make sure to do 6-8 listening position it really does a good job. I normally use it to get everything set up and do some minor trim adjustments as I'm listening.

If you take the time to carefully set it up it really does a good job.
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post #4643 of 6532
11/13/10 at 7:45am
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Originally Posted by BESLC View Post

For me the center channel speaker is almost the most important speaker in a Home Theater setup. I want clear, crisp, dynamic dialog when watching movies.

The 6T's are an amazing speaker with a lot of range, I think you would be happier if you paired the 6C with them.

Don't get me wrong, the 5C is a very good center, I currently have one paired to four 5T's. However, I am upgrading to the VGT's and VGC, keeping the 5T's for surround. The front sound stage is so important to me and my listening, so I opt for it being timbre matched .

+1 for 6C....

The 6C is a great center speaker. With today's movies so much dialog and effects are ran through the center speaker. I think when watching movies it's you number one speaker not to skimp out on :-).
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post #4644 of 6532
11/13/10 at 10:24am
IZETECI

Did you upgrade your receiver, I saw a post in the Aperion forum where you were considering the Marantz 7005?

Sadly I read Hicks post about receivers and now I am looking....shaking my head

When it comes to the receiver I find myself scratching my head the more I read. I am looking at a few right now and trying to sort through the maze. Considerations right now are the Denon 4311CI, Marantz 7005, Integra DTR 80.2, and the Onkyo NR3008

In a receiver I am looking for performance, a bit of longevity(not needing to upgrade for a few years), lastly something with ease of setup. On the setup side of things, I have a Pioneer of which I am not a big fan of the MCACC and the old style user interface.

I tried to pick Hicks brain a bit about what to look for in a receiver, it would be nice to have a template on what you need and should have in a receiver.

Hope you are still enjoying your VG's..I have to wait until mine ship Dec 9 due to a backorder on them.
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post #4645 of 6532
11/13/10 at 12:58pm
6th Ave has a good price on a Denon 3310 right now
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post #4646 of 6532
11/13/10 at 1:17pm
@ Hicks,

I have been leaning heavily towards a 6T, 6C setup across the front and 4B's for my four surrounds. Now that the Verus speakers are out I have been thinking about the Verus towers and center for the front three, but I was wondering how the 4B's will mesh with the Verus's. I know that it is not as critical for surround duties and I don't listen to a lot of multi channel music so I did not think it would be much of a problem, but was looking for your input. I don't think I could swing the Verus bookshelves at this time.

Thoughts? TIA

Regards,

RTROSE
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post #4647 of 6532
11/14/10 at 10:08am
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Originally Posted by BESLC View Post

IZETECI

Did you upgrade your receiver, I saw a post in the Aperion forum where you were considering the Marantz 7005?

Sadly I read Hicks post about receivers and now I am looking....shaking my head

When it comes to the receiver I find myself scratching my head the more I read. I am looking at a few right now and trying to sort through the maze. Considerations right now are the Denon 4311CI, Marantz 7005, Integra DTR 80.2, and the Onkyo NR3008

In a receiver I am looking for performance, a bit of longevity(not needing to upgrade for a few years), lastly something with ease of setup. On the setup side of things, I have a Pioneer of which I am not a big fan of the MCACC and the old style user interface.

I tried to pick Hicks brain a bit about what to look for in a receiver, it would be nice to have a template on what you need and should have in a receiver.

Hope you are still enjoying your VG's..I have to wait until mine ship Dec 9 due to a backorder on them.

To start yes I'm still really enjoying my speakers. I'm still having a lot of fun rediscovering music. I would say I used my old set up for 90% HT and 10% Music, but that number is now changing.

As for the 7005 I was interested in the AV7005 which is the Pre/Pro version of the SR7005. I already have amps so i look for good pre/pros or a receiver that can act as a good pre/pro.

I have a Denon 3808 now and I have been pretty happy with it. I have been also looking at the 4311. It has a lot of features and some good staying power. I have heard good things about all the others list. All but the Marantz have the latest version of Audyssey MultEQ XT32 which I have yet tried but the normal XT version I use works pretty well. Please note that some people say the Denon's are a little hard to use but it just takes getting used to.

I think all but the Marantz is 9.2 as well. But the Marantz is very well known for it's SQ. So you might want to start with what are the most important features you want in an AVR. We can go from there.

Example,

Room correction
Strong Amp section
SQ
multiple rooms
and so on
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post #4648 of 6532
11/14/10 at 11:46am
IZETECI

I am leaning more and more to the 4311, I have found a very interesting price from an authorized dealer. If you are interested PM me.
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post #4649 of 6532
11/14/10 at 3:26pm
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Originally Posted by BESLC View Post

IZETECI

I am leaning more and more to the 4311, I have found a very interesting price from an authorized dealer. If you are interested PM me.

Yeah out of your list it seems like a good choice. I think the Onkyo/Integra are more than the Denon.

The Marantz has less power and features but is less money and is known for very good SQ.
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post #4650 of 6532
11/14/10 at 6:15pm
Hello all-

Relative nube here. I'm looking for some advice on my center upgrade. Currently this is my set up:

Receiver: Yamaha Rx-V863
Center: Intimus 4C
Mains: 2 x-cs encore D'Appolito Monitors
Sides: Minimus 7's with added crossovers
Back: ELT525's
Sub: Epic Legend

I know it seems strange using center channels as mains but I got the idea from this review a while back. http://www.positive-feedback.com/Iss...udspeakers.htm

The Intimus 4C matches up quite well timbre wise with the encore's emphasizing plenty of mid-warmth. I will be going up to Portland for a few weeks this December and was planning on upgrading the 4C to either a 6C or Verus Grand center.

Thoughts on which would work better? 75% music 25% movie.

Thanks-

Jeff
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