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Originally Posted by SVH

Being a newbie / totally lost in the depths here and wanting to upgrade from my 7 year old Energy 5.1 / Onkyo SR600 to a "great" 7.2 system (expecting to move into a 22' x 35' room), I got a possibly stupid question here - how do the Verus grand towers compare with the Martin Logan's Vista speakers that cost about double the price ? Expecting to use this 40% for music, 60% for movies. Reason for comparing it with those ESLs is that I heard them @ Frys and to novice ears as mine, they blew me away. Then I heard ML's next price level stuff ($2k a pair), and they did not seem up to the mark. But having stumbled into these Aperion's VGTs, wondering if they can do the trick for me (and that too @ less than half the price).

OR for that matter how do these VGTs compare with some of the Vienna Accoustics stuff out there (a friend has them and they are terrific too, I forget the model - they were about $3k-4k a pair few years ago) ? Any pointers would be greatly appreciated and if I am comparing apples to oranges, that is because I am truly lost here (and I've been increasing my budget every day I am at these forums for the last 1 week and realizing that it is an ocean out there) - so help, please !!

Originally Posted by Walt Dockery

Thanks ... I think I'm getting it figured out. Plan to drop the depth of those side cabinets so they are set back further, maybe ~16" from the wall. I just don't want them sticking way out in the room. I agree though I don't want them in the entertainment unit itself. I think it'll work out so the towers don't look too intrusive without compromising sound.

As for the sound - they sound great. Very happy with the 5T Hybrid HD system + Marantz 5005 receiver.

Originally Posted by spiritfox

Well I got tired of beating my head against the wall on what speakers to buy so I ordered my Verus Towers and Center today--now the wait. Thanks for your help, Jason.

Originally Posted by spiritfox

Just noticed Audioholics posted their review of the Verus speakers--seems a good read.

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/s...d-introduction

Originally Posted by TitusTroy

bought a Intimus 5T system (with 4BP Surrounds) a few months back and thought I'd post some pics...not as elaborate as others home theater setups but I'm happy...the Cherry finish is gorgeous and looks even better in person...I was worried that these (or any speakers) might be too loud for my apartment but they are perfect...the guys at Aperion were all very friendly and helpful as well and would highly recommend them

Originally Posted by IZETECI

Looks really good. I started out with all of Aperion's biggest speaker but as time is going by I really love their smaller speakers.

Originally Posted by Hicks

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the Verus Grand Towers are $899 each, or $1799/pair. Of course I think they are still a great value and can go toe to toe with Vienna Acoustics, if not best them. The comparable speaker from them to the VGT would be the Beethoven Baby or Concert Grand. In my opinion their speakers have a similar sound to ours as we both use a silk dome tweeter.

As for the ML Vistas I have never heard that particular model but one thing I would say about Electrostats is that they can be more sensitive to room effects and more difficult to place properly than your typical dynamic driver speaker.

Of course with our speakers we give you the 30 day trial during which time you can return them for any reason and since we even cover return shipping there's really no risk to check them out.

Hope that helps!

Originally Posted by TitusTroy

bought a Intimus 5T system (with 4BP Surrounds) a few months back and thought I'd post some pics...not as elaborate as others home theater setups but I'm happy...the Cherry finish is gorgeous and looks even better in person...I was worried that these (or any speakers) might be too loud for my apartment but they are perfect...the guys at Aperion were all very friendly and helpful as well and would highly recommend them

Originally Posted by gpzbc

Nice catch! Thanks.

Originally Posted by SVH

Thanks for the info on the VAs - if you say that the VGTs compare well with the Beethoven Baby or Concert Grands, that is good enough for me. I've been hearing that VAs can be hard to beat in the music arena, but for movies, my gut says that the VGTs would be as good as any, after reading up in these forums - and as you say, I could try them out for 30 days to figure out what my ears say, but then - I would be too lazy to return them unless there is a bigg diff in my expectations. Hence this request for some more details - are there other sub woofers that can match well with this Verus line (beyond the 12Ds) ? Do you expect to release a sub woofer in this set ?

I heard that Aperion may be coming out with some Dipole/Bipole surround speakers in April - is this so ? I need a 7.x setup for my "future" living/dining/kitchen - "large" sized room, so I would love to get the 2 VGTs & 1 VGC for the front, a pair of Dipole/Bipole stuff for the sides (hopefully the new ones coming out shortly) and the Verus bookshelf pair for the rear - would this be the right way to go for this large (700+ sq ft) room ? Appreciate any info you can throw my way. This upgrade would be it for me - atleast for this decade - so I would love to match them up the best possible way, even if I have to wait a while. Would Onkyo's 3007 be the right receiver for it (heard that this is equivalent to the old 876) or should I be considering the 5007/5008 ? The Onkyo 807/808 would not be as good - right ? Other titbits to consider ... ?

Originally Posted by Hicks

Hello Walt,

Like I mentioned any floor standing speaker will ideally be free standing and not placed in a cabinet, so putting them in front of that entertainment center really will be your best option.

I guess if you have to then make sure they aren't more than a few inches off the floor and give them as much space as you can, at least six inches to each side.

Hope that helps!

Originally Posted by Hicks


The Onkyo 3007 would be the minimum I'd recommend for that room, it certainly wouldn't hurt to step up to the 5007 or even a separate amp like the Emotivas that a lot of our customers use.

Originally Posted by Wills

Some pics of the new gear....6Ts, 6C, 5Cs, and a 12D to round it off. Love the sound, love the looks. Pics of the 6C and 6Ts.

Originally Posted by Hicks

Yes we will be coming out with a Verus dipole/bipole I'm not firm on the release date but I hope that it will be in April or May.

No plans to do a Verus subwoofer per se, but the 12D is a great sub and will go considerably lower than the VGTs down to about 18 Hz. The high gloss black finish is the same as the Verus speakers.

In a 700 square foot room you'll need as much fire power as possible, but the VTGs/VGC/12D set up will be up to the task, and the Verus surrounds when they come out and then the VGBs for the rears should be great.

The Onkyo 3007 would be the minimum I'd recommend for that room, it certainly wouldn't hurt to step up to the 5007 or even a separate amp like the Emotivas that a lot of our customers use.

Hope that helps, thanks!

Originally Posted by SVH

Terrific - looking forward to the Verus dipole/bipole pair, but in the meantime I suppose I could order/setup the 5.1 since my current room is less than half - @ ~300 sq ft - with 2 VGTs, 1 VGC, 2 VGBs. I have my doubts about the sub though, with the last week's review indicating less than stellar performance of the 12D - are there other options to consider for the sub - that would go well with the VGs ?

Understood your point about Onkyo 3007, but it seems like I should go for Onkyo 5007 due to a noticable difference - is that right ? Or is Marantz SR 6005 better ? Not sure about going for a seperate Amp - as that will double my receiver cost - would there be that much noticable difference when compared to Onkyo 5007 or Marantz SR 6005 (in the 700 sq ft / 9' high ceiling, room), that I should consider this option to get the best out of the VGs ?

Lastly, how do the VGTs compare with the CM9s of B&W ? I heard the CM9s yesterday and they did sound great. And which MLs can the VGTs stand up to ? Appreciate you taking the time, with your inputs - this exchange helps me a lot, with so many choices out there, but I'm less lost now !!

Originally Posted by CombatChuk

Looking at the Versus line for my home theater... Got a SV Sound PB13-Ultra so I'm good there. I run a 7.1 system right now, with an Onkyo TX-SR607. But I was planning on upgrading that to a TX-NR708 with a Emotiva UPA7 amp.

Here's the Verus speakers I would buy

The Front LR would be the Grand towers
The Center would be the Center Speaker
and for the Rear sides and Rear surrounds would have the Bookshelves

I listen to about 80% HT and 20%

What do you guys think?

Originally Posted by spiritfox

That sounds very close to what I want for my setup. Except I currently have Def Tech 800s for the surrounds (well I will once the VGTs arrive). But I will probably wait until they come out with a Versus surround before I replace the Def Techs. I do want a sub as well--and am leaning toward the HSU 15H or ULS-15. I have an Onkyo 808--of course I'm sure our rooms are different. In my case I have a 15x15x10 family room but it is not sealed and opens up into the rest of the house--no wall on one side.

Originally Posted by SVH

Terrific - looking forward to the Verus dipole/bipole pair, but in the meantime I suppose I could order/setup the 5.1 since my current room is less than half - @ ~300 sq ft - with 2 VGTs, 1 VGC, 2 VGBs. I have my doubts about the sub though, with the last week's review indicating less than stellar performance of the 12D - are there other options to consider for the sub - that would go well with the VGs ?

Understood your point about Onkyo 3007, but it seems like I should go for Onkyo 5007 due to a noticable difference - is that right ? Or is Marantz SR 6005 better ? Not sure about going for a seperate Amp - as that will double my receiver cost - would there be that much noticable difference when compared to Onkyo 5007 or Marantz SR 6005 (in the 700 sq ft / 9' high ceiling, room), that I should consider this option to get the best out of the VGs ?

Lastly, how do the VGTs compare with the CM9s of B&W ? I heard the CM9s yesterday and they did sound great. And which MLs can the VGTs stand up to ? Appreciate you taking the time, with your inputs - this exchange helps me a lot, with so many choices out there, but I'm less lost now !!

Originally Posted by jonLavs

As much as I love my Aperion speakers, I was not as enamored with the 12D specs. So I went with a ULS-15. So far I'm loving the low bass extension. I may get a 2nd sub for more mid-bass and to fill out the room evenly.

Originally Posted by Thrummer

I was less than impressed myself at first. After fine tuning the placement, and the adjustments in the subwoofer (low bass, eq etc.) I am quite pleased now. The built in adjustments are extensive enough to really make a difference. The remote control is pretty handy too.

The 12D is musical - tight, fast and clean, and I mostly listen to music. But I don't find it overly lacking for movies either (maybe in absolute extension), but it can be felt.

I was considering a SVS SB12-NSD before I made the purchase though (and there are other great sub manufacturers). I find the 12D plenty big physically, even being a 'smaller' sub, so I was limited by size too.

Originally Posted by spiritfox

^^
Did you consider the ported 15H? That seems right for my room (large with one open wall) but I'm not sure it is right for me since I really do want something very musical to go along with the Verus. I am also considering an Apple TV to port music from iTunes.

Originally Posted by Walt Dockery

Hicks, does that line of thought also extend to the center? If I put the center in the cabinet (in that slot right under the tv), how much room will I need to the sides and above, if any?

Originally Posted by scovarrubias23

Hey Hicks, I've been talking to Oliver over at Aperion, via email, and I asked him if my Onkyo TX-SR608 would work with the Verus speakers and he said that I'l be fine. He did recommend a more powerful A/V receiver or a separate amp for overall better sound quality. What is your take on this? I am about to pull the trigger in the next couple of weeks and I want to make sure that I make the right decision. I currently live in an apartment but will be moving to a much larger space in the near future, thats why I want to go with Verus. I will be buying an Onkyo TX-NR5008 or a Denon 4311CI in the future but not for a little while...

Originally Posted by SVH

Terrific - looking forward to the Verus dipole/bipole pair, but in the meantime I suppose I could order/setup the 5.1 since my current room is less than half - @ ~300 sq ft - with 2 VGTs, 1 VGC, 2 VGBs. I have my doubts about the sub though, with the last week's review indicating less than stellar performance of the 12D - are there other options to consider for the sub - that would go well with the VGs ?

Understood your point about Onkyo 3007, but it seems like I should go for Onkyo 5007 due to a noticable difference - is that right ? Or is Marantz SR 6005 better ? Not sure about going for a seperate Amp - as that will double my receiver cost - would there be that much noticable difference when compared to Onkyo 5007 or Marantz SR 6005 (in the 700 sq ft / 9' high ceiling, room), that I should consider this option to get the best out of the VGs ?

Lastly, how do the VGTs compare with the CM9s of B&W ? I heard the CM9s yesterday and they did sound great. And which MLs can the VGTs stand up to ? Appreciate you taking the time, with your inputs - this exchange helps me a lot, with so many choices out there, but I'm less lost now !!

Originally Posted by jonLavs

Yes I did consider the VTF-15H. I had delayed my purchase awaiting their announcement of the VTF-15H. After much consideration, the smaller footprint, the lower bass extension, the musicality, and wireless capability (even though I didn't like how it sounded when I used that feature) sold me on the ULS-15. But I think I need to get a 2nd one to finish off my HT.

I think if Aperion Audio had a 15D with dual powered woofers and a bass extension down to 10-15Hz, I would have purchased my sub from them, but unfortunately there was no such product. I'm hoping it's in R&D as it's something I think Aperion needs to address to fill out their product line. I can totally see it being a monster sub that would compete with the other big boys in the sub arena.