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I would like to see a ported 12" sub again.

Size is an issue for some people , and a 15" would have to be large (and the 12D is already heavier than many similar sized subs). But I too would love to see Aperion offer something like this.

They seem to be on a roll... so you never know.

Thanks everyone - I should be pulling the trigger on the VG series tomorrow, to get to a 9.x system / hoping to mate them with an Onkyo 5007 or 5008 (does the XT-32 make a difference ?). The subs are still up in the air. And then finally, I hope to get the VG surrounds as well, when they get released :
Approx room dimensions - 40'x20'x9' ceiling ==> ~7000 cu ft ; Fronts - 2 VGTs ; Center - 1 VGC ; Side surrounds - 2 VG dipole/bipole stuff, whenever they come out ; Rears - 2 VGBs ; Front Heights - 2 VGBs - would this set me up for this decade ? I sure wouldn't be able to justify upgrading to my significant other, before then - unless I drown out the shrieks using the VGs and possibly some submersives or ... ???

I am also interested in 9.2. Audyssey recommends adding wides 1st, heights 2nd, rears last, more sound from front stage is better according to their site. Good Luck

Has anybody just ordered the Verus bookshelves? If you have, and you are familiar with the Paradigm Mini Monitor V5 or V6, do you think the Verus bookshelves would be a clear upgrade on the Paradigms?

I have the book shelves plus the center. I am awaiting the towers. Temporarily, I am using the bookshelves as the L & F speakers. Eventually, they will be the surround speakers. So far, I am very pleased with the sound. I do not know how they compare to the Paradigms.

I have not A/B tested them under identical conditions (the ONLY way to adequately judge and compare speakers). Nevertheless, I am familiar with both. To my ears, the Verus Grand Bookshelf speakers are superior in imaging, transparency, and general/overall performance. The Paradigms may have a lead in the bass side of the presentation, but their cabinet resonance provides a level of distortion that I could not abide. To answer your question directly...yes the VGB are an upgrade.

But let your ears decide. Free shipping from and to, should you not like the Aperions. Can't beat that!

Indeed, checking them out for your self is the best way to determine if they are the best speakers for you.

However, I'll just add my two cents and say that in my admittedly biased opinion the Verus line is more comparable to the Studio or even the Signature series so the Verus Bookshelves shouldn't have any trouble besting the Paradigm Mini Monitors.

I hope that helps!

Sorry to bother you guys w/ another dumb speaker placement question, but ....

My 5B surrounds. Recall this is a 5.1 setup, so these are the surrounds not the "rear surrounds" of a 7.1, but I don't really have a place to put them that's to the sides.

They are temporarily on two side tables, and I don't want to leave them like this because it clutters up the room. I am going to add a shelf just behind the couch and was tentatively placing the 5Bs there .... but I'm worried that will be too close to the ears of people seated on the couch.

So now I'm thinking of putting them on wall mounts and getting them up higher.

If wall mounts are the ideal solution, how high and how far apart should they be placed? If not, any other suggestions?

If it were me I'd try and shoehorn some stands in behind the couch that are high enough so the woofers aren't blocked. Since you have that lamp back there it looks like you may have space to do that.

If that's not an option then I would probably go the wall mount route, and mount them four to five feet off the ground and then just an inch or two to the side of the couch.

Hey Jason,

What can you tell us about the new Verus Forte line? How do they compare to the Grand Verus and Intimus line?

Perfect timing, I was just coming here to announce the Verus Forte line.

They use Kevlar woofers and radiator tweeters like the Verus Grand, but the woofers are all four inch and in the bookshelf and center its a mini version of the ASR tweeter that we use in the Grands and Forte towers.

I did some A/Bing with the Forte Towers and the 5Ts and thought the highs were smoother and the bass was a smidge beefier in Fortes. They aren't completely broken in yet, but at least out of the box I give the edge in the midrange department to the 5T. I'll have to revisit that one again once we get a little more play time under their belt.

In any event, check them out new 4" tower, bookshelf and center!

http://www.aperionaudio.com/product/...96,89,840.aspx

http://www.aperionaudio.com/product/...97,89,842.aspx

http://www.aperionaudio.com/product/...94,89,838.aspx

Oh yeah it's probably worth mentioning that the tweeter in the bookshelf and center is concentrically located in the center of the woofer, which we are calling our Aperion PhaseSync Driver.

Cool!!!! The bookshelves are good-looking little speakers.

I'd be interested in hearing how the Verus Forte Center compares to the Verus Grand Center. The Forte Center is more in my price range.

More importantly, how well do you think the Forte Center will timbre match to the Verus Grand Towers. That might be the setup I go with.
Thanks!

Oh there's definitely room back there ... the advantage of wall mounting is I could get them higher and further out to the sides.

Which would be better for sound? It's not really a big difference as far as convenience or asthetics.

Yes the Forte center is timbre matched with the Verus Grands, really the Forte center is an equivalent to the 5C in terms of performance so if you don't have room for the Verus Grand Center it's a great choice.


4 to 5 feet off the ground is ideal, so whichever gets them to that height is all the matters.

Even if the speaker is just behind the couch seated listener?

Does the back of the speaker have to be away from the wall by a minimum amount?

I'm thinking just run wires under the crawl space to behind the couch, and mount them on the wall ~5ft high and about ~1ft out from the outside edges of the couch.

In case you missed it, here is a writeup on the new Verus Forte line.
http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/s...verus-forte-fl

Sure stands just behind you will still work, but the advantage of wall mounting is that you can angle the speaker down a bit, so if you want to do that then go for it.

The 5B only needs 3-4 inches from the wall since it isn't a particularly bass heavy speaker.

Does the same go for the Forte Bookshelves for use as surrounds with Grand Towers as fronts? I'm considering upgrading my 5Ts to Grand Towers.

Yes the Forte and Grand lines are timbre matched.

I'm considering buying Grand Verus bookshelves for a 2.1 music system. In the Audioholics review, they mention the impedance dips to 4 ohms in the 100-150 HZ region, and so they advise that the bookshelves be powered by a 4 ohm capable receiver or amp.

I have a Yamaha RS-V1800 receiver that is capable of handling 4 ohm speakers, but it is hooked up to my Paradigm Monitors 5.1 home theater system, so I'm reluctant to take it out of that system.

I also have a 75 watt a channel Denon AVR 591 that is not able to handle 4 ohm speakers.

What do you think the result would be if I asked the Denon to power the Verus bookshelves? Muddy sound, clipping, shut-down at high volumes, or no problem?

Hey guys, I'm about to purchase the Verus grand 5.0 system. I was wondering if it would be ok if I use just the center channel for a little while while I save up for the towers and bookshelves? I wouldn't be watching movies until I complete the system, if anything I'll just be watching tv.

Yes, if your AVR allows it. Usually they won't let you run just a center channel. If you are using it with other speakers you can use for the left and right front speakers, then it should work just fine.

I doubt that the Denon would shut down, but it would depend on the size of the room as to how quickly you would run into clipping. I myself set up some VGBs in a huge room with a Marantz 5005 which is rated at 100 watts/channel. It sounded alright but they definitely sounded a bit thin once I was more than 8-9 feet away from the speakers. Even if it's a small room you'll certainly get better dynamics if you stepped up to a separate amp or an AVR in the 120-130 wpc range.



Another option would be to just run your AVR in all channel stereo with just the center connected so you get the full soundtrack.

all these new Aperion speakers coming out relatively soon after I bought my 5T set...how does the Intimus 5T compare to the Verus Grand and Forte series?

Here were my comments from a couple days ago when I A/B'd the Forte Tower and the 5T:

As for comparing the 5T and the Verus Grand Tower, the VGT was really meant to be a replacement for the 6T so it's going to be best the 5T in just about any respect you care to mention: soundstage width/depth, midrange fullness, smoother highs and more bass extension.

Hope that helps!

thanks...upgrade-itis is tough to cure I guess...so it seems like the Verus Grand would be a more worthwhile upgrade for me...one of the reasons why I want to upgrade to the Verus is the big jump in sensitivity to 92 dB versus the 87 dB of the 5T's...but on the other hand I'm very satisfied with my 5T/4BP/5C system so it probably makes sense to stick with it and put that $$ towards a new 2011 Panasonic or Samsung 3D plasma set

the 1 year Aperion upgrade program is a killer (in a good way)...really makes not upgrading a tough choice

I would agree, at least as far as my initial impressions go, the 5T to Forte Tower comparison is more of a case of apples/oranges. The VGT really is the best speaker we have ever designed, at least in my opinion.

Personally though I still love the 5Ts and will continue to use them in my upstairs system until I move (or decide to reinstate my 6Bs that are in storage).

Ah! It's tough waiting for my Verus Grands!

When I ordered the tower and the center speakers last month, the delivery date was 2/15, but now it was pushed out to 3/25! Hey, Jason, can you check to see if my delivery date can be moved up? I have the same aperion user name. Thanks.

I have been busy upgrading my HT systems. My system will have
- APC H10BLK power conditioner
- Denon avr-4311ci (delivery: next week)
- Emotiva xpa-5 (delivery: 2/15)
- SVS PB-13 Ultra (delivery: today )
- Aperion Verus Grands and center (delivery: ??)
- Samsung 67A750 DLP (great PQ, will keep)
- PS3
- Apple TV 2

Down the road, a pair of Verus dipole (when they come out) or Verus bookshelf for the surround, and maybe 4 more bookshelfs for the wides and highs.

What speakers would be better for the surrounds: dipole or bookshelf? I know THX requires dipoles, but Audyseey seems to say monopoles. I think one is better for movies and the other is better for musics. Personally, I spend equal amount of time on TV, movie, and music.