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post #5071 of 6860
Are you guys going to have more cherry 12d's in?
post #5072 of 6860
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Originally Posted by Hicks View Post

An Onkyo 600 series or above receiver should push the Forte Towers pretty well in a small room. They are 90 dB sensitive so you don't need a ton of power to get reasonably good performance from them.

Crap...he just picked up a 508. You think 80w won't be sufficient to drive the Forte's? He lives in an apartment so he's not going to be going nuts with the volume. Thanks for the reply.
post #5073 of 6860
Verus Grand Tower Update! Well I guess the first batch of VGTs have made it to Oregon and my order of two VGTs and a Center are now on the way to Florida via FedEx. Should arrive by Friday.

For receiver reference, I will be pushing them with an Onkyo 808. Will be using Def Tech 800s for surrounds for now but will probably get something to replace them from the Verus line at a later day. Next will be the sub--heavily leaning towards SVS PC13-Ultra.
post #5074 of 6860
Just got the words that my Verus Grand Towers and Center are on their way! Yeah...

Quick question: do Aperion speakers need to be broken in? Hope I don't start another controversy
post #5075 of 6860
How are you guys "getting the word"? Is an email going out giving you tracking info or are you seeing this via your order page on Aperion's website?
post #5076 of 6860
Hi ...A Quick question...I am putting together a basement HT of about 19' by 12' (8ft ceiling)...I just bought 2 - 5B, 5C and 2-Bipolar and BIC F12 sub. I was thinking of ordering a Pioneer VSX 1120K. I have read some reviews ...but wanted to know if you think it will be under powered for the setup ?

Thanks as always...
post #5077 of 6860
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Originally Posted by RayoVac329 View Post

How are you guys "getting the word"? Is an email going out giving you tracking info or are you seeing this via your order page on Aperion's website?

I think Aperion updates the order info that you see on their website manually as it showed still processing when I looked yesterday. But the email I received from Aperion with my tracking info I got late Friday. The email contained the tracking info from FedEx as well as a summary of the order that was shipped. So that is what you should look for--the email.
post #5078 of 6860
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Originally Posted by kinmanc View Post

Just got the words that my Verus Grand Towers and Center are on their way! Yeah...

Quick question: do Aperion speakers need to be broken in? Hope I don't start another controversy

You probably have this email from Aperion by now, but if not:

"Speaker Break-In. Your speakers should sound great right out of the box. But once they've been played for 50 100 hours (doesn't matter what kind of music you use) they will start to sound more natural and balanced. This is known as break-in and is completely normal."
post #5079 of 6860
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Originally Posted by Alind Saxena View Post

Hi ...A Quick question...I am putting together a basement HT of about 19' by 12' (8ft ceiling)...I just bought 2 - 5B, 5C and 2-Bipolar and BIC F12 sub. I was thinking of ordering a Pioneer VSX 1120K. I have read some reviews ...but wanted to know if you think it will be under powered for the setup ?

Thanks as always...

The pioneer is rated at 120W X 7. As is the case for most receivers, the actual wattage for all channels driven would be less, but it should have no problem driving your speakers, unless you like to listen at 100db. :-)
post #5080 of 6860
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Originally Posted by spiritfox View Post

You probably have this email from Aperion by now, but if not:

"Speaker Break-In. Your speakers should sound great right out of the box. But once they've been played for 50 100 hours (doesn't matter what kind of music you use) they will start to sound more natural and balanced. This is known as break-in and is completely normal."

Yeah, I also got that this morning.

So once I got the speakers, I'll do a calibration of my system. I'll do another one maybe two or three weeks later, once they are broken in.
post #5081 of 6860
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Originally Posted by kinmanc View Post

The pioneer is rated at 120W X 7. As is the case for most receivers, the actual wattage for all channels driven would be less, but it should have no problem driving your speakers, unless you like to listen at 100db. :-)

Yeah thats what i thought......but there seems to be a test on Home Theater Magazine which puts the rated power during the test at 37/47 watts...not sure what to make of it...I really did like the other features !

http://www.hometheater.com/content/p...-labs-measures

So am I reading this wrong...?
post #5082 of 6860
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Originally Posted by broadwayblue View Post
Crap...he just picked up a 508. You think 80w won't be sufficient to drive the Forte's? He lives in an apartment so he's not going to be going nuts with the volume. Thanks for the reply.
Anyone have an idea whether 80w will be sufficient to power the Verus Forte's? He's itching to pull the trigger...but I'd like to let him know if he'll need to send back his receiver for the next model up. Thanks.
post #5083 of 6860
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Originally Posted by broadwayblue View Post
Anyone have an idea whether 80w will be sufficient to power the Verus Forte's? He's itching to pull the trigger...but I'd like to let him know if he'll need to send back his receiver for the next model up. Thanks.
His allocation of funds seems out of whack to me.

I would return the receiver, wait for delivery of the speakers, and then select a receiver with a 30 day return period. There's nothing like a test with your own room and source material.
post #5084 of 6860
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alind Saxena

Yeah thats what i thought......but there seems to be a test on Home Theater Magazine which puts the rated power during the test at 37/47 watts...not sure what to make of it...I really did like the other features !

http://www.hometheater.com/content/p...-labs-measures

So am I reading this wrong...?
The test was done with all 7 channels driven continuously at the same time, which is hardly a realistic condition for listening music or watching movies. It is unlikely that all 7 channels will get full audio content at the same time, and even if they do, it would only be for a brief time. The receiver usually will be able to shift powers around and draw reserves from it's massive capacitors.

Even 37 watts is more than you think. The 5B speaker is rated @84db, meaning that it'll generate 84 db of sound pressure at 3 ft from the speaker from just 1 watt. So if you are sitting about 10 ft from it, the power requirement would be about ten fold, about 10 watt. You still have lots of head room for burst of dynamics in the music or movie. And 84db is loud!

If you still worry, get the receiver from a local store that allows returns. You may also consider one with pre outs, so that you can hook it up with a power amp in the future.
post #5085 of 6860
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Originally Posted by kinmanc View Post
The test was done with all 7 channels driven continuously at the same time, which is hardly a realistic condition for listening music or watching movies. It is unlikely that all 7 channels will get full audio content at the same time, and even if they do, it would only be for a brief time. The receiver usually will be able to shift powers around and draw reserves from it's massive capacitors.

Even 37 watts is more than you think. The 5B speaker is rated @84db, meaning that it'll generate 84 db of sound pressure at 3 ft from the speaker from just 1 watt. So if you are sitting about 10 ft from it, the power requirement would be about ten fold, about 10 watt. You still have lots of head room for burst of dynamics in the music or movie. And 84db is loud!

If you still worry, get the receiver from a local store that allows returns. You may also consider one with pre outs, so that you can hook it up with a power amp in the future.
Perfect explaination ...thank you very much for taking time out and responding. I should brush up on my physics more....
post #5086 of 6860
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

His allocation of funds seems out of whack to me.

I would return the receiver, wait for delivery of the speakers, and then select a receiver with a 30 day return period. There's nothing like a test with your own room and source material.

Yeah, but he was going from crap to his first 5.1 system so we went for a cheap receiver. 80w is sufficient to power most speaker these days and I didn't think he would be going for anything super fancy. Guess the Aperions may be too high end for him. lol
post #5087 of 6860
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Originally Posted by broadwayblue View Post

Yeah, but he was going from crap to his first 5.1 system so we went for a cheap receiver. 80w is sufficient to power most speaker these days and I didn't think he would be going for anything super fancy. Guess the Aperions may be too high end for him. lol

That changes everything if he's not buying $2,500 worth of speakers for his front end.

Maybe a 5.1 speaker set in a box would be a better first step. That can be done in the $700 - $1000 range.
post #5088 of 6860
Man, I've been waiting a week now and my order still hasn't processed, and reading this thread is getting me too antsy to hear these things. Everything I've bought said was in stock so that couldn't be the reason for the delay. Hicks, any idea what's going on? Order number is 25507
post #5089 of 6860
^^^
You should just give them a call--fastest way to check the status of your order.
post #5090 of 6860
or try live chat
post #5091 of 6860
Hey guys, been out sick for a couple of days, sorry for the delay in getting back to everyone.

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Originally Posted by brian6751 View Post

Are you guys going to have more cherry 12d's in?

Unfortunately the 12D has been discontinued in the cherry finish, and actually we are moving toward a matte black finish for all of our subs from here on out.

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Originally Posted by broadwayblue View Post

Crap...he just picked up a 508. You think 80w won't be sufficient to drive the Forte's? He lives in an apartment so he's not going to be going nuts with the volume. Thanks for the reply.

It should be OK, but I feel like for my recommendations to be meaningful I have to draw the line somewhere, so I usually say that the 608 is the lowest model that I suggest using. But if the room isn't huge and he keeps the volume moderate he should get decent results.

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Originally Posted by Alind Saxena View Post

Hi ...A Quick question...I am putting together a basement HT of about 19' by 12' (8ft ceiling)...I just bought 2 - 5B, 5C and 2-Bipolar and BIC F12 sub. I was thinking of ordering a Pioneer VSX 1120K. I have read some reviews ...but wanted to know if you think it will be under powered for the setup ?

Thanks as always...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alind Saxena View Post

Yeah thats what i thought......but there seems to be a test on Home Theater Magazine which puts the rated power during the test at 37/47 watts...not sure what to make of it...I really did like the other features !

http://www.hometheater.com/content/p...-labs-measures

So am I reading this wrong...?



Quote:
Originally Posted by kinmanc View Post

The test was done with all 7 channels driven continuously at the same time, which is hardly a realistic condition for listening music or watching movies. It is unlikely that all 7 channels will get full audio content at the same time, and even if they do, it would only be for a brief time. The receiver usually will be able to shift powers around and draw reserves from it's massive capacitors.

Even 37 watts is more than you think. The 5B speaker is rated @84db, meaning that it'll generate 84 db of sound pressure at 3 ft from the speaker from just 1 watt. So if you are sitting about 10 ft from it, the power requirement would be about ten fold, about 10 watt. You still have lots of head room for burst of dynamics in the music or movie. And 84db is loud!

If you still worry, get the receiver from a local store that allows returns. You may also consider one with pre outs, so that you can hook it up with a power amp in the future.

Personally I would rather get a receiver that gets closer to the stated power rating. It's a similar conversation to the above 508 vs. 608 that you can see above, it should be ok with the 1120 but having a bit more power at your disposal probably wouldn't hurt.

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Originally Posted by brandon_k_w View Post

Man, I've been waiting a week now and my order still hasn't processed, and reading this thread is getting me too antsy to hear these things. Everything I've bought said was in stock so that couldn't be the reason for the delay. Hicks, any idea what's going on? Order number is 25507

Brandon, we left you a message regarding your order last week, please give us a call, thanks!
post #5092 of 6860
I keep trying to sit down and give some initial impressions on my new speakers but something keeps coming up or I want to go back out to the living room and try another movie/ song.

Needless to say, I'm enjoying them. The Forte towers are a huge improvement over the Axiom M3s I had. Not to belittle Axiom, but I moved and my listening area grew dramatically.

I also upgraded my AVR from an Onkyo 605 to the 3008. I never hooked the Axioms up to the new AVR so I'm not sure how much the new receiver adds to equation.

I will say the new Audyssey XT32 did a bang up job calibrating everything.

I am using the Forte towers, Forte center, and the Forte satellites as surrounds. I kept my Parts Express 15" Titanic sub kit. My living room is 14 X 22 feet with a large opening (10 footish) right behind the couch. The main sitting area takes up maybe 2/3 of the space.

I had some musician friends over last weekend and put in that Chris Botti and Friends disc. They were really impressed with the huge soundstage and natural presentation of his trumpet.

The towers definitely have more bass than I was expecting. Audyssey actually crossed them over at 40 Hz. I moved the X-over back to 80Hz to let my sub handle that load. I've heard that Audyssey's filters are really detailed for the LFE channel so I'm letting it do it's thing with the low end calibration.

I have the towers right at a foot away from the wall, which is the most I can do based on our couch.

The house has hardwood throughout, plantation shutters on the windows, and is minimally furnished. The couch is a huge fabric sectional which helps tame some of the echoy-ness of the room.

The speakers aren't nearly as bright as the Axioms. That new tweeter setup is smooth. Great realistic sparkle on cymbals. Vocals seem to be where they really shine for me. Nice forward presentation, slightly warmish, which is how I like my speakers.

I sit approximately 9 feet from the center channel and it's been a huge improvement for dialogue. The timber matching is excellent across the LCR soundstage, very seamless pans across the front.

The speakers are also quite attractive. Gloss piano black is nothing new but the towers and center have some graceful curves to them that I find just plain good looking. The size of the towers were perfect for my room. I'm not a super-high dB listener (open concept floor plans aren't perfect) but they get the job done with plenty of room to spare. For towers, their size is very WAFish and doesn't draw any unnecessary attention to themselves.

Aperion has been nothing but super helpful. I've been at the HT game with my dad since the 80s so I didn't have too many questions, but I can see where the uninitiated would find ya'lls eager guidance a real bonus.

It's too bad a total noob wouldn't realize just how good these speakers sound for the money though
post #5093 of 6860
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Originally Posted by chmccorkle View Post

It's too bad a total noob wouldn't realize just how good these speakers sound for the money though


No, I do.
post #5094 of 6860
That's too bad about not having a cherry finish option on the subs. Hopefully a new line in the works that will bring the finishes back?
post #5095 of 6860
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Originally Posted by chmccorkle View Post

I keep trying to sit down and give some initial impressions on my new speakers but something keeps coming up or I want to go back out to the living room and try another movie/ song.

Needless to say, I'm enjoying them. The Forte towers are a huge improvement over the Axiom M3s I had. Not to belittle Axiom, but I moved and my listening area grew dramatically.

I also upgraded my AVR from an Onkyo 605 to the 3008. I never hooked the Axioms up to the new AVR so I'm not sure how much the new receiver adds to equation.

I will say the new Audyssey XT32 did a bang up job calibrating everything.

I am using the Forte towers, Forte center, and the Forte satellites as surrounds. I kept my Parts Express 15" Titanic sub kit. My living room is 14 X 22 feet with a large opening (10 footish) right behind the couch. The main sitting area takes up maybe 2/3 of the space.

I had some musician friends over last weekend and put in that Chris Botti and Friends disc. They were really impressed with the huge soundstage and natural presentation of his trumpet.

The towers definitely have more bass than I was expecting. Audyssey actually crossed them over at 40 Hz. I moved the X-over back to 80Hz to let my sub handle that load. I've heard that Audyssey's filters are really detailed for the LFE channel so I'm letting it do it's thing with the low end calibration.

I have the towers right at a foot away from the wall, which is the most I can do based on our couch.

The house has hardwood throughout, plantation shutters on the windows, and is minimally furnished. The couch is a huge fabric sectional which helps tame some of the echoy-ness of the room.

The speakers aren't nearly as bright as the Axioms. That new tweeter setup is smooth. Great realistic sparkle on cymbals. Vocals seem to be where they really shine for me. Nice forward presentation, slightly warmish, which is how I like my speakers.

I sit approximately 9 feet from the center channel and it's been a huge improvement for dialogue. The timber matching is excellent across the LCR soundstage, very seamless pans across the front.

The speakers are also quite attractive. Gloss piano black is nothing new but the towers and center have some graceful curves to them that I find just plain good looking. The size of the towers were perfect for my room. I'm not a super-high dB listener (open concept floor plans aren't perfect) but they get the job done with plenty of room to spare. For towers, their size is very WAFish and doesn't draw any unnecessary attention to themselves.

Aperion has been nothing but super helpful. I've been at the HT game with my dad since the 80s so I didn't have too many questions, but I can see where the uninitiated would find ya'lls eager guidance a real bonus.

It's too bad a total noob wouldn't realize just how good these speakers sound for the money though

Awesome, great review, thanks for posting!

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Originally Posted by brian6751 View Post

That's too bad about not having a cherry finish option on the subs. Hopefully a new line in the works that will bring the finishes back?

It is too bad, but it was either raise the price of the subs or go to one finish, so we chose the latter.

I don't think we will see cherry subs return, but you never know.

A slight correction to my earlier post, while the 8A, 8D and 10D will be a matte black finish, the 12D will remain a gloss black finish.
post #5096 of 6860
Jason, when do you expect matte finish out & available? Do you have sample photos of what that looks like compared to the glossy? WAF issues here on sub so just curious. Tia

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Originally Posted by Hicks View Post


It is too bad, but it was either raise the price of the subs or go to one finish, so we chose the latter.

I don't think we will see cherry subs return, but you never know.

A slight correction to my earlier post, while the 8A, 8D and 10D will be a matte black finish, the 12D will remain a gloss black finish.
post #5097 of 6860
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Originally Posted by pearlbluevtx View Post

Jason, when do you expect matte finish out & available? Do you have sample photos of what that looks like compared to the glossy? WAF issues here on sub so just curious. Tia

Here you go, this is a prototype 8D that has gotten a little banged up, but it should give you a good idea.

post #5098 of 6860
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Originally Posted by Hicks View Post

Here you go, this is a prototype 8D that has gotten a little banged up, but it should give you a good idea.


sweet
post #5099 of 6860
Thanks. ETA on these coming out ...?? All sizes, right? (sorry, just re-read your post and you tell us about model finishes ...)
I like them.

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Originally Posted by Hicks View Post


Here you go, this is a prototype 8D that has gotten a little banged up, but it should give you a good idea.
post #5100 of 6860
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Originally Posted by Hicks View Post

Here you go, this is a prototype 8D that has gotten a little banged up, but it should give you a good idea.


Where is the remote receiver?

Cheers
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