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post #5131 of 6535
3/29/11 at 8:47pm
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That was a fun read. I think the author used to work at Aperion.

Nice call!
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post #5132 of 6535
4/3/11 at 7:55am
Anybody go from Klipsch RF-82 II's to Verus Grand? Happy with the change or not?
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post #5133 of 6535
4/3/11 at 5:20pm
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Anybody go from Klipsch RF-82 II's to Verus Grand? Happy with the change or not?

Well... I went from Klipsch Ref-7 series to Emotiva to Verus. Only have the VGC so far, waiting on the VGTs. Will give an impression once I get them. Of the centers I have had, starting with Klipsch KV-3, RC-35, RC-7 then Emotiva ERM-6.3 to the Verus VGC... I find the Aperion my favorite so far. Not just from sound... but it looks awesome as well. We do 95% Movie/TV viewing and the VGT has the best balance of sound and clarity of anything I have had. Vocal content come across very clear, not muddy at all.

Rayo
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post #5134 of 6535
4/4/11 at 7:29am
^^
I agree although I can't compare directly to Klipsch--I have owned Klipsch bookshelf speakers but that was awhile ago. I have the Verus towers and Center--the Center is massive to say the least and sounds great. As do the VGTs--the best speakers I have ever owned. I am in the process of moving my HT into a dedicated room since I have come to the realization that the current room--a totally open Florida Family Room is just too big--for both the audio and visual experience. The new room is much smaller and should hopefully provide the experience I'm looking for. I seriously doubt you can go wrong with any product in the Verus line.
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post #5135 of 6535
4/5/11 at 6:34am
Does anyone here have anything to say about the Bravus 8A Powered Subwoofer?

I am in the market for a smallish footprint, smallish sounding sub. It would go in a a pretty small room (12x14x8) with a pair of Wharfedale bookshelf speakers I already own. 100% music use and rarely very loud, I just want to round out the low end a bit.

Just looking to see if anyone had any impressions on these as I liked the other stuff I have from Aperion, and I really like the finish on the sub at this price point, but I have no experience with the sub line.
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post #5136 of 6535
4/5/11 at 7:58am
Not sure if I understand the rationale behind changing the finishes on the sub. At least in my case, the biggest reason to go w/ an aperion sub was to match the cherry finish on my 5t/5c/5b system. I think you're going to have a lot of customers buying systems start to look more closely at other subs to round out their aperion systems if they can't be had w/ a matching finish.

I'm sure it was cost driven but still as a customer the ability to match finishes, even as a higher cost option, is not something I'd want to give up.
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post #5137 of 6535
4/5/11 at 9:55am
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Originally Posted by Walt Dockery View Post
Not sure if I understand the rationale behind changing the finishes on the sub. At least in my case, the biggest reason to go w/ an aperion sub was to match the cherry finish on my 5t/5c/5b system. I think you're going to have a lot of customers buying systems start to look more closely at other subs to round out their aperion systems if they can't be had w/ a matching finish.

I'm sure it was cost driven but still as a customer the ability to match finishes, even as a higher cost option, is not something I'd want to give up.
Totally Agree. Even if it is a cost driven decision, offer the Cherry finish at a premium/special order price. To completely drop the option is a poor decision.

For most, our HT areas are a very social and visible part of our home. These are not the 2 channel listening dens (holes) from days of old. The way the speakers look and compliment the room is just as important as furniture choices, cable mgt., flooring etc.

If black is the only option, it causes me to consider many other competitors vs. its a no brainer if I know the performance is "close" but the Aperion sub perfectly matches my other speakers.
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post #5138 of 6535
4/5/11 at 10:04am
I would agree as well, even regarding the change from gloss black to the satin black. I am sure some will disagree, but for me a large portion of the value of Aperions entire line is the quality of the finish at the price point.

I have no doubt that the sound of the Verus line is superior to the Intimus, and I like the curved cabinets very much, but I was quite disappointed in the change to the matt black on the speaker face. It would be less of an issue to me if that area was completely covered by the speaker grill, but unfortunately it is not.

Regardless I do still like the product very much.
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post #5139 of 6535
4/5/11 at 11:58am
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Originally Posted by Walt Dockery View Post

Not sure if I understand the rationale behind changing the finishes on the sub. At least in my case, the biggest reason to go w/ an aperion sub was to match the cherry finish on my 5t/5c/5b system. I think you're going to have a lot of customers buying systems start to look more closely at other subs to round out their aperion systems if they can't be had w/ a matching finish.

I'm sure it was cost driven but still as a customer the ability to match finishes, even as a higher cost option, is not something I'd want to give up.

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Originally Posted by RayoVac329 View Post

Totally Agree. Even if it is a cost driven decision, offer the Cherry finish at a premium/special order price. To completely drop the option is a poor decision.

For most, our HT areas are a very social and visible part of our home. These are not the 2 channel listening dens (holes) from days of old. The way the speakers look and compliment the room is just as important as furniture choices, cable mgt., flooring etc.

If black is the only option, it causes me to consider many other competitors vs. its a no brainer if I know the performance is "close" but the Aperion sub perfectly matches my other speakers.

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Originally Posted by calincole View Post

I would agree as well, even regarding the change from gloss black to the satin black. I am sure some will disagree, but for me a large portion of the value of Aperions entire line is the quality of the finish at the price point.

I have no doubt that the sound of the Verus line is superior to the Intimus, and I like the curved cabinets very much, but I was quite disappointed in the change to the matt black on the speaker face. It would be less of an issue to me if that area was completely covered by the speaker grill, but unfortunately it is not.

Regardless I do still like the product very much.

Thanks for the feedback guys, I can't promise that anything will change, but I have forwarded your comments to our marketing and product development departments.
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post #5140 of 6535
4/5/11 at 5:43pm
Where did they say that they are changing finishes? I can't seem to find any info... Thanks!

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Originally Posted by Walt Dockery View Post

Not sure if I understand the rationale behind changing the finishes on the sub. At least in my case, the biggest reason to go w/ an aperion sub was to match the cherry finish on my 5t/5c/5b system. I think you're going to have a lot of customers buying systems start to look more closely at other subs to round out their aperion systems if they can't be had w/ a matching finish.

I'm sure it was cost driven but still as a customer the ability to match finishes, even as a higher cost option, is not something I'd want to give up.
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post #5141 of 6535
4/5/11 at 10:27pm
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Where did they say that they are changing finishes? I can't seem to find any info... Thanks!

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post20153940
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post #5142 of 6535
4/6/11 at 6:36pm
I was also disappointed to hear this. The matching finish is a huge reason to choose a Aperion sub over the others. I don't see them being as competitive in their respective price ranges without that option. At least with customers that check out these forums and get directed toward other ID companies such as Outlaw that offer the same flat black finish with more performance per dollar.

I also said the Bravus subs are the most underrated subs on these forums as far as the total package they offer, but the matching finish was a big part of that.

I hope their sub offerings begin to better reflect that of their other speakers very soon.
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post #5143 of 6535
4/6/11 at 7:06pm
This is the first time I have ever said anything negative about Aperion. This is the dumbest idea EVER. I had the luxury of buying all my speakers at once, including sub. Not everybody is in the same boat. Jason, you really need to press marketing on this one. You are the connection to what real, existing customers think. This decision will backfire on you bigtime. The finish of your speakers has always been a big +! Yes, sound is the most important thing to us guys...but for the gals?
Can you imagine this conversation:
Him: Honey, I am getting a sub.
Her: OK, but I want a new dishwasher.
Him: OK, whatever you want. By the way, it will not match the Cherry speakers because they don't have those anymore. It will be black.
Her: That ain't gonna happen. I can live with the old dishwasher anyway.
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post #5144 of 6535
4/6/11 at 9:36pm
^^^^

To add... its not like a sub is a small piece of furniture. They can be as big as a coffee table. Talking the wife into a big black cube... hmmm... probably gonna be a hard sell. A nice big Cherry end table looking cube. Quite a bit easier.

Listen to your customers!!!!
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post #5145 of 6535
4/7/11 at 3:00pm
Thanks again for all the comments.

I'm sure you can all appreciate when a decision like this is made it isn't exactly easy to reverse it immediately but we do take your suggestions seriously and I will absolutely forward each and every one of them to the appropriate parties.

I will just mention that our marketing department did do some market research and what they found was that a majority of folks wouldn't mind having a sub that doesn't necessarily match their speakers. A lot of people will be putting their sub near a corner or in some other spot in the room where it is not that noticeable.

Now I'm not saying that those surveys that we did are necessarily the gospel truth, but I think it's easy to forget that there is a huge chunk of the speaker buying public that doesn't participate in audio forums such as this.

But keep the feedback coming guys, more information on how we are doing (positive or negative) is always welcome and can only help us to serve our customers better.
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post #5146 of 6535
4/7/11 at 4:12pm
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Originally Posted by Hicks View Post

Thanks again for all the comments.

I'm sure you can all appreciate when a decision like this is made it isn't exactly easy to reverse it immediately but we do take your suggestions seriously and I will absolutely forward each and every one of them to the appropriate parties.

I will just mention that our marketing department did do some market research and what they found was that a majority of folks wouldn't mind having a sub that doesn't necessarily match their speakers. A lot of people will be putting their sub near a corner or in some other spot in the room where it is not that noticeable.

Now I'm not saying that those surveys that we did are necessarily the gospel truth, but I think it's easy to forget that there is a huge chunk of the speaker buying public that doesn't participate in audio forums such as this.

But keep the feedback coming guys, more information on how we are doing (positive or negative) is always welcome and can only help us to serve our customers better.

The honest truth though Jason is that if I didn't care about my sub matching my speakers, I probably wouldn't have a Aperion sub. I'll leave it at that. Thanks for listening.
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post #5147 of 6535
4/8/11 at 8:57am
How about some good news. We received a few more 6Ts in cherry and they are back up on the site. Get them while they last, once they are gone that is it, I mean it this time!
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post #5148 of 6535
4/8/11 at 10:03pm
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Originally Posted by Hicks View Post

How about some good news. We received a few more 6Ts in cherry and they are back up on the site. Get them while they last, once they are gone that is it, I mean it this time!

Any update on VGTs in Cherry?
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post #5149 of 6535
4/9/11 at 12:56pm
I recently purchased a new 3d tv and ever since I've been itching to upgrade other parts of my system. I was going to upgrade my yamaha htr-6180 (rx-v863) to a rx-a1000 but now I'm thinking that all I will really get out of that is the convenience of 3d passthrough. So now I'm thinking that upgrading my Energy Take Classic 5.1 system to to the Intimus 4T Hybrid SD system might be a much better use of my cash. So my question is with my current receiver do I have enough power to run the system. (105w per channel 735w total power) And do you feel this is a worthy step up from my Energy system. I might actually skip the sub and keep the Energy sub for now. At least till they get that cherry finished sub back

Thnx
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post #5150 of 6535
4/12/11 at 9:18am
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Does anyone here have anything to say about the Bravus 8A Powered Subwoofer?

I am in the market for a smallish footprint, smallish sounding sub. It would go in a a pretty small room (12x14x8) with a pair of Wharfedale bookshelf speakers I already own. 100% music use and rarely very loud, I just want to round out the low end a bit.

Just looking to see if anyone had any impressions on these as I liked the other stuff I have from Aperion, and I really like the finish on the sub at this price point, but I have no experience with the sub line.

Well to start I have to say for the footprint there aren't very many options in the 12" cube category. I used to have the 12D but needed to down size because I was tired of giving up so much room for a sub. It really limited placement for me. So I down sized to the 8D II. Even to this day I'm still impressed with how clean the sound is in my 14x15 room. Sure on paper it doesn't have the most powerful amp and it won't go down to 15hz but it's only a 8" driver. But in my opinion you don't need that much power. Most of the time in small subs more power means more distortion and flutter. I spent a good amount of time at Aperion listening to the 8D II with the VGT's, VFT's and VGB's all options sounded great. I currently only own one for my Music/HT set up with the VGT's,VGC and VGBs. And no matter if I'm watching a movie or listening to music it never disappoints. I plan to get a second one for my VFT's for a 2ch set up.

As for the finish debate because it's such a small sub I don't think it really matters. It can easily be placed in any room. I think more wives freak about a sub that is the size of small bus versus the color/finish. I mean I understand the debate in the sense of having options but for the size and price I think the 8D is a no brain-er. This is just my two cents.
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post #5151 of 6535
4/12/11 at 9:45am
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Well to start I have to say for the footprint there aren't very many options in the 12" cube category. I used to have the 12D but needed to down size because I was tired of giving up so much room for a sub. It really limited placement for me. So I down sized to the 8D II. Even to this day I'm still impressed with how clean the sound is in my 14x15 room. Sure on paper it doesn't have the most powerful amp and it won't go down to 15hz but it's only a 8" driver. But in my opinion you don't need that much power. Most of the time in small subs more power means more distortion and flutter. I spent a good amount of time at Aperion listening to the 8D II with the VGT's, VFT's and VGB's all options sounded great. I currently only own one for my Music/HT set up with the VGT's,VGC and VGBs. And no matter if I'm watching a movie or listening to music it never disappoints. I plan to get a second one for my VFT's for a 2ch set up.

As for the finish debate because it's such a small sub I don't think it really matters. It can easily be placed in any room. I think more wives freak about a sub that is the size of small bus versus the color/finish. I mean I understand the debate in the sense of having options but for the size and price I think the 8D is a no brain-er. This is just my two cents.

You went from the 12d to the 8d because of size? I dont feel there's really much of a difference in size between any of them. But that's all relevant I guess.

I agree, the 8d packs a wallop. It's a great little sub, but the 12d is on a different level.

Very underrated subs. Especially on these forums.
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post #5152 of 6535
4/12/11 at 12:17pm
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Originally Posted by RayoVac329 View Post

Any update on VGTs in Cherry?

If you ordered before 3/25 you are still good for the 4/26 shipment, thanks for your patience!

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Originally Posted by Nag250 View Post

I recently purchased a new 3d tv and ever since I've been itching to upgrade other parts of my system. I was going to upgrade my yamaha htr-6180 (rx-v863) to a rx-a1000 but now I'm thinking that all I will really get out of that is the convenience of 3d passthrough. So now I'm thinking that upgrading my Energy Take Classic 5.1 system to to the Intimus 4T Hybrid SD system might be a much better use of my cash. So my question is with my current receiver do I have enough power to run the system. (105w per channel 735w total power) And do you feel this is a worthy step up from my Energy system. I might actually skip the sub and keep the Energy sub for now. At least till they get that cherry finished sub back

Thnx

Hello there,

If you are in a small to medium room (up to around 15'X20' or so) the Yamaha 6180 should be enough power to drive the system reasonably well, and in my admittedly biased opinion the 4T Hybrid should be a pretty sizable step up from your Energy system, especially for music since it features towers.

I will say that I have heard from more than a couple customers that the lower and midline Yamahas tend to make our speakers sound a bit bright, so take that for what it's worth.

I hope that helps but please let me know if you have any other questions, thanks!
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post #5153 of 6535
4/12/11 at 2:54pm
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Hello there,

If you are in a small to medium room (up to around 15'X20' or so) the Yamaha 6180 should be enough power to drive the system reasonably well, and in my admittedly biased opinion the 4T Hybrid should be a pretty sizable step up from your Energy system, especially for music since it features towers.

I will say that I have heard from more than a couple customers that the lower and midline Yamahas tend to make our speakers sound a bit bright, so take that for what it's worth.

I hope that helps but please let me know if you have any other questions, thanks!


Thanks for your response. My listening area is about 15x20 but it opens up to a dining/kitchen area that is equal in size. I hope my receiver is midline at worst since it retailed for $1300 a couple years ago up here in Canada. ($1000 in the US, yes we get ripped off). I actually won't be listening to any music, I'm 100% home theater so hopefully I will get a noticeable bump in sound quality over what I have now. I am actually considering using the 5c center instead of the 4c so hopefully that will make the improvement in sound even more noticeable.
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post #5154 of 6535
4/12/11 at 4:26pm
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Thanks for your response. My listening area is about 15x20 but it opens up to a dining/kitchen area that is equal in size. I hope my receiver is midline at worst since it retailed for $1300 a couple years ago up here in Canada. ($1000 in the US, yes we get ripped off). I actually won't be listening to any music, I'm 100% home theater so hopefully I will get a noticeable bump in sound quality over what I have now. I am actually considering using the 5c center instead of the 4c so hopefully that will make the improvement in sound even more noticeable.

Yeah the 800 series Yamahas are what I would consider midline receivers.

I agree, if you can do the 5C then it will be that much more of a significant upgrade.
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post #5155 of 6535
4/12/11 at 4:45pm
How do the Aperion Verus Grand Towers compare with the Energy RC-70s?
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post #5156 of 6535
4/13/11 at 10:26pm
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I will just mention that our marketing department did do some market research and what they found was that a majority of folks wouldn't mind having a sub that doesn't necessarily match their speakers. A lot of people will be putting their sub near a corner or in some other spot in the room where it is not that noticeable.
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This kind of research is very sensitive to the way questions are asked. If you asked me whether it would matter whether the sub matches the speakers, I might answer no as well. However, if you asked the next question -- would it make a difference in my choosing an Aperion sub rather than an alternative, I would answer yes, without question. Moreover, it definitely would affect my decision to buy an Aperion system (as distinguished from some speakers and a sub from someone else.) I intend to augment my current 5C and finish out a system, but I my plans for the sub will change if I have to buy it in black. Then I would have to put it in a corner, and I almost certainly would pick something more appropriate for a corner location in my living room. I am just one customer, of course, but one at a time is how a company like yours makes its money, I suspect.

I can see the business decision you are facing, and there is certainly no reason for you to be expected to get it reversed on your own. However, passing the feedback you are getting from the forums back would seem like something of real value for Aperion.
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post #5157 of 6535
4/15/11 at 8:07am
I have Aperion 632 LR's as my fronts with a 5C center and an HSU STF-2 sub, all being driven by a Yamaha 3900. I'm looking to move back up to 5.1 so I'm looking for some inexpensive surrounds. I'd like to hear from any Aperion owners out there who use surrounds other than Aperion and any opinions on what to look at. Currently the Yamaha NS333 and BIC Venturi DV62 are of interest to me because of their reviews and price point.
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post #5158 of 6535
4/20/11 at 5:24pm
How do the verus grand towers compare to av123 elt525 towers? Does anyone have a first hand experience?
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post #5159 of 6535
4/21/11 at 5:55pm
Has anyone gone from the 4t to the 5t or the Verus forte? I'm stuck between the two. Are you happy? Do you regret not going another way?

I would like a bigger sounding speaker with more punch than the 4t gives me, but I really enjoy fine detail at lower listening levels.

I'm also concerned about the tweeter height. I like it a little higher than the 4t and the forte is even lower. The 5t would put it right where i like it. Does it make a difference?

I enjoy the sound quality of my 4t's but if the Forte is as big a improvement as the reviews portray, I
Am very interested in hearing the difference.
Thanks.
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post #5160 of 6535
4/22/11 at 10:14am
i was going to order the forte towers/center today, but the center channel is now back ordered until 6/17 i was hoping to have my ht up and running in a few weeks.
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