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post #5221 of 6573
5/23/11 at 7:45pm
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Originally Posted by RCase7 View Post

Yea, but I bought them used, they are at least three months old.

Now that is a very different story altogether.

Also coming from the M80s (that I believe have dual aluminum tweeters) and going to those Aperions with silk dome, its kind of weird that your getting fatigue at all.

I am sure you already checked but are you getting more output with the Aperions vs the Axioms. Perhaps the Aperions are more efficient and those emotivas are running them a little hotter than the Axioms.
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post #5222 of 6573
5/23/11 at 7:53pm
Are you suggesting that the UPA-1's could be the 'Fatiguing Factor', if so I could try powering them with the Denon receiver and see if that makes a difference; if I am interpreting your post correctly. Thanks for the responses.
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post #5223 of 6573
5/23/11 at 8:16pm
Not exactly, those UPA-1s put out a lot of power and if you haven't recalibrated your system when you put in those Aperions, they may be playing louder than your Axioms even while using your normal listening levels.

I would try recalibrating your system and then sit down for another session of listening and see if that helps. When I switched from my Onkyo 805 powering my T65s to my Rotel 2 channel, I definitely had to recalibrate.

I dont know if this is the problem, but since you spent all this money and already have such a nice set up, it doesnt hurt to try..
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post #5224 of 6573
5/23/11 at 8:20pm
Got ya, the output may be higher and hence fatiguing. I need to level match the new speakers with the old via a sound meter, then have another listening session. Thanks
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post #5225 of 6573
5/23/11 at 8:48pm
No problem buddy, good luck and happy listening!
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post #5226 of 6573
5/24/11 at 3:23am
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Originally Posted by RCase7 View Post

Yea, but I bought them used, they are at least three months old.

I responded on the Aperion site boards.
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post #5227 of 6573
5/24/11 at 9:22am
Thanks, I have flattened out the EQ on the Denon and toed in the speakers a bit, but I will not be able to listen until this evening. Hopefully these modifications will help.
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post #5228 of 6573
5/27/11 at 1:20pm
Hey all. First post.
I just brought home a set of VGTs last night. My office is down the street from Aperion, and I have been waiting like everyone else for the next shipment. Matt called me about a set of A-stock returns they just received, and was cool enough to hang out after work until I could show up to take them home.

$1528 into the back of my car. I believe they have 2 more sets...

I am a former recording engineer, with a ton of big album credits back in the day, so my concept of good/bad is perhaps a bit more specific than most. My tastes tend toward flat and precise, rather than pretty. I'm the guy obsessing over counting the number of early reflections on a kickdrum, or the ability to hear the studio gate closing on a buzzing guitar track, rather than how big the bottom end is and such (for whatever that is worth).

I set them up in my big live living room next to a pair of B&W CM9s and a set of PSB Synchrony 2s that I have been auditioning, plugged into my Marantz 7005. No Audyssey engaged.

First impressions: these are an absolutely amazing set of speakers. They are very, very flat, and have remarkable detail and imaging. Despite the increased range of the B&W tweeters, the Aperions are far more precise, and have spectacular imaging. Their ability to localize a transient to a point in space, rather than just to a region, is something I have not heard outside a studio control room, at least not to anywhere near this level of precision.

I put them up against my trusted Meyer HD1s (industry standard powered reference monitors), and found that they held their own.

Unlike virtually every audiophile speakers I have tried, I feel like I may actually be able to mix on these.

Bottom line, these are the best purchase I have made in years.
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post #5229 of 6573
5/27/11 at 1:30pm
^^
Nice review--I have similar--but far more inexperienced--impressions of my VGTs. I did listen to the CM9s but not next to the VGTs--and the time between listens was quite long--but in my mind--I liked the VGTs better. Thanks for detailing your impressions.
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post #5230 of 6573
5/27/11 at 1:31pm
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Originally Posted by waygorked View Post

Hey all. First post.
I just brought home a set of VGTs last night. My office is down the street from Aperion, and I have been waiting like everyone else for the next shipment. Matt called me about a set of A-stock returns they just received, and was cool enough to hang out after work until I could show up to take them home.

$1528 into the back of my car. I believe they have 2 more sets...

I am a former recording engineer, with a ton of big album credits back in the day, so my concept of good/bad is perhaps a bit more specific than most. My tastes tend toward flat and precise, rather than pretty. I'm the guy obsessing over counting the number of early reflections on a kickdrum, or the ability to hear the studio gate closing on a buzzing guitar track, rather than how big the bottom end is and such (for whatever that is worth).

I set them up in my big live living room next to a pair of B&W CM9s and a set of PSB Synchrony 2s that I have been auditioning, plugged into my Marantz 7005. No Audyssey engaged.

First impressions: these are an absolutely amazing set of speakers. They are very, very flat, and have remarkable detail and imaging. Despite the increased range of the B&W tweeters, the Aperions are far more precise, and have spectacular imaging. Their ability to localize a transient to a point in space, rather than just to a region, is something I have not heard outside a studio control room, at least not to anywhere near this level of precision.

I put them up against my trusted Meyer HD1s (industry standard powered reference monitors), and found that they held their own.

Unlike virtually every audiophile speakers I have tried, I feel like I may actually be able to mix on these.

Bottom line, these are the best purchase I have made in years.

Awesome, welcome and thanks for posting.

That is indeed pretty impressive that you feel that they are accurate enough to use as mixing reference speakers.

Enjoy!
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post #5231 of 6573
5/27/11 at 2:03pm
Jason,

Thank Matt again for me for hanging out after hours. That was very cool.

I should also point out that the VGTs absolutely smoked the CM9s. Not just to my ears. Despite the extended high end on the B&Ws, which usually increases the image precision, the VGTs were way more accurate. The B&Ws had far more cabinet resonances as well.

And not just to my ears. Both my wife and daughter thought that the B&Ws, and I quote, "sound like poo next to the big black ones."
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post #5232 of 6573
5/27/11 at 3:04pm
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Originally Posted by waygorked View Post

Jason,

Thank Matt again for me for hanging out after hours. That was very cool.

I should also point out that the VGTs absolutely smoked the CM9s. Not just to my ears. Despite the extended high end on the B&Ws, which usually increases the image precision, the VGTs were way more accurate. The B&Ws had far more cabinet resonances as well.

And not just to my ears. Both my wife and daughter thought that the B&Ws, and I quote, "sound like poo next to the big black ones."

Your wife and daughter have a way with words!

Yeah I already thanked Matt for hanging out, we are always happy to help if we can.

If you want to post a review to the VGT page on our site that would be most appreciated, we will even send you a free hat for your troubles, thanks!
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post #5233 of 6573
5/27/11 at 3:13pm
After all the great comments here (and pretty much all over the 'net), I placed my order for a Verus Grand set a few days ago...pairs of the VGT and VGB, but had to go with the Forte center channel because I just don't have enough room for the massive Grand CC right now. Unfortunately, most of that stuff is out of stock until late June, but I get the impression it will be worth the wait. The next four weeks can't pass quickly enough though...
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post #5234 of 6573
5/27/11 at 4:55pm
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Originally Posted by disarm78 View Post

After all the great comments here (and pretty much all over the 'net), I placed my order for a Verus Grand set a few days ago...pairs of the VGT and VGB, but had to go with the Forte center channel because I just don't have enough room for the massive Grand CC right now. Unfortunately, most of that stuff is out of stock until late June, but I get the impression it will be worth the wait. The next four weeks can't pass quickly enough though...

Cool, thanks for the order and your patience!
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post #5235 of 6573
5/28/11 at 2:01pm
Jason,

I don't wear hats. Howzabout a Bravus II 10D instead?

Cheers!!
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post #5236 of 6573
5/31/11 at 12:12pm
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Originally Posted by waygorked View Post

Jason,

I don't wear hats. Howzabout a Bravus II 10D instead?

Cheers!!


Some day I'll have an Oprah style talk show where EVERYONE GETS A BRAVUS II 10D.
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post #5237 of 6573
5/31/11 at 12:21pm
Out of curiosity... how well would the Verus Grand Bookshelves match up with the Intimus 6C?

I recently snagged a 6C off ebay for a really nice price, but the 5T (and 6T) are out of my price range.

The other Aperion speakers I'd be interested in are the 4T and VGB... but honestly the VGB interest me alot more than the 4T.


BTW, the 6C is a BIG center channel.
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post #5238 of 6573
6/1/11 at 9:54am
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Originally Posted by alphaiii View Post

Out of curiosity... how well would the Verus Grand Bookshelves match up with the Intimus 6C?

I recently snagged a 6C off ebay for a really nice price, but the 5T (and 6T) are out of my price range.

The other Aperion speakers I'd be interested in are the 4T and VGB... but honestly the VGB interest me alot more than the 4T.


BTW, the 6C is a BIG center channel.


The Verus and Intimus lines use different tweeters and woofers, so they are definitely not timbre matched.

I think they would integrate better than speakers of completely different brands, but my recommendation would still be to stay with all Intimus or all Verus for your front array.
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post #5239 of 6573
6/1/11 at 1:39pm
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Originally Posted by Hicks View Post

The Verus and Intimus lines use different tweeters and woofers, so they are definitely not timbre matched.

I think they would integrate better than speakers of completely different brands, but my recommendation would still be to stay with all Intimus or all Verus for your front array.

I assumed as much... but figured it was worth asking anyway.. Thanks.
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post #5240 of 6573
6/9/11 at 11:39pm
If anybody is interested in a set of almost mint black Forte towers send me a message.
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post #5241 of 6573
6/10/11 at 1:16am
IZETECI- I just placed an order for Grand towers, but they are on backorder. Did you not like the Fortes?
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post #5242 of 6573
6/10/11 at 8:16am
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Originally Posted by fcastle View Post

IZETECI- I just placed an order for Grand towers, but they are on backorder. Did you not like the Fortes?

Heh, Z has a pair of Verus Grand Towers too. . .
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post #5243 of 6573
6/10/11 at 11:02am
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Originally Posted by Hicks View Post

Heh, Z has a pair of Verus Grand Towers too. . .

I really like both speakers, I'm just downsizing my apartment and need to make room.
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post #5244 of 6573
6/10/11 at 1:56pm
i just ordered a grand center channel, cant wait to try it out. now i only need 4 more speakers.....
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post #5245 of 6573
6/15/11 at 2:21pm
Quick question:

Is an Onkyo HT-RC180 (110W of "marketing amps") enough for the Verus Forte Towers given their lower sensitivity or would I be leaving a considerable amount of performance on the table by not having a meaty discrete amp.
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post #5246 of 6573
6/15/11 at 4:34pm
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Originally Posted by Pelly_NV View Post

Quick question:

Is an Onkyo HT-RC180 (110W of "marketing amps") enough for the Verus Forte Towers given their lower sensitivity or would I be leaving a considerable amount of performance on the table by not having a meaty discrete amp.

Hello there,

Yes I think in a small to medium sized room, say one 15X20 or smaller that you would get fairly good results with that receiver and the Verus Forte Towers.
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post #5247 of 6573
6/15/11 at 6:24pm
Excellent, thx!
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post #5248 of 6573
6/16/11 at 9:57pm
If anybody is interested in a set of almost mint black Forte towers send me a message.
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post #5249 of 6573
6/19/11 at 10:14pm
J. Hicks,

Upgrading my front 532 L/R to the Verus Grand’s. I have the 533VAC as well and I'm also exploring the upgrade to the Verus Forte Center vs Grand center due to size constraints. I'm more of a music lover than movie (75/25) so I'm assuming the combo will still be a major step up. More on the fence regarding the center. I do listen to MC DVD-A, Flac, and SACD a bit, but mostly 2 ch stuff. Room size is temporary (moving in a year), but end result is to have a medium size man-cave. Will the Forte center have plenty to satisfy or would you recommend making do with the timbre mismatch and keep the 533VAC till I can find room for the grand center?

Also, I currently power my system with Outlaw 7125 amp...125 watts of solid power into 8 ohms X 7. Considering the grand's sensitivity, I'm hoping this should be plenty of muscle to bring out the best in the Grand Towers/center...think the 125 into 8 ohms is more like 165 into 6 ohms. I'd appreciate your thoughts.

BTW, source player is the Oppo 95 using pure analogue path. Anybody else out there with the grand tower/Oppo 95 combo?
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post #5250 of 6573
6/20/11 at 4:00pm
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Originally Posted by USAFChief View Post
J. Hicks,

Upgrading my front 532 L/R to the Verus Grand's. I have the 533VAC as well and I'm also exploring the upgrade to the Verus Forte Center vs Grand center due to size constraints. I'm more of a music lover than movie (75/25) so I'm assuming the combo will still be a major step up. More on the fence regarding the center. I do listen to MC DVD-A, Flac, and SACD a bit, but mostly 2 ch stuff. Room size is temporary (moving in a year), but end result is to have a medium size man-cave. Will the Forte center have plenty to satisfy or would you recommend making do with the timbre mismatch and keep the 533VAC till I can find room for the grand center?

Also, I currently power my system with Outlaw 7125 amp...125 watts of solid power into 8 ohms X 7. Considering the grand's sensitivity, I'm hoping this should be plenty of muscle to bring out the best in the Grand Towers/center...think the 125 into 8 ohms is more like 165 into 6 ohms. I'd appreciate your thoughts.

BTW, source player is the Oppo 95 using pure analogue path. Anybody else out there with the grand tower/Oppo 95 combo?
Hello there,

The amount of overall output between the 533-VAC and the Forte Center will be about the same and I even think in terms of dialogue clarity they will be pretty similar too. But the Forte will be a better timbre match with the Grand Towers and personally I think the Verus tweeter provides for a more natural/smoother high frequency response. So those would be the upgrades in my opinion. On the other hand I don't think the 533-VAC will sound horrible or even bad with the VGTs, so if the ultimate plan is to go to the VGC I might just wait so you can save money on paying shipping for a trade up outside the 30 day trial.

Yes 125 watts from the Outlaw should be plenty of power to drive them well, we are using a Marantz 8003 in our sound room which is only 15 watts/channel more and I've heard them with a Marantz SR7005 AVR at 120 watts/channel in a medium sized room and they still sounded nice and detailed.

We use an Oppo 83 here with the VGTs and have been really happy with it.

I hope that helps but please let me know if you have any other questions, thanks!
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