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Originally Posted by Hicks

There is a little bump in the frequency response around 200 Hz and Audyssey sees the down slope of that bump and thinks the speaker is going to continue to roll off from there, but it doesn't, it flattens out down to about 70 Hz or so.

Personally if it were me I would set the crossover at 80 and 200 and listen to it with both settings and see which you prefer.

Originally Posted by The_Lurker

So, big newb question here. I have been doing a bunch of research on different parts and pieces for a home theater system and I think I have finally decided on what I want to go for.

Based off reviews and being forced to sit and ponder (Hard to make an impulse buy when I'm stuck in Afghanistan) I'm really leaning toward the whole Verus Grand system. Seems like the sound quality from reviews and owners can't be beat for the price and it has a style that I'm sure my wife won't raise an eyebrow to.

The only real question I have at this point is would a Marantz SR6006 do justice to the system? I'm still trying to learn about home theater so figuring out if the power or impedance supplied by the Marantz is enough leaves me a little confused. From what I have read the speakers nominal impedance is 6 ohms and the Marantz is 8...is this fine?

Thanks for answering my rambling question.

Originally Posted by Tom Ames

I did some more reading in the Audyssey thread, and accidentally stumbled upon a post from someone whose crossovers on his mains (not Aperions) were being set higher than his specs indicated they should. He did some measurements (wish I understood more about them) and discovered that his listening position was in a null for one of his fronts. I wondered if this might also be my problem, so I moved my center as far back on my stand as possible. Lo and behold, Audyssey recommended a crossover of 120hz rather than 200hz.

I tested it at several other spots on the stand and always got 150-200hz from Audyssey. I wish I were able to push it a bit farther back or pull it out closer from where I originally had it, as I think I'd get a lower recommendation than 120hz from Audyssey if my space allowed me to do either. I'm convinced that my listening position is in a null for my room if the 5C is placed near the front of my stand. That may also explain the different readings Audyssey gave me on my 5T's after I moved them slightly. Interestingly enough, the polarity warning Audyssey repeatedly gave me for the 5C earlier was not given once after I began moving it around on the stand. Perhaps that was related to the null placement as well???

Anyhow, thanks for your feedback. I'll probably listen with the 5C crossed over at 120hz for a few days, then switch it to 80hz to see which I prefer. I just knew it shouldn't need to be crossed at 200hz, given the specs. Perhaps my experience will help someone else who runs into this issue.

Originally Posted by Hicks

Interesting, I would not have thought it would be so drastically affected by room effects since the software itself is supposed to be used for room correction.

In any event 120 Hz should be quite a bit better then 200 Hz and might be a good middle ground if you want to keep all of the Audyssey settings.

Originally Posted by Tom Ames

I agree. But from what I understand from what I've read (and I could well be wrong), Audyssey can't really do anything for nulls in the room as there simply isn't enough there to correct. Or maybe the correction would require far more than Audyssey is equipped to do.

The more I listen to it, the happier I am and the more surprised I am that moving the 5C ~1 ft farther away actually makes it sound noticeably louder (with the same master volume control setting) at my listening position. I doubt I'll even try lowering the crossover to 80hz unless I begin to notice that I can "locate the sub." And, BTW, I'm really enjoying the 5T's for 2-channel music--thanks again for suggesting them rather than the 4T's.

Thank you for all your help in this thread.

Originally Posted by Hicks

In a room like that you really have three options for the surrounds: stands, wall mount to the back wall or ceiling mount. Stands to the sides will give you the best sound, but can be kind of obtrusive. Wall mounting to the back wall should give you better sound than a ceiling mount since you can usually direct the sound toward your listening position a little better. If you do go with that option then I recommend wall mounting them just wider than your couch by a few inches on each side and at a height of four to five feet off the ground.

The placement of the sub now looks good, one thing you might check out is the channel level for it in your receiver, sometimes the auto set up will set it too low. If all the other channel levels are positive and it is in the negative I recommend boosting the sub channel level up to +3-+5 dB.

If that doesn't help you can move it closer to the corner at the left side of the front of the room. The corner walls will reinforce its output, but the danger is that the sub will become boomy and overload the room, so you may have to experiment with just how close to that corner you place it.

That does look a little close to the floor, if it were me I'd get some of those round floor protectors that are made to go under furniture and put the feet on them to keep the spikes from sinking into the carpet as much.

I hope that helps but let me know if either of you still have questions, thanks!

In a room like that you really have three options for the surrounds: stands, wall mount to the back wall or ceiling mount. Stands to the sides will give you the best sound, but can be kind of obtrusive. Wall mounting to the back wall should give you better sound than a ceiling mount since you can usually direct the sound toward your listening position a little better. If you do go with that option then I recommend wall mounting them just wider than your couch by a few inches on each side and at a height of four to five feet off the ground.

The placement of the sub now looks good, one thing you might check out is the channel level for it in your receiver, sometimes the auto set up will set it too low. If all the other channel levels are positive and it is in the negative I recommend boosting the sub channel level up to +3-+5 dB.

If that doesn't help you can move it closer to the corner at the left side of the front of the room. The corner walls will reinforce its output, but the danger is that the sub will become boomy and overload the room, so you may have to experiment with just how close to that corner you place it.

That does look a little close to the floor, if it were me I'd get some of those round floor protectors that are made to go under furniture and put the feet on them to keep the spikes from sinking into the carpet as much.

I hope that helps but let me know if either of you still have questions, thanks!

Originally Posted by bluemoon737

eliasmavs,

Not going to comment on your speaker placement as you have received a good suggestion, however, I would seriously consider getting that Onkyo off the carpet. Onkyo's tend to run hot without any help and blocking off the bottom airflow like the carpet is doing is asking for trouble. If you must leave it on the floor, at least put something solid under it for the feet to sit on so it has good airflow from underneath.

Good luck,
Jeff

Originally Posted by eliasmavs99

Jason,

Thanks for the reply. I still have an issue with the placement of the surround speakers since directly behind the couch is my walkway. I worry that if the speakers are placed at a height of 4-5 ft, people may run into them, mainly me on a late night trip to the fridge...

Can you mount them higher, say 6-7 ft, and angle them down a bit? Thanks for the help.

Originally Posted by eliasmavs99

Jeff,

Thanks for the heads up. That was just a temporary setup while I was waiting to get a new entertainment center. Here's how it turned out:

Before:


After:

Originally Posted by eliasmavs99

Jeff,

Thanks for the heads up. That was just a temporary setup while I was waiting to get a new entertainment center. Here's how it turned out:

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Originally Posted by entertainman

Hi,

I was wondering if anyone had recommendations on floor stands for my new pair of Zona speakers?

TIA.

Originally Posted by Tom Ames

What crossovers (for all speakers) were recommended when you ran Audyssey? What level did Audyssey read for your sub?

In any case, turn the crossover setting on the sub to the highest setting available.

Originally Posted by brandon_k_w

What are the recommended minimum and maximum distances the 5Ts should be placed apart from one another for music listening? Mine are 6' apart right now.

Originally Posted by USAFChief

I think they were referring to the Onkyo settings, not on the speaker/sub itself. 80 hz is usually a good ball park for Onkyo setting (you're right regarding the setting on the sub itself...highest setting to prevent bass drops).

Other tips...Might want to ensure the speaker is positioned well...tweeter height close to the same height as the mains/your ears. If it's above the display, make sure it's not back on a shelf and make sure it's pointed to listening position if possible. If new, give it a little burn-in time and ensure it's eating good food...i.e good source material .

Originally Posted by TheVillain9

Yes sorry I was referring to the Onkyo settings. I ran it again and the settings sound much better. The Onkyo crossover settings for sub (80hz), Verus Center(60hz), fronts (not aperion 60hz) and surrounds(not aperion 100hz). Is 60hz too low for the Aperion Verus?

Just for clarification does a lower crossover basically mean the speaker can handle lower frequencies, thus indicating its a large speaker?

Originally Posted by TheVillain9

Yes sorry I was referring to the Onkyo settings. I ran it again and the settings sound much better. The Onkyo crossover settings for sub (80hz), Verus Center(60hz), fronts (not aperion 60hz) and surrounds(not aperion 100hz). Is 60hz too low for the Aperion Verus?

Just for clarification does a lower crossover basically mean the speaker can handle lower frequencies, thus indicating its a large speaker?

Originally Posted by TheVillain9

Yes sorry I was referring to the Onkyo settings. I ran it again and the settings sound much better. The Onkyo crossover settings for sub (80hz), Verus Center(60hz), fronts (not aperion 60hz) and surrounds(not aperion 100hz). Is 60hz too low for the Aperion Verus?

Just for clarification does a lower crossover basically mean the speaker can handle lower frequencies, thus indicating its a large speaker?

Originally Posted by jaymalya

What kind of adjustments are needed for DynEq or DynVol? I have a Denon 3311 & I turned off both DynEQ & DynVol as it feels too much muddy bass