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Originally Posted by rcoyne

I cannot believe how good the Aperion VGT/VCT sounds with the SVS PB13Ultra. The cherry finish on the SVS is a bit different color wise, but if megathunderchief is still looking for a sub, can't say enough about the performance. I may try to gloss up the sub a bit to try to match the polish of the aperions if I get motivated. . .

Originally Posted by megathunderchief


This seems to be the prevailing sentiment I'm getting from people about the performance of the PB13- seems to be in a different class from the others. If I had my ideal room setup- basement, decent sized, dedicated rectangular room, there wouldn't be any question.

I've got a townhouse at the moment with an open floorplan on the ground floor, with a living room, dining room and kitchen sharing the same space. The PB13 looks pretty substantial, and I think the adjoining walls plus space restrictions may rule it out for the moment (but I am moving in about a year).

Therein lies the rub- just bought the 5.0 Aperion Verus Grand line and now I'm shopping for a sub. Do I go with an interim solution to fit the less than ideal floorplan I'm stuck with for the next year, or do I hold off and hope my next home can better accomodate my gear? I think I may already know the answer, because I can't bear to drop money on surround stands that eat up floorspace when I plan on wall-mounting eventually and complementing the rears to run 7.1/7.2

I hate waiting.

Originally Posted by Browninggold

I say get the PB13 Ultra now. Even if you are moving in a year you can always tone down the Bass of the Ultra. Use Dynamic volume or Dolby volume. Since I purchased my Ultra they have gone up 200.00

Originally Posted by Tom Ames

I did some more reading in the Audyssey thread, and accidentally stumbled upon a post from someone whose crossovers on his mains (not Aperions) were being set higher than his specs indicated they should. He did some measurements (wish I understood more about them) and discovered that his listening position was in a null for one of his fronts. I wondered if this might also be my problem, so I moved my center as far back on my stand as possible. Lo and behold, Audyssey recommended a crossover of 120hz rather than 200hz.

I tested it at several other spots on the stand and always got 150-200hz from Audyssey. I wish I were able to push it a bit farther back or pull it out closer from where I originally had it, as I think I'd get a lower recommendation than 120hz from Audyssey if my space allowed me to do either. I'm convinced that my listening position is in a null for my room if the 5C is placed near the front of my stand. That may also explain the different readings Audyssey gave me on my 5T's after I moved them slightly. Interestingly enough, the polarity warning Audyssey repeatedly gave me for the 5C earlier was not given once after I began moving it around on the stand. Perhaps that was related to the null placement as well???

Anyhow, thanks for your feedback. I'll probably listen with the 5C crossed over at 120hz for a few days, then switch it to 80hz to see which I prefer. I just knew it shouldn't need to be crossed at 200hz, given the specs. Perhaps my experience will help someone else who runs into this issue.

Originally Posted by lou99

Tom, if your Audissey runs are assuming that your 5C's are capable of 200hz then there's obviously a problem. Setting the speaker to 80hz does not fix the problem - it just masks it. This may be happening due to your environment/speaker location. I recommend playing with speaker placement until you get better results. I had similar issues, and when I raised the 5C to above my TV, Audissey set it to 80hz.

Originally Posted by lou99

Tom, if your Audissey runs are assuming that your 5C's are capable of 200hz then there's obviously a problem. Setting the speaker to 80hz does not fix the problem - it just masks it. This may be happening due to your environment/speaker location. I recommend playing with speaker placement until you get better results. I had similar issues, and when I raised the 5C to above my TV, Audissey set it to 80hz.

Originally Posted by scottiemon

You could run wire rails and paint them?!?

Originally Posted by megathunderchief

This seems to be the prevailing sentiment I'm getting from people about the performance of the PB13- seems to be in a different class from the others. If I had my ideal room setup- basement, decent sized, dedicated rectangular room, there wouldn't be any question.

I've got a townhouse at the moment with an open floorplan on the ground floor, with a living room, dining room and kitchen sharing the same space. The PB13 looks pretty substantial, and I think the adjoining walls plus space restrictions may rule it out for the moment (but I am moving in about a year).

Therein lies the rub- just bought the 5.0 Aperion Verus Grand line and now I'm shopping for a sub. Do I go with an interim solution to fit the less than ideal floorplan I'm stuck with for the next year, or do I hold off and hope my next home can better accomodate my gear? I think I may already know the answer, because I can't bear to drop money on surround stands that eat up floorspace when I plan on wall-mounting eventually and complementing the rears to run 7.1/7.2

I hate waiting.

Originally Posted by lou99

No problem. Good luck in your journey.

I absolutely love my setup.

Front: 6T/4B
Center: 5C
Surr: 4BP

Originally Posted by lou99

Hey Jason,

I'm not entirely convinced with the heightz. Its a subtle effect. Perhaps my speaker positioning is poor, or maybe its due to the first generation heightz capable receivers (Onkyo 607) and its limited options for tweaking that channel. I dont know if the pro's outweigh the con's of being limited to Dolby PLII Heights at all times.

couldn't hear any difference when we switched between Pro Logic IIz processing and standard Dolby Digital (which doesn't use the height speakers at all). Increasing the height speaker volume by three decibels didn't help, as we still couldn't hear the height speakers. At times it would seem like we were hearing sound from up above, but when we flipped back to standard Dolby Digital we heard the same effect from the traditional 5.1 set-up.

Our listening position was about 8 feet from the front speakers, so we stood up and moved much closer to the front speakers to hear the height speakers. Getting close confirmed that there was sound coming out of the speakers, but when we moved back to the couch the height speakers' sound faded away.

After contacting Dolby, we tried some recommended scenes, such as the rainy beginning of Ratatouille or the orchestral swells of Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, but we still didn't feel like the height channels were adding anything. Otherwise, both films sounded excellent, with tremendous detail resolution. After our listening session, our conclusion was that the extra two speakers would be better served in a traditional 7.1 arrangement, with surround back left/right speakers. The bottom line is we didn't feel that Dolby Pro Logic IIz processing added much to the value of the TX-SR607, and we wouldn't recommend people going through the hassle of setting up their home theatres in that arrangement.

Originally Posted by lou99

Hey Jason,

I'm not entirely convinced with the heightz. Its a subtle effect. Perhaps my speaker positioning is poor, or maybe its due to the first generation heightz capable receivers (Onkyo 607) and its limited options for tweaking that channel. I dont know if the pro's outweigh the con's of being limited to Dolby PLII Heights at all times.

That said, I had two co-workers over to demo the setup and they were giddy like little boys once "Fast Five" came on...

Originally Posted by Rysh

Joining the family
Placed an order over the weekend for the following in gloss black:
2 VGT
1 VFC (waf problems with size/location of the VGC)
2 VGB for surrounds
3800 cf room, so I wanted the towers. Going to be running a n Onkyo 270 until can get the wife to approve an XPA-3.
Looking forward to the tracking numbers in email later on

Originally Posted by lou99

Hey Jason,

I'm not entirely convinced with the heightz. Its a subtle effect. Perhaps my speaker positioning is poor, or maybe its due to the first generation heightz capable receivers (Onkyo 607) and its limited options for tweaking that channel. I dont know if the pro's outweigh the con's of being limited to Dolby PLII Heights at all times.

I researched a bit and found that I wasnt the only one unimpressed with the height channels


CNETS review of the Onkyo 607.

Originally Posted by zoetmb

Received my Versus Grand Center over the weekend. I was very suspect and half expected to be disappointed, but I have to admit that it sounds pretty good. It also surprisingly works very well with my fronts, which are old DCM Time Windows. So I guess I'm keeping it.

Now I have to decide whether to go for the towers and move the DCM Time Windows to the rear or whether to keep the DCMs in the front and go for the bookshelves for the rear (the dipoles would work aesthetically in my living room) which would cost one-third of the price of buying the towers.

Originally Posted by dynaudio

You might try not angling them down. That should increase the height effect. You also might try turning them upside down (tweeter on the bottom). Actually both would be better.

Cheers

Originally Posted by darksilkx

My SB13 arrived yesterday. I must not be used to large subwoofers because when I saw the box for that thing walk through my front door I almost had a stroke. Its almost as big as the box my Panasonic 65VT30 came in. I guess I exaggerate a little, it is huge and really heavy. If size is an issue for you, I want to hear your reaction is you go ahead with the PB13. The sub sounds great by the way. Watched some Master and Commander and Die Hard 4 or 5 and was very impressed.

Originally Posted by lou99

dyn - they are angled as down as they can go in the picture posted. Its' ok, overall I'm still happy with the setup.

Originally Posted by lou99

Makes sense. They are angled down because I lost the hex screw on one of them. Ack. Should I point at an area above the listening position? Thanks so much.

Originally Posted by bdahern

Just got my full setup this week - VGT, VGC, VGBs (convinced the wife the January $300 discount was too good to pass up). Have them hooked to a Denon 2112ci and my sub is an eD A3-250. Family room is pretty small, but I wanted to go big in the event we upgrade the house in the next couple years. Majority will be for HT - can't wait to play with it all this weekend!